Pak army repeats Kargil in Keran

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  1. happy

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    Captured 3 Indian posts in Keran sector last month
    No infiltration but war with ‘enemy’ troops
    Indian army launched small scale war, used helicopter gunships
    Occupied posts retrieved after days of intense fight


    Srinagar, Oct 1: On September 23 when army claimed that they foiled major infiltration bids on Line of Control in Keran sector in border district of Kupwara, the troops were actually engaged in a ‘small scale war’ with Pakistan army, which had reportedly captured three sensitive posts of India at Lasdutt forests along the LoC.

    The posts were allegedly captured by Pakistan army owing to negligence of army’s 3/3 GR unit negligence.

    “Three posts which are one kilometer close to no man’s land in Keran sector under jurisdiction of police station Trehgam at Lasdutt forest near Jumgand, Shalbathe were negligently vacated by Indian army a week or so earlier. Owing to dense forests and typical topography, the posts remained unmonitored all these days, and Pakistani soldiers occupied them,” the report submitted by one intelligence agency reveals.

    The inputs and reports submitted by various security agencies suggest that on intervening night of September 22/23, army men noticed suspicious movement of around 20-30 men in posts around Lasdutt forests and sounded alert within the grid.

    While all security and intelligence agencies are bound to share inputs and ideas regarding counter intelligence operations in Valley, highly placed sources said prior to launching an operation to recapture the lost posts, army issued strict directions to its officials and other concerned agencies to suspend their communication with all Non Civilian Authorities (NCA) in the Valley to avoid criticism and embarrassment.

    However, anticipating that combat operation could prolong and spread in other areas, army tried to present it as anti-infiltration operation. It claimed to have killed a dreaded militant in neighboring Machil sector on the intervening night of September 22/23. The deceased later turned out to be 70-years-old man. “Army’s intention was to keep ground open for fight in other neighboring sectors to give an impression that troops were combating infiltrating militants without letting media know the reality,” sources said.

    After handing over body of ‘dreaded militant’ (70-year-old man) to Police Station Kupwara, Army lodged an FIR No 237 under Section 507 on September 25 and claimed that the militant was killed and an army man injured in the firefight in Machil sector. However, police grew suspicious and refused to accept the body. It was only after the insistence of Army officials that police accepted the body.
    Subsequently, army lodged a second FIR under section 241 on September 29 in Police Station Kupwara. This time army claimed to have recovered huge cache of arms and ammunition from the encounter spot, where 70-year-old militant was killed.

    Rising Kashmir had on September 27 reported that a dreaded infiltrating militant killed by army in Machil sector had turned out to be 70-years-old man.

    Sources said Army’s 268 Mountain Brigade launched an all out operation to reclaim the captured posts from Pakistan army. Army also mobilized troops from other areas to assist Mountain brigade in reclaiming the lost posts.

    The 268 mountain Brigade, which was leading the ground battle, had on September 25 lodged an FIR in Police station Trehgam under Section 241 stating that a search operation was launched after detecting suspected movement of militants.

    “In the first assault, army men had to retreat after Pakistani troops fired heavily on them. The dense forests also proved advantageous to Pakistani soldiers as it provided adequate cover to them. Army called in para-troops and helicopter gunships to retrieve the lost posts,” sources said.

    They said after aggressive response by Pakistani soldiers numbering around 30, additional troops were rushed in and helicopter gunship made repeated attempts to push them back. “The ‘evacuation mission’ by paratroops also failed to serve the purpose due to which army launched massive ground assault to reclaim their lost positions”.

    The helicopter gunships, according to sources, were flying only between Kupwara and Panzgam helipads for the purpose of surveillance and maintain psychological pressure on Pakistan army, which relentlessly aimed to target the choppers.

    “The Pakistan army didn’t allow choppers to reach near the posts captured by them and targetted them repeatedly with heavy weapons. Later, army didn’t use choppers fearing that any crash would bring the issue into limelight and bring facts before media,” sources said.

