Pak Army wants to give peace with India a chance

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  1. utubekhiladi

    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    New Delhi: The Pakistan military is on the same page as that of the civilian democratic government as Islamabad seeks to redress its relations with India, Lt Gen. Talat Masood, the retired three-star general who was in charge of the country's Missile Integration Programme, told IBNLive in an exclusive interview early this week. While acknowledging that the Hafiz Saeed issue was a major stumbling block, he said Pakistan was hopeful that economic opportunities will far outweigh individuals who seek to compromise the chance of peace between the two neighbours.

    "There is no doubt that the armed forces of Pakistan has long been dictating foreign policy, especially when it came to the US, India and Afghanistan. But of late, there has been a shift in the military thinking process that the civilian leadership should own responsibility for conducting the foreign policy. That effectively means that the military does not want to have a veto on the civilian leadership's decision," said Lt Gen. Masood.

    "After fighting four wars, I think both Pakistan and India have realised that there is not going to be a military solution to the thorny issues of Kashmir, Siachen, Sir Creek and terrorism. That is why you are seeing this focus on building up trade and economic rapport," he said, while adding that "It is hoped that increased trade and economic partnership with India will lead to creation of more jobs which will wean the young, employable people away from terrorism."

    The expression for interest in the track change in India-Pakistan relations comes in the wake of a realisation in Pakistan that stability in Afghanistan is a must for peace to return to the tribal areas of northern Pakistan. And for that, it is imperative that India and Pakistan see eye to eye. The Pakistan establishment, long used to propping up jehadi fighters but now at the receiving end of their bullets, has started seeing the lack of economic activity and the availability of unemployed, radicalised youth as the main lifelines of terror groups.

    However, there would be scepticism on part of India where the government and security analysts see Pakistan as a part of the problem and not a solution. "The terrorism in Pakistan does not emanate from Afghanistan. However, the perpetrators of terrorism in Afghanistan, including those involved in the last few attacks, invariably come from across the border in Pakistan where they have training facilities and shelters," a top Indian security official, who refused to be identified but has considerable experience in the region, told IBNLive. He, nonetheless, said that walking the trade path was not necessarily a bad thing.

    Stability in Afghanistan is dependent on setting the house in order in Pakistan's FATA areas, the Indian establishment contends and Kabul concurs. Even if the Indian contention is right, it makes sense for New Delhi to push for greater economic engagement as it would only better the situation and may lead to a relationship of trust when more thorny and generic issues could be put on the talks table.

    Also, faced with utter lack of investment and a slow-growing economy, Pakistan stands to gain more from greater economic engagement with India than its larger neighbour. Once it realises the benefits of better ties with India, it may be more malleable on the crucial issues.

    Trade won't solve the basic issues of conflict like Kashmir, Siachen, Sir Creek, etc. But economic engagement, cultural ties and people-to-people contacts may create the bedrock of long-lasting peace.

    'Pak Army wants to give peace with India a chance' - Pakistan News - IBNLive
     
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    Utter BS, this is a sign that they want time for next war, mean while terrorism will continue. We should not fall for this trap.
     
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    Hafeez Saeed alone is not the stumbling block. Basically no peace with Pakistan till its in pieces. We cannot take the risk of dealing with them and give peace a chance and end up bleeding ourselves.
     
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    PA has cried 'wolf' so many times, it just makes it harder for us to trust them. They need to start with dismantling terrorist camps in POK, execution of all those involved in Mumbai attacks. They need to walk the talk, before anyone can trust them.
     
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    They want a breather to regroup and be ready to enter Afghanistan once the ISAF starts winding up!
     
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    they don't have the economic muscle to fight wars period. it's sign of weakness. after adventuring kargil etc, they know militarily they can't do anything.
     
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    Pak Army wants to give peace with India a chance

    NO CHANCE:namaste::namaste:



    No $$$$$ from ameerica, economy thing of past, 140 gazi gone in 60 seconds in burfani toda. karachi burning,

    lagta ha kayani ko nani yaad agayi
     
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    Yes, they are re-grouping. Right now, PA's most important asset is Hafiz. Once ISAF leaves, there would be 2 areas of work - one is Afghanistan where Haqqanis would strike at will with the blessings of PA, the other target is India where LeT would be used.

    Cultural & economic ties are just a hogwash, for another Kargil is in the making.
     
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    hey buddy, uncle sam is not giving free billions anymore like he used to give since last 10 years :sad: they are running short on cash. there nuke program alone cost them around 2.5 billions.. and they have only 5 billion for defense budget. things like saichen cause them 300 million merely to maintain their presence.. plus, they are day dreaming of N.sub with SLBM's, stealth frigates, stealth fighters, modern missiles that can match agni 5, BMD, modern chinese made tanks and fighters... you see, they have laundry list of things to do.. from where are they going to get such money?

    bhai, paisa kaha se aayega

    so now they are looking for ways to retreat by wearing rabbits foot.
     
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    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    very funny, :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
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    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    hey, blackwater, i have posted some videos in jokes thread.. check it out and i am sure you will like it..

    the icecream eating video is epic.. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
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    If the present GOI makes any move to wards peace with thugs than I call upon every voter throw them out for the next 50 years and bring in a Government which makes her priority to take back the entire land of Kashmir by force if we have to.
     
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    Had written this on my blog.

    There can be no peace with Pakistan


    There has been a lot of noise coming from Pakistan calling for peace with India. Siachen avalanche that killed over 130 Pakistani soldiers added to the calls both from the intelligentsia and some sections of the Pak establishment. The latter seems to be trying to raise an emotional pitch and trying to call on and play with emotions to solve an issue it knows it has no chance of winning in battle.

    Indian polity and security planners would do well to not get carried away at all by all this. History is proof enough that calls for peace has always been followed by an adventure from Pakistan.

    The Simla agreement was signed in 1972 after the decisive Indian victory in December 1971 war that liberated Bangladesh. India was magnanimous ( I’d call it stupid and a strategic blunder) to give back Pakistan it’s lost territory as well as 91,000 PoWs. Soon enough Pakistan tried to put a spin on the Simla agreement as far as the Siachen Glacier with the wording of “thence north” after Point NJ 9842 and used its friendly relations with the west to start cartographic missions that kept pushing the Pakistani claims towards east well into actually held Indian positions. India was forced to reply with Operation Meghdoot in 1984 and start manning what became the highest battlefield in the world.

    In 1998, there were talks of peace again and the then PM undertook a bus ride to Pakistan. The result of this effort was a war in Kargjl which cost India over 500 brave soldiers.

    The July 2001 Musharraf visit to India was followed with the Parliament attack and the terror attack on Akshardham temple in the following year. It was India’s fault in trusting the very General who thrust the Kargil war on India.

    Since 2004, Musharraf tried to talk his way into a solution on Kashmir. Thankfully somewhere any resolution that was contrary to Indian strategic interests was scuttled. The result was the ghastly 26/11 attacks in Mumbai in 2008 which completely exposed the Pak Army and ISI role along with the terrorists it has harbored and trained for decades.

    Pakistan has been in a tight spot over the last couple of years. It’s duplicity in the war on terror has been exposed and it’s source of revenue over the last decade, over $10 billion of US aid and transit charges which sustained its armed forces has been drying up. The US drone strikes which is contentious and demanded to be stopped by Pakistan continue with impunity. It led to the breakdown in the recent US Pak talks on resuming NATO supplies.

    President Obama has just visited Afghanistan and signed a long term agreement with the Afghans. Pakistan was banking on the withdrawal of US forces so that it could quickly step in the fill in the vacuum and establish its long cherished strategic depth against India. This is not likely to happen in the foreseeable future though their will be some withdrawal of US forces. The Afghans are not well disposed towards the Pakistanis. India has already invested a lot in developing infrastructure and gained a lot of goodwill among Afghans. India also is helping in training the Afghan army.

    All this has meant that a lot of plans of Pakistan have gone haywire. This is the reason why all the clamor for peace. There seems to be no real intention or will from the Pakistani side to resolve any issue. Even post Siachen Avalanche, the call had been for withdrawal of forces to pre 1984 lines. Ridiculous call. It seems more like a case of them buying time to rebuild and regroup against India. They hope for some kind of a foot hold in Afghanistan. That is why the steadfast support to the Haqqani Network and the spate of terror attacks in Afghanistan which points to Pakistan and ISI as its perpetrators through the Haqqani Network. Just today news has come in of Pakistan killing all those Afghans who wanted to enter into peace talks with the Afghan government.

    India should not get sucked into this calls for peace even if there is any international pressure to do so. It will only give Pakistan the space it is looking for. India could well face another war or a ghastly terror attack as it has been seen historically. Pakistan does not deserve India’s trust.

    http://sarvatravijay.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/there-can-be-no-peace-with-pakistan/
     
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    He that would live in peace and at ease must not speak all he knows or all he sees.
    Benjamin Franklin
     
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    No way we should fall to this lair's they will stab us when we least expect them as usual.

    It's time we conduct a joint battle drill [ IA,IAF,IN-commando ] near puki border to send the message that we don't listen to your :bs: anymore. Just because they lost US $$$ and soon turning into time bomb by radical mullah's we cant help them.

    Seriously imagine the face of kyani if we conduct a major war drill :rotflmao: it's worth billions lol
     
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    Yea their terrorist factories are not able to produce efficiently because they are under scanner .So sell some peace BS and take the heat off for the time being so as to rehaul their terrorist factories and even possible upgrade them and dish out new upgraded jihadist on the world ,hmm... sounds a good plan but sell that to someone else not India .Thanks for the offer though but NO thanks
     
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    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    I cant beleive we are still obsessed with the Pukes.:cool2:
     
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    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

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    No money...economy going down the drain...not abe to keep up the arms race .insurgencies, bomb blasts everywhere, americans openly dissing them, chinese ignoring them when they plead for aid, even weather is being rude to them --- YEAH give peace a chance, my foot.
     

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