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Is it sir ? i think its something else, some kind of probes to detect enemy subs.
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Sorry mate. You are right. Those 3 are probes. The Torpedo is shown in the end.
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the point i want to discuss is that if this is the primary tool to detect sub. activities then it seems a bit time consuming and porous, the pictures posted here doesn't show any external apparatus to radar sub. activity from the bird itself. the question how deeper it can scan enemy fish is another cane of worms (not in case of injected probes cause depth of theses probes can be adjusted as per requirement).
however If the information is meant to be kept classified i wont mind socking the em up here.
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however If the information is meant to be kept classified i wont mind socking the em up here.
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The depth penetration of the radar is not known, but there is a certain level of detection possible. Once detected Sonobuoys are launched into the water. The probes are called Sonobuoys and yes, they are pretty much the primary tools to detect Submarines.
Active Sonobuoys emit sound that is used to triangulate the exact position of the enemy sub. It's called Pinging. Once pinged, the plane gets a target to fire its torpedo.
The operation is slow. But, no worries, the sub at 30 knots cannot outrun a B-737 at 500 knots. It's not going anywhere, except mermaid land.
Active Sonobuoys emit sound that is used to triangulate the exact position of the enemy sub. It's called Pinging. Once pinged, the plane gets a target to fire its torpedo.
The operation is slow. But, no worries, the sub at 30 knots cannot outrun a B-737 at 500 knots. It's not going anywhere, except mermaid land.
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Poseidon On Patrol
Wednesday, July 1, 2009
Poseidon On Patrol
With the Boeing P-8A Poseidon, the U.S. Navy will have a net centric patrol fleet providing anti-submarine, anti-surface and ISR capabilities over Blue Water and coastal environments
Frank Colucci
With the first flight of the Boeing P-8A Poseidon test aircraft in April, the U.S. Navy moved closer to a modernized patrol fleet ready for net-centric warfare in open ocean and cluttered coastal environments.
Aircraft T2, the mission system flight-test aircraft, first flew June 5. Flight testing with the mission suite begins in early 2010. However, hardware and software for the former Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft were running in software, mission systems and weapon systems integration labs, and in a high-fidelity cockpit simulator at Boeing Integrated Defense Systems facilities around Kent, Wash.
The P-8 patrol platform will replace the worn P-3 Orion turboprop starting in 2013, bringing enhanced capabilities for anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASuW), and intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR).
"I do see us being able to cover more area," said Capt. Mike Moran, the Navy’s program manager. "The biggest bang for the buck is the integrated tactical picture, the situational awareness improvement that comes with the P-8 versus the P-3."
The Navy grounded about a quarter of its 157 P-3Cs in late 2007 pending wing replacements, and the service is managing P-3 flight hours and operational profiles carefully to stretch the fleet. Patrol squadrons with nine P-3s today will re-equip with six or seven P-8s.
"The availability of this new airplane will be far superior to what we see on the P-3s," explained Moran.
Given a P-8 full-rate production decision in May 2010, the Navy expects 108 Poseidons to replace the aged P-3 Orions altogether by 2019.
The P-8 is based on the commercial 737-800 airframe, powered by twin CFM 56-7 turbofans. It offers the Navy a reliable platform with higher performance than the P-3. "The big differential is that the airplane is a much more capable aircraft," said Fred Smith, Boeing senior manager for P-8 business development and a former P-3 wing commander. "It’s going to get you out there faster, fly higher, stay on station longer and handle a larger mission set."
The mission set for U.S. Navy patrol squadrons has grown from Blue Water, open ocean ASW and ASuW to include counter-terrorism, anti-piracy and disaster relief in the littoral regions where land and sea meet. With its own Mk. 54 torpedoes and SLAM-ER missiles, and with network access to joint forces firepower, the P-8 is meant to protect sea lines of communication and secure operating areas for Navy strike groups. In all of these scenarios, the Poseidon integrated mission system will pipe streaming video and other sensor data to battlegroup, landing force or ground commanders.
Most P-8 mission system software is re-used from previous applications to save development cost and time. Both software and hardware leverage open systems standards to accommodate planned improvements. P-8 Increment One achieves initial operational capability in July 2013 with baseline sonobuoys, radar, electro-optical (EO) sensors and electronic support measures (ESM). Increment Two around 2015 upgrades the ASW suite with multi-static buoys "pinging" and "listening" simultaneously. Increment Three around 2018 taps into the Global Information Grid via the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet).
Big Picture
The P-8 is designed to traffic on- and off-board data. While the P-3 has dedicated sensor stations in different parts of the cabin, the Poseidon shares onboard sensor information and the Common Relevant Operational Picture (CROP) from Navy battle groups with the entire crew. Tactical workstations are connected by an Ethernet and video network. Sensor and navigation data travel via Mil-Std-1553B bus.
"Here, it’s a fully integrated weapon system," Moran noted. "The crew will be more able to rapidly respond to the information than before."
Five identical workstations aligned on one side of the cabin each have two stacked 24-inch multifunction displays. "The amount of data we can display is significant," said Moran. Operators may, for example, keep a geographic plot on the lower display and allocate the upper screen to the sensor in use. The Increment One P-8 also will enable operators to exercise Level II control over the sensors on unmanned aircraft systems.
The P-8 Tactical Coordinator (TACCO) managing the mission and the Co-TACCO handling communications can see the displays available to any of the enlisted sensor operators. "The Tactical Coordinator can set permissions on the system," Smith said. "Based on the experience of the operator, and the type of operator they are, the TACCO can dole out those permissions accordingly." He added, "Anyone can be at any station. Depending on the mission, you can configure the stations on-the-fly."
"Wet" acoustic and "dry" ESM, EO and radar operators can be mixed to suit the mission. Fleet users are considering how to cross train multi-sensor operators, but according to Moran, "The AW [Aviation Warfare Systems Operator] doing acoustics is not going away."
Up front, the P-8 cockpit builds on the cockpit of the modern 737 airliner, with flight and stores management systems developed by GE Aviation. Sensor information can be called up on three of the cockpit displays, and the pilot’s head-up display shows select mission information. "The pilots will have situational awareness in addition to having all the advantages of the commercial 737 cockpit," said Smith.
Mission Audio Panels in the cockpit, at each operator and observer station, and in the aft-cabin planning area enable any crewmember to access any radio. Like the P-3, the P-8 will have UHF, satcom and HF radios to send and receive information. Inmarsat, Link 16 and Common Data Link (CDL) capability are part of the baseline P-8. Increment Three adds robust SIPRNet capability to send tactical plots or other data to Navy Tactical Operations Centers (TOC) ashore and the Global Information Grid.
Northrop Grumman Information Technology, McLean, Va., is developing the P-8 datalinks, and by the time of a full-rate production decision, the P-8 team must demonstrate data exchange with other network-centric forces. According to Smith, "You’ll have a number of ways to share that information via satellite with just about anybody."
Sensor Suite
The primary mission of the Poseidon remains anti-submarine warfare, and the new patrol aircraft advances the automated detection capability of the P-3C Update III with a new Boeing USQ-78B acoustic processor. "From a software processing capability, it’s basically the same," said Moran. "I think the differences are we’re taking advantage of the additional processing power the P-8 brings to the acoustics piece and the display piece."
The processing and display power of the P-8 manages up to 64 passive buoys, twice the number available to the P-3 operator. It also handles up to 32 active-passive bi-static buoys, four times the capacity of the P-3C.
The software-defined sonobuoy radio on the P-8 provides access to more channels and mitigates interference in littoral environments. Significantly, the P-8 will perform real-time multi-static ASW, processing active and passive buoys concurrently. "When you do multi-static in the P-3, you can bang the buoys and listen or listen passively — it’s one or the other," Smith said.
The powerful acoustic capability eliminated the traditional Magnetic Anomaly Detector (MAD) from the U.S. Navy P-8. A new-technology MAD will be integrated into the international P-8I ordered by India.
The Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems AN/APY-10 radar on the P-8 uses the same waveforms as the APS-137B on the P-3. With improved signal processing, it tracks more than 200 targets — twice as many as its Orion predecessor. The APY-10 uses a fast mechanically scanned antenna. According to Raytheon engineer Jim Champion, "That allows us to maximize the integration we get when we look at a target like a periscope. That gives us very good small-target detection capability in high sea states."
Inverse Synthetic Aperture Radar (ISAR) modes use sea motion to "paint" ships with high resolution. Over land, Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) uses aircraft motion to pick targets out of clutter. "The combination of those two modes in the littoral environment is very powerful," said Raytheon engineer Jay Ellis.
Compared to the APS-137, the APY-10 also trims the seven Weapons Replaceable Assemblies aboard the P-3 down to just five on the P-8 and reduces weight from 600 pounds to just 386 pounds, with reduced power requirements. "Its primarily just leveraging off the integrated circuit technology improvements," said Ellis. "We’ve been able to do a lot of processing today that took a lot more circuit chips." Mean Time Between Failure for the new radar is estimated to be four to five times better than the -137.
The L-3 Wescam MX-20HD electro-optical turret under the P-8 integrates 1080p (progressive scan) high-definition television with a mid-wave Forward Looking Infrared sensor optimized for the high-humidity, low visibility maritime environment. The 2 megapixel digital HD TV camera with continuous zoom can be slaved to the radar for wide-area search and yields far more image detail than analog sensors at about the same ranges. An integrated day spotter TV camera steps through four fields of view for longer ranges. The stabilized, 200-pound E/O payload has an embedded inertial measurement unit for high pointing accuracy, and with its own inertial navigation system needs no laser rangefinder to show precise target location.
The Northrop Grumman integrated electronic support measures on the P-8 also will be far more capable than ESM on the Orion. "This is an area that P-3 has not invested in as much in recent years," said Moran. The P-8 system borrows digital receiver technology from the AN/ALQ-218(V)2 on the EA-18G Growler to process higher pulse densities with greater sensitivity than the P-3 system. With five digital receivers and four sets of short and long baseline interferometers, the P-8 will cover a broad frequency range and geo-locate emitters instantly.
"The operator doesn’t have to initiate or do anything; it’s all automatic," said Moran. The ESM detects, identifies, and locates emitters for an advanced P-8 self-protection suite.
Portions of P-8 technology will be shared with the P-3 fleet to keep the Orions relevant until retirement. Multi-static ASW software, for example, will be shared across the fleet, and Inmarsat connectivity is going aboard some P-3s to reduce integration risk for the P-8.
Navy patrol wings today have Tactical Operations Centers linked to their aircraft and deploy mobile TOCs away from home base. The TOCs will be upgraded to be ready for the Poseidon. According to Moran, "Whatever we’re putting on P-3C, we’re in lock step with those guys to support P-8."
Avionics Magazine :: Poseidon On Patrol
Wednesday, July 1, 2009
Poseidon On Patrol
With the Boeing P-8A Poseidon, the U.S. Navy will have a net centric patrol fleet providing anti-submarine, anti-surface and ISR capabilities over Blue Water and coastal environments
Frank Colucci
With the first flight of the Boeing P-8A Poseidon test aircraft in April, the U.S. Navy moved closer to a modernized patrol fleet ready for net-centric warfare in open ocean and cluttered coastal environments.
Aircraft T2, the mission system flight-test aircraft, first flew June 5. Flight testing with the mission suite begins in early 2010. However, hardware and software for the former Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft were running in software, mission systems and weapon systems integration labs, and in a high-fidelity cockpit simulator at Boeing Integrated Defense Systems facilities around Kent, Wash.
The P-8 patrol platform will replace the worn P-3 Orion turboprop starting in 2013, bringing enhanced capabilities for anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASuW), and intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR).
"I do see us being able to cover more area," said Capt. Mike Moran, the Navy’s program manager. "The biggest bang for the buck is the integrated tactical picture, the situational awareness improvement that comes with the P-8 versus the P-3."
The Navy grounded about a quarter of its 157 P-3Cs in late 2007 pending wing replacements, and the service is managing P-3 flight hours and operational profiles carefully to stretch the fleet. Patrol squadrons with nine P-3s today will re-equip with six or seven P-8s.
"The availability of this new airplane will be far superior to what we see on the P-3s," explained Moran.
Given a P-8 full-rate production decision in May 2010, the Navy expects 108 Poseidons to replace the aged P-3 Orions altogether by 2019.
The P-8 is based on the commercial 737-800 airframe, powered by twin CFM 56-7 turbofans. It offers the Navy a reliable platform with higher performance than the P-3. "The big differential is that the airplane is a much more capable aircraft," said Fred Smith, Boeing senior manager for P-8 business development and a former P-3 wing commander. "It’s going to get you out there faster, fly higher, stay on station longer and handle a larger mission set."
The mission set for U.S. Navy patrol squadrons has grown from Blue Water, open ocean ASW and ASuW to include counter-terrorism, anti-piracy and disaster relief in the littoral regions where land and sea meet. With its own Mk. 54 torpedoes and SLAM-ER missiles, and with network access to joint forces firepower, the P-8 is meant to protect sea lines of communication and secure operating areas for Navy strike groups. In all of these scenarios, the Poseidon integrated mission system will pipe streaming video and other sensor data to battlegroup, landing force or ground commanders.
Most P-8 mission system software is re-used from previous applications to save development cost and time. Both software and hardware leverage open systems standards to accommodate planned improvements. P-8 Increment One achieves initial operational capability in July 2013 with baseline sonobuoys, radar, electro-optical (EO) sensors and electronic support measures (ESM). Increment Two around 2015 upgrades the ASW suite with multi-static buoys "pinging" and "listening" simultaneously. Increment Three around 2018 taps into the Global Information Grid via the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet).
Big Picture
The P-8 is designed to traffic on- and off-board data. While the P-3 has dedicated sensor stations in different parts of the cabin, the Poseidon shares onboard sensor information and the Common Relevant Operational Picture (CROP) from Navy battle groups with the entire crew. Tactical workstations are connected by an Ethernet and video network. Sensor and navigation data travel via Mil-Std-1553B bus.
"Here, it’s a fully integrated weapon system," Moran noted. "The crew will be more able to rapidly respond to the information than before."
Five identical workstations aligned on one side of the cabin each have two stacked 24-inch multifunction displays. "The amount of data we can display is significant," said Moran. Operators may, for example, keep a geographic plot on the lower display and allocate the upper screen to the sensor in use. The Increment One P-8 also will enable operators to exercise Level II control over the sensors on unmanned aircraft systems.
The P-8 Tactical Coordinator (TACCO) managing the mission and the Co-TACCO handling communications can see the displays available to any of the enlisted sensor operators. "The Tactical Coordinator can set permissions on the system," Smith said. "Based on the experience of the operator, and the type of operator they are, the TACCO can dole out those permissions accordingly." He added, "Anyone can be at any station. Depending on the mission, you can configure the stations on-the-fly."
"Wet" acoustic and "dry" ESM, EO and radar operators can be mixed to suit the mission. Fleet users are considering how to cross train multi-sensor operators, but according to Moran, "The AW [Aviation Warfare Systems Operator] doing acoustics is not going away."
Up front, the P-8 cockpit builds on the cockpit of the modern 737 airliner, with flight and stores management systems developed by GE Aviation. Sensor information can be called up on three of the cockpit displays, and the pilot’s head-up display shows select mission information. "The pilots will have situational awareness in addition to having all the advantages of the commercial 737 cockpit," said Smith.
Mission Audio Panels in the cockpit, at each operator and observer station, and in the aft-cabin planning area enable any crewmember to access any radio. Like the P-3, the P-8 will have UHF, satcom and HF radios to send and receive information. Inmarsat, Link 16 and Common Data Link (CDL) capability are part of the baseline P-8. Increment Three adds robust SIPRNet capability to send tactical plots or other data to Navy Tactical Operations Centers (TOC) ashore and the Global Information Grid.
Northrop Grumman Information Technology, McLean, Va., is developing the P-8 datalinks, and by the time of a full-rate production decision, the P-8 team must demonstrate data exchange with other network-centric forces. According to Smith, "You’ll have a number of ways to share that information via satellite with just about anybody."
Sensor Suite
The primary mission of the Poseidon remains anti-submarine warfare, and the new patrol aircraft advances the automated detection capability of the P-3C Update III with a new Boeing USQ-78B acoustic processor. "From a software processing capability, it’s basically the same," said Moran. "I think the differences are we’re taking advantage of the additional processing power the P-8 brings to the acoustics piece and the display piece."
The processing and display power of the P-8 manages up to 64 passive buoys, twice the number available to the P-3 operator. It also handles up to 32 active-passive bi-static buoys, four times the capacity of the P-3C.
The software-defined sonobuoy radio on the P-8 provides access to more channels and mitigates interference in littoral environments. Significantly, the P-8 will perform real-time multi-static ASW, processing active and passive buoys concurrently. "When you do multi-static in the P-3, you can bang the buoys and listen or listen passively — it’s one or the other," Smith said.
The powerful acoustic capability eliminated the traditional Magnetic Anomaly Detector (MAD) from the U.S. Navy P-8. A new-technology MAD will be integrated into the international P-8I ordered by India.
The Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems AN/APY-10 radar on the P-8 uses the same waveforms as the APS-137B on the P-3. With improved signal processing, it tracks more than 200 targets — twice as many as its Orion predecessor. The APY-10 uses a fast mechanically scanned antenna. According to Raytheon engineer Jim Champion, "That allows us to maximize the integration we get when we look at a target like a periscope. That gives us very good small-target detection capability in high sea states."
Inverse Synthetic Aperture Radar (ISAR) modes use sea motion to "paint" ships with high resolution. Over land, Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) uses aircraft motion to pick targets out of clutter. "The combination of those two modes in the littoral environment is very powerful," said Raytheon engineer Jay Ellis.
Compared to the APS-137, the APY-10 also trims the seven Weapons Replaceable Assemblies aboard the P-3 down to just five on the P-8 and reduces weight from 600 pounds to just 386 pounds, with reduced power requirements. "Its primarily just leveraging off the integrated circuit technology improvements," said Ellis. "We’ve been able to do a lot of processing today that took a lot more circuit chips." Mean Time Between Failure for the new radar is estimated to be four to five times better than the -137.
The L-3 Wescam MX-20HD electro-optical turret under the P-8 integrates 1080p (progressive scan) high-definition television with a mid-wave Forward Looking Infrared sensor optimized for the high-humidity, low visibility maritime environment. The 2 megapixel digital HD TV camera with continuous zoom can be slaved to the radar for wide-area search and yields far more image detail than analog sensors at about the same ranges. An integrated day spotter TV camera steps through four fields of view for longer ranges. The stabilized, 200-pound E/O payload has an embedded inertial measurement unit for high pointing accuracy, and with its own inertial navigation system needs no laser rangefinder to show precise target location.
The Northrop Grumman integrated electronic support measures on the P-8 also will be far more capable than ESM on the Orion. "This is an area that P-3 has not invested in as much in recent years," said Moran. The P-8 system borrows digital receiver technology from the AN/ALQ-218(V)2 on the EA-18G Growler to process higher pulse densities with greater sensitivity than the P-3 system. With five digital receivers and four sets of short and long baseline interferometers, the P-8 will cover a broad frequency range and geo-locate emitters instantly.
"The operator doesn’t have to initiate or do anything; it’s all automatic," said Moran. The ESM detects, identifies, and locates emitters for an advanced P-8 self-protection suite.
Portions of P-8 technology will be shared with the P-3 fleet to keep the Orions relevant until retirement. Multi-static ASW software, for example, will be shared across the fleet, and Inmarsat connectivity is going aboard some P-3s to reduce integration risk for the P-8.
Navy patrol wings today have Tactical Operations Centers linked to their aircraft and deploy mobile TOCs away from home base. The TOCs will be upgraded to be ready for the Poseidon. According to Moran, "Whatever we’re putting on P-3C, we’re in lock step with those guys to support P-8."
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They are dropping sono buoys.
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Yes, and a minimum of three are required to triangulate the correct position of the hostile sub.
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Boeing shows off Poseidon, India is first global buyer
WASHINGTON: India will be the first international customer of the Boeing P-8I
Poseidon, a variant of the P-8A Poseidon, US Navy's newest
maritime patrol and
reconnaissance aircraft showcased by the Boeing Company.
Ceremonially rolled out Thursday at the Boeing facility in Renton, Washington, the P-8A, a derivative of the Next-Generation 737-800, is a long-range anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft capable of broad-area, maritime and littoral operations.
"The P-8A Poseidon will equip the US Navy with the most advanced multi-mission maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft in the world," said Jim Albaugh, president and CEO of Boeing Integrated Defence Systems.
"The Poseidon is also the latest in a decades-long Boeing tradition of working closely with the Navy and other customers to deliver a wide range of platforms that meet their most critical mission requirements."
As the replacement for the US Navy's P-3C Orion aircraft, the P-8A will provide greater payload capacity, significant growth potential, unprecedented flexibility and interoperability, and advanced mission systems, software and communications, Albaugh added.
"The P-8A programme is an outstanding example of evolutionary acquisition at work," said Capt. Mike Moran, US Navy maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft programme manager.
India is buying eight P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft for the Indian navy at a total cost of $2.1 billion with each aircraft costing about $220 million. These aircraft would replace Indian Navy's aging Tupolev Tu-142M maritime surveillance turboprops.
Boeing will deliver the first P-8I to India by 2013 and the remaining seven by 2015. Interest has been expressed by many other countries, including Australia and Italy.
The P-8A for the US Navy is built by a Boeing-led industry team that includes CFM International, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Spirit AeroSystems and GE Aviation.
The team currently is assembling and testing the first five P-8As as part of the programme's System Development and Demonstration contract, awarded in 2004.
The integrated Navy/Boeing team will begin formal flight testing of the P-8A later this
year. The US Navy plans to purchase 117 P-8As, and initial operational capability is planned for 2013.
Boeing shows off Poseidon, India is first global buyer- Airlines / Aviation-Transportation-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times
WASHINGTON: India will be the first international customer of the Boeing P-8I
Poseidon, a variant of the P-8A Poseidon, US Navy's newest
maritime patrol and
reconnaissance aircraft showcased by the Boeing Company.
Ceremonially rolled out Thursday at the Boeing facility in Renton, Washington, the P-8A, a derivative of the Next-Generation 737-800, is a long-range anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft capable of broad-area, maritime and littoral operations.
"The P-8A Poseidon will equip the US Navy with the most advanced multi-mission maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft in the world," said Jim Albaugh, president and CEO of Boeing Integrated Defence Systems.
"The Poseidon is also the latest in a decades-long Boeing tradition of working closely with the Navy and other customers to deliver a wide range of platforms that meet their most critical mission requirements."
As the replacement for the US Navy's P-3C Orion aircraft, the P-8A will provide greater payload capacity, significant growth potential, unprecedented flexibility and interoperability, and advanced mission systems, software and communications, Albaugh added.
"The P-8A programme is an outstanding example of evolutionary acquisition at work," said Capt. Mike Moran, US Navy maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft programme manager.
India is buying eight P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft for the Indian navy at a total cost of $2.1 billion with each aircraft costing about $220 million. These aircraft would replace Indian Navy's aging Tupolev Tu-142M maritime surveillance turboprops.
Boeing will deliver the first P-8I to India by 2013 and the remaining seven by 2015. Interest has been expressed by many other countries, including Australia and Italy.
The P-8A for the US Navy is built by a Boeing-led industry team that includes CFM International, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Spirit AeroSystems and GE Aviation.
The team currently is assembling and testing the first five P-8As as part of the programme's System Development and Demonstration contract, awarded in 2004.
The integrated Navy/Boeing team will begin formal flight testing of the P-8A later this
year. The US Navy plans to purchase 117 P-8As, and initial operational capability is planned for 2013.
Boeing shows off Poseidon, India is first global buyer- Airlines / Aviation-Transportation-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times
This is just a toy used for playing in peace as usa will never support us wen we fight with pakistanis like providing spare parts and even in the middle of the war they may request to inspecting as it would ensure her child(pakistanis) safe
Remember usa sent nuclear power aircraft carrier in 1971 war to bay of bengal to bomb us but ussr sent some submarine and ships armed with nuclear missile to drive this ship out of ior region
oh really i dont know but i used it as short form for pakistan
Remember usa sent nuclear power aircraft carrier in 1971 war to bay of bengal to bomb us but ussr sent some submarine and ships armed with nuclear missile to drive this ship out of ior region
oh really i dont know but i used it as short form for pakistan
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well the EUVA allows India to use US platforms for their intended purpose and that is for warfare, EUVA ensures we can use the platform against any incoming threat and the decision is binding, they wont dare interfere if push really comes to shove. Besides they wont risk loosing billions of dollars in future business with India by supporting Pak completely. Pak is expense for US tax payers and India is not, India pays for its stuff and doesn't beg, US knows this, do u really think US would do anything to hamper relations with India, what is surely to be the largest market for goods and service in world by 2040. No way, off course when tensions rise, D.C will try and get us to talk, beyond that they can't do much but put pressure on Pak. Moreover Pak is too chicken right now to dare war with India, they know we have a lot of old grudges in the back of mind and they know we'll screw em up next time. Its the Chinese we need to be careful about. To counter China we'll need US support.
Rollout of Boeing P-8A Poseidon ceremony on thursday
U.S. Navy sailors look over the new Boeing P-8A Poseidon during the rollout ceremony for the plane at the Boeing plant in Renton. The P-8A Poseidon is a long-range, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft.
A crowd gathers around a new Boeing P-8A Poseidon during the rollout ceremony for the plane on Thursday July 30, 2009 at the Boeing plant in Renton.
Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire speaks to an audience with the Boeing P-8A Poseidon in the background during the rollout ceremony for the plane at the Boeing plant in Renton.
U.S. Navy sailors look over the new Boeing P-8A Poseidon during the rollout ceremony for the plane at the Boeing plant in Renton.
Officials, including Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead and Jim Albaugh, chief executive officer of Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, stand in front of a new Boeing P-8A Poseidon during the plane's rollout ceremony for the plane at the Boeing plant in Renton.
Adm. Gary Roughead, chief of Navy operations, speaks during the rollout ceremony for the new Boeing P-8A Poseidon at the Boeing plant in Renton. The P-8A Poseidon is a long-range, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft.
U.S. Navy sailors look over the new Boeing P-8A Poseidon during the rollout ceremony for the plane at the Boeing plant in Renton.
The nose of the new Boeing P-8A Poseidon is shown during the rollout ceremony for the plane at the Boeing plant in Renton.
Scott Carson, president and chief executive officer of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, speaks during the rollout ceremony for the Boeing P-8A Poseidon at the Boeing plant in Renton.
U.S. Navy sailors look over the new Boeing P-8A Poseidon during the rollout ceremony for the plane at the Boeing plant in Renton.
The new Boeing P-8A Poseidon is shown during the rollout ceremony for the plane on Thursday July 30, 2009 at the Boeing plant in Renton.
Boeing shows off sub-seeking Poseidon jet
Boeing had a day of celebration Thursday in Renton as it rolled out a new U.S. Navy airplane with all the pomp and ceremony that a military brass band and hundreds of sailors in their dress whites could muster.
As the company struggles to get the 787 Dreamliner into the air in Everett, the Renton party was a welcome affirmation of what Boeing prowess can achieve.
The P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine and patrol airplane, a military version of the workhorse 737 passenger airliner, is a collaboration between Boeing's military and commercial-airplane divisions.
Poseidon is Boeing's largest military project in the Puget Sound region. Most of the 2,000 employees who work on it are locally based.
The Navy will take 117 of the jets, plus eight test airplanes. Boeing anticipates about 100 orders from overseas, including Australia and India. The total program should bring in around $40 billion over 25 years.
Earlier this year, the first two flight-test airplanes hopped over from Renton to Boeing Field, where Boeing defense-side employees are installing systems. Flight tests over Puget Sound will begin in the next couple months.
The plane that was rolled out Thursday, painted white with Navy markings, is the third flight-test airplane.
Boeing hopes the success of the P-8A production model — modifying the airframes for the military mission while on the assembly line — will help it win the pending Air Force refueling-tanker contract, which would entail doing something similar with the wide-body 767.
At the ceremony, Jim Albaugh, CEO of Boeing's defense division, thanked "the men and women of Puget Sound" who built the plane and added that Boeing "hopes to deliver a lot of tankers from here in the years to come."
The P-8A is designed to patrol the oceans, flying low and slow with advanced surveillance systems to hunt enemy submarines, and with the weapons to destroy them.
Originally, that was a Cold War mission, with another superpower as the threat. The Navy wants to maintain that high-tech capability.
But if current anti-insurgency wars persist beyond the new jet's entry into service in 2013, Navy pilots may also find themselves flying surveillance missions over land in support of ground troops.
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Attending Thursday's ceremony from his Whidbey Island station, Navy pilot Matt Frauenzimmer said he's flown more than 300 missions in Iraq and Afghanistan on the current P-3 turboprop patrol planes that the P-8A will replace.
During the invasion of Iraq, he said, the Navy surveillance planes served as "airborne body guards" for combat troops on the ground, "looking over the hill at what's coming at them."
More recently, Frauenzimmer said, the planes have patrolled at night searching for groups planting roadside bombs that would threaten U.S. forces.
Navy Adm. Bill Moran, commander of the patrol and reconnaissance group, said that because of a shortage of reconnaissance assets, ground surveillance in the country's two active wars now accounts for "60 to 70 percent of what we do operationally."
"It was just pure necessity and lack of capacity defensewide," