PAF suspends Air Force Development Plan 2025 says report

[datguy79]

In the coming Pakistan want to do many things, specially in Afghanistan, Plus all the aid from Uncle going to dry up, no money for the transit rights, Pak to build and support Talibs to take over Afghanistan. Plus Pak Navy plans for Nuke power sub, but it is very remote chance of them having made one, plus it will further drain on their resources.

PAF in absence of funds may have comfort levels with Junk fighter's existing block, may be few upgrade but nowhere near Block-II which they have planned.
Since non of the other AF has purchased Junk fighter except for PAF, same my result in J10 fighter, therefore China will desperately want PAF to have few J10 on soft loan or may be if Pak is lucky free of cost. Specially when MRCA arrives with IAF.

When IAF will start getting FGFA, PAF will have no choice but to go for J31 fighters.

Now what we should do is two things first to make sure that Pak go bankrupt, second to make sure Pak eco is at it is. How it can be done, lets not discuss that.

You should see some of the recent Taliban casualty reports. 70-100 of their fighters are removed from the battlefield daily (killed, wounded, captured). The only way that they can put up a reasonable fight will be for Pak to enlist its own soldiers in Taliban ranks just like they did in 90s.

 

[natarajan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_Pakistan_Air_Force

They have good number of fighters ,with fast induction of jf-17.On other hand our iaf is getting only su-30mki annually with tejas and mmrca years away from starting production .Without much spending they are maintaining decent squadrons but in spite of so much spending we dont have total superiority over them.

If su-30mki was not initiated by nda now it would have been nightmare.

 

[The Messiah]

I wonder quite often how Pakistan continues to survive with so much going on. Nukes and all are fine, but if the people are not happy and the country is neck deep in debt, and if it has been receiving aid for decades, how long will the gravy train run? It is just not the Air Force; even their railways are out of shape, and they won't even be able to transport armour and artillery if war breaks out.

This is the reason why soldiers should be in the business of defense, and not in the business of running clubs, tourist resorts, grocery stores, transport agencies, etc..

It will survive till its useful to other nations to use it to keep India busy.

 

[p2prada]

News has it that some of the JF-17 ( the entire first batch) are optimised for A2G role, and have very limited A2A capability as PAF were in a hurry to get the JF-17s to conduct air strikes. The scarce information of ECM pods for the JF-17 seem to infer that as well. The plan was to get them A2A later, which now is screwed, courtesy the blown economy.

The first 50 JF-17s are merely evaluation, training and conversion units. They are just basic IOC aircraft with limited air to air capability. Block 2 will come with proper BVR capability and Block I will receive FOC specs of Block 2 after 2015.

ECM pods are known. JF-17 has the BM/KG-300G pod. Nothing internal though.

 

[sayareakd]

You should see some of the recent Taliban casualty reports. 70-100 of their fighters are removed from the battlefield daily (killed, wounded, captured). The only way that they can put up a reasonable fight will be for Pak to enlist its own soldiers in Taliban ranks just like they did in 90s.

Pakistan army and Talibs are same difference is that one wears uniform other dont. Since they dont want to leave Afghanistan on their own in coming years they are going to create mischief their. All other stake holders have stake in peaceful Afghanistan, except for Pakistan. So coming days are difficult for Afghanistan. We too want Pakistan economy to suffer so that they wont have funds for military and for mischief into Afghanistan, such war and campaign cost money.

 

[p2prada]

Without much spending they are maintaining decent squadrons but in spite of so much spending we dont have total superiority over them.

Each MKI can do the work of 10 of those PAF Mirage-III/Vs. You will need at least 2 or 3 of those F-16 B52s to compare to one MKI in capability terms. Example: Dassault claims one Rafale equates to 3 Mirage-2000s or Gripens. IAF claims one MKI does the work of an entire squadron of Mig-21 Bisons.

The kind of capability boost we have received with MKI, it is unmatched in our history. We have an overwhelming capability against PAF and it doesn't look like we will be losing it any time soon, especially when we have planned out our inductions right up to 2040 like USAF, while PAF is still in the dark about what they will do after JF-17 B3 in 2016.

