PAK DA - Russian Fifth Generation Stealth Bomber

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  1. A.V.

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    The Kazan aircraft maker will start manufacturing a new strategic bomber, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

    Russia's Kazan aircraft plant to build next generation bomber | Defense | RIA Novosti

    its not surprising that putin comes up with this statement with a week of the announcement by Strategic command by india

    if not russia which other country can india look to get the bombers from this is a good option for future

    also in the pipeline is MI-38 new production
     
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  3. EagleOne

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    is it pak DA or something else
     
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    Its not PAKDA project its a new project details are on the blueprint and need time to develop funds for this wont be a problem as its verified and cleared for development as also MTA so expect to see a lot in the coming decade from russia
     
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    It would be either something like the Tu-160 series or Su-35 series.
     
  6. EagleOne

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    next gen bomber some thing to look at ....
     
  7. Rahul92

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    obviously it will take a lot of time it may be even a decade i doesn't even have fund for a Future main battle tank how can u expect it for a modern strategic bomber however the financial position will change due to the billions worth of oil for which i have posted an exclusive http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/world-affairs-politics/14560.htm
     
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    Any news if it will have stealth feature like B52 or not?
     
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    It is always better to depend on a bomber than a CM. My 2 paisa is on the Bomber to deliver the lethal blow.
    India should participate in the programs like this instead of converting a fighter into bomb truck
     
  10. Yusuf

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    B-2 you mean. B-52 is not stealth. Its a 1950s plane.
     
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    What about PAK-da, is it still on or just in paper.
     
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    THAT will be great if we get a license production btw what's the status of HAL medium lift chopper
     
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    Since he said it is next generation, I am willing to bet that it will be a stealth bomber. But I don't understand why does he have to consider making newer bombers if cruise missiles and other types of Quasi-Cruise-Ballistic missiles can do the job?

    Even though it is an interesting development I don't think IAF should consider this. A stealth bomber is invisible to the enemy radar but is vulnerable with a couple of pilots inside it. Rather than this, if the fast track and mass produce Shaurya with a decent IRBM type range coupled with mobile launchers stationed all around the China and Pakistan border similar to Agni-V's intended deployment plan, I think these bombers won't be needed.

    PLAAF has an active fleet of upgraded Tu-16 long range bombers that it continues to produce with latest avionics and weapon controls. However, as a conventional bomber, it requires a fighter escort to soften up AAAs before it can commence bomb-drop. We don't need to counter this with our own bomber fleet. Instead use Chinese philosophy against them; invest in supersonic Quasi-missiles, and longer range versions of AKASH or other indigenous SAMs that can strike beyond 300 Km, all this to be stationed in Arunachal, Sikkim. Himachal, Uttarakhand, Ladakh, and even inside Bhutan after asking Bhutanese government's permission (I am sure they won't object).

    The reason for me countering a bomber squadron is because the Chinese satellite system isn't as elaborate as the US GPS or the Russian GLONASS and it will take sometime before they can get the entire globe under their military eyes from the space. We need to start producing longer range SAMs and station them in the above-mentioned places before they get all their satellites in sync. Once they are active in our states and Bhutan (Nepal may not agree), even a complete satellite coverage won't help PLAAF much as our entire border would be armed to teeth with cheap yet cutting-edge tech (courtesy economies of scale) long range (300 Km+) SAM batteries which even the thousands of PLAAF fighters and bombers won't find it easy to cross.

    Bombers in forward bases would be sitting ducks if there is a PLAAF air raid on our air fields and we have already seen this in the war with Pakistan when PAF improperly applied an otherwise very smart Israeli strategy to disable our air power. Hence more than bombers, we must focus on Multimode (Cruise-cum-ballistic a.k.a Shaurya type) missiles for hitting ground military targets in Occupied Tibet and long range SAMs for striking PLAAF bombers, all these with cutting edge navigating and seeking technologies.
     
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    Mind you all, we have an abysmally low inventory of missiles of different types when we compare it to Chinese. Better focus on missiles rather than bombers.
     
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    Russia's Kazan aircraft plant to build next generation bomber
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    Russia's Kazan aircraft plant to build next generation bomber | Defense | RIA Novosti
     
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    PAK-DA not for us : IAF Official

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    Denying rumors a serving Indian air force official have told idrw.org that , “IAF never ever considered nor did Russians ever presented any proposal on it ” has quoted by a serving IAF official when asked on rumors of India’s interest in PAK-DA development or purchase .

    PAK DA (or PAK-DA), is a next generation strategic bomber which is being developed by Russia. It stands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Dalney Aviatsyi which means Future Air Complex for Strategic Air Forces. The PAK DA is going to be heavily based on Russia’s current supersonic bomber Tupolev Tu-160 and is expected to have it’s maiden flight by 2015. and enter service by 2020-25 time frame .

    Currently, the Russian air force has Tu-95 and Tu-160 strategic bombers, as well as long range Tu-22 bombers. Indian Navy is past was interested in renting four Tu-22M bombers , but officially no explanation was given byIndian Navy on backing out, but sources close to idrw.org have told us that high maintenance cost and further expenditure on up-gradation of this aircraft’s which had to be borne by India and it is been also told that Tu-22M on offer where not in best of shape in terms of maintenance and airframe life where possible reason why Indian Navy turned away from this aircraft’s.

    Rumors of Indian interest or Russian proposal of PAK-DA sparked of lately when India’s Strategic Nuclear Command requested to have its own separate fighter bombers for nuclear platform , Russian offer or PAK-DA purchase seems to be pure media speculation and doesn’t hold ground . but demand of SNC for immediate purchase of new aircraft’s for this jobs is still under review by Goverment of India .





    http://idrw.org/?p=705
     
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    New Russian strategic bomber expected in 15-20 years

    New Russian strategic bomber expected in 15-20 years

    Russia Today | Published: 23 December, 2009, 11:20

    A new strategic bomber for Russia’s long-range aviation is scheduled to be ready for deployment by 2025-2030, the military branch’s head said.

    The bomber will use stealth technology extensively to reach the minimal radar cross-section for an aircraft of its class, told journalists Major General Anatoly Zhikharev.

    The vehicle, developed by the Tupolev design bureau, will have both nuclear and precision weapons capabilities, and systems for air defense suppression. It will also be able to use a wide range of airfields for take-off and landing, including those with unpaved runways.

    The new aircraft is intended as a replacement for strategic bomber models currently in service in the Russian Air Forces, like the Tu-160, Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3.

    Maksim Pyadushkin, editor in chief of aviation magazine Russia and CIS Observer, says that, since the current Russian military bombers are very old, there is an obvious need for new weaponry.

    “We don’t know much about this future bomber at the moment, because, as far as I understand, the development is in its initial stage," Pyadushkin told RT. "It looks like Russian militaries are just defining their requirements for the new aircraft. So, we don’t know how it will look like. It will certainly be supersonic, will certainly have stealth technology and will carry high-precision weapons.”

    Source: New Russian strategic bomber expected in 15-20 years — RT

    Go to link above for video.
     
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    4 AL-41s to power PAKDA

    Бомбардировщик 5-го поколения оснастят двигателями от Т-50 - Известия

    This confirms that Sukhoi has bagged PAKDA bomber program with Tupolev's backing.
     
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    Takeoff weight of 125 tonnes for a heavy bomber is too low IMO.

    It should be more than 200 tonnes.
     
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    125 tons take-off weight is a necessary constraint to maintain w/t ratio of 0.5 along with cruising speed of ~2000Km/hr at sustainable range of 14 thousand Kms imo.
     
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