    They said after two days of continuous fierce gun battle, army eventually retrieved their posts from Pakistan army and concluded the operation.

    “Army has claimed that they have killed 12 to 15 militants after foiling major infiltration bids in Keran sector on intervening night of September 24/25. However, not a single body was found on Line of Control or in no man’s land. We believe the gunfight was not meant to flush out infiltrating militants but was aimed at retrieving posts of 3/3 GR captured by Pakistan army,” one of the intelligence agency has reported.

    Sources said army played a very clever and mature role to avoid any leakage to the media regarding the gunfight with Pakistan army men in Kupwara forest, which could have exposed its negligence.

    “As the confrontation was on large scale in the strategically sensitive area, the news story of trapping 30 militants by army while foiling infiltration attempt in Keran sector was deliberately leaked to a particular news agency to avoid media attention from reality,” they said.

    Rising Kashmir has got an access to sensitive inputs and reports submitted by various security and intelligence agencies, which suggest that not a single evidence is favouring army’s claim of killing fifteen militants by foiling infiltration attempts in Keran sector.
    Army officials gave media bytes to news channels separately to divert focus from the main issue and keep mediamen engaged about foiling of “infiltration attempts” and gunfight with militants.

    GoC of Srinagar-based 15 Corps Lt Gen Gurmeet Singh addressed media persons recently and informed them that a major infiltration was foiled in Keran sector. “A group of 30 militants has been trapped and about 12-15 infiltrating militants were killed,” he had said.

    India and Pakistani troops fought Kargil war in 1999 after Pakistani soldiers and militants had occupied heights and posts in Kargil in May. Later, Pakistani forces withdrew from the heights after international pressure.

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    Exclusive: While PM talked peace, Pak grabbed ghost village on LoC | Firstpost
     
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    Either Pak troops are well aware of when our troop rotations are scheduled are there is a traitor within ourselves who is giving out this info. How else could they so carefully target our troops and posts exactly when new soldiers are taking charge???
     
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    surely traitors are infiltrated but if we specify we become communal
     
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    Such a large scale operation which was directed against regulars soldiers of Pakistan and (not against some rag tag tangos) and the objective was fulfilled with out casualties on our side goes a long way in demonstrating the professionalism of our Army.

    Also makes me think it was a trap to lure them into it and revenge for the Aug attack on our soldiers.
     
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    Few days ago, some strange news appeared in Media. It said that terrorists have occupied some of the Indian army posts.
     
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    WTF...?? an Entire Village inside India was occupied and in this day of 24/7 news channels nobody know what was going on..? When I read the reports of heligunships being deployed for counter terrorism activities last week felt something was not correct. No matter how big the contingent of islamic militants the Garud special forces deployed by Dhruv helicopters and monitored by drones must be more than sufficient ..there was something fishy. Now slowly things are coming out in the open.
    Was this delibrate miscommunication by the govt of India inorder to prevent the break down of talks in NY??
     
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    Yes now, couple of news sources ( including one by Mr. P. Swami) are reporting that they were no militants but Pakistani army regulars.
    They maintain that the whole thing is murky because IA failed to recover bodies of their adversary.
    And also to the fact that rather than retreating into POK when confronted the militant stayed and did hold ground which is very uncharacteristic of them.
    Also, to infiltrate in such a large group is also not very common.
     
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    terrorists and pakis hand in hand with some traitors........in posts of IA ? some major plot maybe brewing against india. Nuke pakis firsthand and don't give them a chance to think......guess the only solution
     
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    Maybe this is a deliberate ploy to lure pakis. But should have secured atleast few bodies to lambast pakis in UN.
     
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    you mean a set up by our govt ?
     
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    maybe...just a guess
     
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    those guys have been plotting against us since separation.........maybe if this is a set up then that is a good news
     
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    Pak grabbed ghost village on LoC

    Even as Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in New York, Indian troops were engaged in a murderous fight to clear Pakistani troops who have occupied a ghost village alone the Line of Control, highly placed military sources have told Firstpost. This is the first time since the 2001-2002 near-war that Pakistani troops have held territory across the Line of Control, and comes as a ceasefire declared after that conflict unravels.

    Fighting, the sources said, is still taking place in the village of Shala Bhata, where Pakistani irregulars and special forces personnel are using abandoned homes to fire on troops attempting to clear the area. Lieutenant-General Gurmeet Singh, commander of the Srinagar-based XV corps, said earlier this week twelve terrorists had been killed in the fighting — a statement that was misreported to have referred to a separate fidayeen strike on police and military installations in Samba.

    A spokesperson at army headquarters in New Delhi said he had no confirmation yet on Indian casualties. Map showing the village. Map showing the village. “There’s no confirmation yet about who the infiltrators are”, a senior New Delhi-based military spokesperson said, “but some of the bodies we’ve recovered are wearing uniforms, which is suggestive. More important, the tactics and disciplined use of firepower by the infiltrators show they are likely special forces personnel, not just infiltrators.” The intrusion, the sources said, took place on the night of 23 September, taking advantage of gaps in patrolling which took place when troops of the 20 Kumaon regiment were handing over charge to the 3-3 Gurkha, during a routine rotation of troops.

    The intruders took cover in unoccupied observation posts overlooking a nullah, or village stream, as well as abandoned homes. Earlier this year, five Indian soldiers were executed in an ambush near Chakan-da-Bagh in Poonch, when the 21 Bihar were handing over charge of a stretch of the Sarla battalion area to the 14 Maratha Light Infantry. “This suggests the Pakistani army is carefully monitoring the Line of Control”, an intelligence official told Firstpost, “identifying weaknesses to stage strikes of opportunity”. Shala Bhata, some 20 kilometres as the crow flies from the district headquarters at Keran, looks over the Kishanganga river, and is perched on a strategically-vital arc that overlooks Pakistan’s main line of communication to the northern stretches of the Line of Control.

    In 1990, many inhabitants of the village’s 21-odd families left for Pakistan, fearing imminent fighting. They continue to live just across the Line of Control, in a hamlet also called Shala Bhata. Pakistani troops have a small encampment just across the Line of Control. The remainder of the village’s inhabitants were evacuated from the area in 1999-1999, amidst intense Pakistani fire directed at adjoining Indian military positions. The occupation of the ghost village of Shala Bhata began less than a week before Prime Minister Singh held talks with Prime Minister Sharif in New York. Their discussions centred around measures to deescalate tensions on the line of control. The two Prime Ministers ordered their Directors-General of Military Operations to hold talks to defuse growing tensions. Pakistani troops last occupied positions on the Indian side of the Line of Control in July, 2002, taking Loonda Post— part of the same sector where fighting is now underway. India responded, on that occasion, by using eight Mirage 2000 aircraft to drop precision-guided bombs on to the four occupied bunkers. Following the air strike, troops supported by 155-millimetre howitzers retook the positions.

    The daylight air assault, government sources told Firstpost, had been authorised at the highest political leavel, and were intended to demonstrate that India would not hesitate to escalate the conflict if provoked. In earlier years, though, both armies frequently occupied posts vacated by their adversaries along the Line of Control, jockeying for tactical positional superiority. This would often lead to skirmishes and artillery exchanges.

    Read more at: Exclusive: While PM talked peace, Pak grabbed ghost village on LoC | Firstpost
     
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    Re: Pak grabbed ghost village on LoC

    From NDTV - Army denies Pak occupation of village along LoC: Infiltration bid was attempted last week, it was foiled, say officials
     
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    Oh but we shouldn't take action, because that would be a "communal" thing to do.
     
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    Needs more Aman ki Asha.
     
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    There was news that these so called terrorists not only stayed put on being challanged but were also seen get replanishments from Pak side. Now this makes it very clear that they were pak regulars.
     
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