 

[sayareakd]

The kind of capability boost we have received with MKI, it is unmatched in our history. We have an overwhelming capability against PAF and it doesn't look like we will be losing it any time soon, especially when we have planned out our inductions right up to 2040 like USAF, while PAF is still in the dark about what they will do after JF-17 B3 in 2016.

true, plus now we are planning to take on China, in this processes we way beyond any chance which PAF to even challenge IAF in their own airspace.

 

[natarajan]

our iaf is mainly for chinese and in other hand we should face paf.

 

[p2prada]

Considering the finacial health of Pak economy, I really doubt if it can sustein itself by supporting Taliban in Afgan against the combined financial power of US+India+Russia. War is not a small game, its a big biz and needs tons of money. Mujahids cud do it based on US+Saudi money against USSR but now US + Russia will together pump in the money for ANA. Can Pak succeed now? Will it barter away its own people and industry to control Afgan? They need money within Pakistan for Pakistanis and not to wage a war in Afgan to control it.

The Pakistanis may most probably opt for a ceasefire after 2014.

Times will be interesting depending on how TTP will react once the Pakistanis back out, quite alarming as well. It would also be interesting to note Afghan Talibs and Kandhari Talibs reaction to it.

Even today, Pakistan is busy fighting TTP while still continuing to fund Mullah Omar's Afghan Taliban. That Mullah Omar is a smart chap.

 

[Virendra]

Absolutely, and also to be noted is that the PAF is conducting air strikes (albeit on their own population) with PGMs, using both the F-16s and the JF-17s. And each bombing is preceeded by air-reconaissance. That means atleast a certain number of ACs and airbases on war footing. Thats extra consumption of fuel, extra maintainance costs and not to forget ammunition costs. Those PGMs could be upto $250,000.

Aren't they milking the Americans enough for that?

 

[p2prada]

Aren't they milking the Americans enough for that?

They have been running Kargil level operations for years. Even milking the Americans is not enough.

Fact is the Pakistanis have already lost thousands of soldiers, I believe more than the number they lost in Kargil, 3700 as of 2009. Eventually they may lose as many or more people than all Indo-Pak wars combined.

It started with Musharaff. Operations tempo intensified after there were assassination attempts on him.

There were so many lash backs to this WoT. The Lal Masjid incident, Marriott Hotel, destruction of 2 P-3C Orion and 1 Erieye AEW&C etc.

The Pak military has always reported lopsided casualties, like in Bajaur they said they killed more than 1000 militants to the loss of 100 soldiers. Swat has been a major hotspot for craziness. Even in Swat the numbers were lopsided 10 to 1.

The American drone attacks have only helped Pakistan. But the cost of the war is far greater than the $20 Billion they have received in aid. More than aid, the Pakistanis are trying to get free trade agreements with NATO countries and debt cancellation.

Overall, Pakistan itself is in a bad situation. Lucky for them there is a civilian govt in charge of managing the economy.

 

[farhan_9909]

Courtesy fieldmarshal

so these were more of an hatta pai for more funds to paf this year

this is the actual report by Sen. Mushahid Hussain Sayed. Read report 4:

Committee Reports | Standing Committee on Defence & Defence Production



Quote:
The Committee was informed about the continuous efforts and innovative ways of indigenization of Air Force planes as well as other equipment including joint ventures and joint up-gradation facilities/arrangements with friendly countries. The Committee was however informed that budgetary constraints were not only increasing liabilities but hampering the up-gradation and development efforts.

and...

Quote:
In response to a query by the Chairman of the Committee, the Chief of Air Staff informed that PAF had formulated a long term plan called AFDP 2025 and had been effectively implementing it from 2003-04 to 2007 but the national resource constraints thereafter have caused some delays and postponements.

a far cry from the "not receiving a single penny since 2007" that our journalists came up with!
It only mentions "some delays and postponements", not downright "shelving" or "cancellation" of any major defense programs.

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