Pak army 'caught India by throat' during Kargil war: Musharraf

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  1. Rashna

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    Pak army 'caught India by throat' during Kargil war: Musharraf

    KARACHI: Recalling the Kargil conflict, Pakistan's former military dictator General Pervez Musharraf on Sunday said the Pakistani army "caught India by throat" and that India will never forget the war.

    "There was a second line force, too, which caught India by throat and that was later given the status of army," Musharraf said, addressing a ceremony of his All Pakistan Muslim League (APML).

    Musharraf, who masterminded the 1999 Kargil conflict and ruled over Pakistan for nine years, said India will always "remember the battle of Kargil", the Geo News reported.

    "We entered Kargil from four points of which India was not aware," the former President said,

    In May 1999, India and Pakistan, in their most serious military engagement since 1971, clashed in Kargil area of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir after militants backed by Pakistani troops occupied the mountain peaks of Kargil.

    Speaking on the occasion, the former army chief also announced that his political party will take part in upcoming local bodies election in the country.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...Kargil-war-Musharraf/articleshow/47325081.cms
     
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  3. Rashna

    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    Kargil was his "personal" operation as he has confessed later in interviews. Even after eating humble pie he can't stop talking about this blunder of his which pushed indo-pak ties in to the cold storage forever. Vajpayee's diplomacy was praised by the US but all the work he did to put Indo-Pak ties back on track never bore fruit thanks to "Kargil", and the 26/11 attacks later. Kargil remains a watershed event to that effect.
     
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    Vajpayee stood firm during Kargil conflict: Clinton aide

    WASHINGTON: Giving a deep insight to the intense backroom diplomacy by the US during the 1999 Kargil conflict, a top Clinton aide has revealed how Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee stood firm on India's demand for unconditional withdrawal of Pakistani troops and his then counterpart Nawaz Sharif buckled to Washington's dictat.
    "There was no give in," Bruce Riedel, Special Assistant to former US President Bill Clinton said in an article. Riedel was part of the entire parleys the US had with Pakistan to force it to withdraw from Kargil unconditionally.
    Clinton had invited Vajpayee to Washington for a face-to-face meeting with Sharif but the Indian Prime Minister had declined to undertake the visit in view of the then security situation.
    Clinton had informed Vajpayee after intensive parleys with Sharif in Washington in early July 1999 that he was "holding firm on demanding the withdrawal of Pakistani troops to the Line of Control."
    Interestingly, according to Riedel's account, Sharif briefed an angry Clinton on his frantic efforts during that period to engage Vajpayee and get a deal that would allow Pakistan to withdraw with some face saving.
    "Sharif's brief was confused and vague on many details but he seemed a man possessed with fear of war," Riedel said. Riedel said the US was quick to make known its view that Pakistan should withdraw its forces back behind the Line of Control (LoC) immediately.
    At first, Clinton aides Rick Inderfurth and Thomas Pickering conveyed this view privately to the Pakistani and Indian Ambassador in Washington late May that year after the outbreak of the conflict.
    US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright called Sharif two days later followed by similar tough talk by General Tony Zinni who also spoke to then Army Chief Pervez Musharraf.
    "These message did not not work. So we went public and called upon Pakistan to respect the LoC," Riedel said adding that Clinton called both Vajpayee and Sharif in mid June and sent letters to each pressing for Pakistani withdrawal and restraint from Indian side.
    Sharif became increasingly desperate as he saw how isolated Pakistan's position had become and sought urgent American intervention. In the last days of June, Sharif began to ask to see Clinton directly to plead his case.
    On July 2, Sharif called Clinton and appealed to him to intervene and stop the fighting and also help resolve the Kashmir issue. Clinton made it clear that he could help only if Pakistan first withdrew to the LoC.
    Clinton also consulted Vajpayee on phone, Riedel said, observing that the Indians were adamant. Vajpayee would not not negotiate under the threat of aggression.
    Clinton sought to assure the Indian leader that Washington would not not countenance Pakistani aggression nor nor reward them for violating the LoC, he said adding the US stood committed to the Lahore peace process. On 3rd July, Sharif was more desperate and told President Clinton he was ready to come immediately to Washington to seek help. "The President repeated his caution 'Come only if you are ready to withdraw, I can't help you if you are not ready to pull back'," Riedel wrote. Sharif said he was coming and would be there on 4th.
    Riedel said Sharif's intention also became clearer. He was bringing his wife and children with him to Washington, a possible indication he was afraid he might not be able to go home if the summit failed or that the military was telling him to leave.
    Clinton started his discussion with Sharif on July 4 by handing him a cartoon from the day'sChicago Tribune newspaper that showed Pakistan and India as nuclear bombs fighting with each other.
    During the parleys, the US leader, according to Riedel, reminded Sharif that Washington played a role in the Arab-Israeli conflict because both sides invited it to mediate. But this was not not the case with Kashmir.
    Clinton advised that the best approach was the road begun at Lahore, that is direct contact with India. He bluntly told Sharif that Pakistan had completely undermined that opening by attacking at Kargil and it must retreat before disaster set in.
    "The room was tense and Sharif visibly worried," Riedel wrote. Sharif also warned that fundamentalists in Pakistan would move agaisnt him and this meeting would be the last with him. Clinton was clear and firm. Sharif had a choice -- withdraw behind the LoC and the moral compass would tilt back towards Pakistan or stay and fight a dangerous war with India without American sympathy.
    The President told Sharif he had draft statement ready to issue that would pin all the blame for the Kargil crisis on Pakistan. "The President was getting angry."
    After 90 minutes of intense discussions, the meeting broke to allow each leader to meet with his team and consider next steps.
    Clinton put through a short call to New Delhi just to tell Vajpayee that he was holding firm on demanding the withdrawal to the LoC, Riedel said, adding Vajpayee had little to say, even asking the President "What do you want me to say"?
    Riedel said there was no view in New Delhi and none was asked for.
    "After an hour, when the President, Sharif and I returned to the discussions, the President put on the table a short statement to be issued to the press to announce agreement on withdrawal to the LoC," he said.
    The statement also called for a ceasefire once the withdrawal was completed and restoration of the Lahore process. It also included a reaffirmation of the President's longstanding plans to visit South Asia.
    "Sharif read the statement several times quietly. He asked to talk with his team and we adjourned again," Riedel said. "After a few minutes Sharif returned with good news. The statement was acceptable with one addition," Riedel said, adding Sharif wanted a sentence added to say 'The President would take personal interest to encourage an expeditious resumption and intensification of bilateral efforts (i.e. Lahore process) once the sanctity of the LoC was fully restored.
    The President then called Vajpayee to preview the statement, Riedel said.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...onflict-Clinton-aide/articleshow/10341644.cms
     
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    Really?

    Caught Indian Army by the throat?

    Maybe the bamboo that went up the posterior of the Pak Army, caused the involuntary attempt to seize the Indian throat, but failed because the Pakistani palms were sweaty and clammy with fear.
     
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    Pak army 'caught India by throat' during Kargil war: Musharraf

    And then INDIA caught and pressed PORKISTAN'S balls so hard that it went running to UNCLE SAM where it was raped by UNCLE and then their so called friends with pressed nose CHINA also advised them if you want INDIA to Stop pressing your balls and want relief from pain then do as INDIA says.

    Even after so many years PORKI balls are still in pains but somehow to show up brave face they still come up with such statements just to show that they are not feeling painful.
     
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    India got Pakis by it's throat as well as balls. :rofl:

    India killed 4000 Pakis(Army+Terrorists) and lost 500 soldiers.

    Kargil war left a red faced General having no izzat and even it's lover China told to back off. Mushi is one hell of a IDIOT and Big Mouth and he needs such stupid statements to be in news always. We still remember how he was threatened by US of "Bomb back to stone age".

    Mushi is such a drama queen. :basanti:
     
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    Another false bravado by them...Whole world knows what happened during Kargil
     
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    General has been smoking the pure ones from Afghanistan.
     
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    or listening to bob marley's (sorry Bob meri marlo) ganja in my brain song.
     
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    Another drop of mental masturbation from Musharraf's cognitively impaired brain which often cause hallucinations and foot in mouth disease in him . During Kargil war we Indians crushed the ball sack of camel jockey wannabes so hard that they lost their cherry and ran towards Washington to preserve their anal virginity.
     
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    We should try to understand the context of the interview. May be mushy thinks Nawaz sharif is getting weak with what ever is happening over there.
     
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    Well Mamu Mushraf we thought Paki Army what will happen if you catch us by our throat. We caught you by ur Balls and showed hot bombs and bullets at ur a$$ while you were running back like a freaked out Pig.
     
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    In fact it was pakistani's great islamic army which was caught by their balls that too with their pants down! :)
     
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    i think Mushie got confused and grabbed our dicks thinking that it was our throat. thats why people call paki army and its jeranail hijdas (no offense to transgenders please).
     
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    Transgenders can fight better than paki islamic army.....!!
     
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    Thats the reason why Mushraff is getting kicked around in Pak, for his impotent adventurisms :D
    Poor sod, trying to make himself relevant in the political equation by the wet dream he had while he was in service.
    :D

    Mussi is talking in the lines of Zaid Hamid(Topi be upon him)
     
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    and i m dammn sure that they have more balls and brains that paki army
     
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    mushie has big plans for himslef he wants to run in Elections, and what best start can he have than slinging mud on India and calling himself great this and that. In reality, during kargil pakis were like the tail of dogs tucked in between legs
     
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    Will be interesting to see: If China is sponsoring Nawaz...USA wont hesitate to sponsor Mussie as a counter to bring back Pak to a new low. As usual Mussie is the one who gave USA freehand inside Pak.

    IMO.Mussie fighting and winning an election with the current levels is weed dream. :D
     
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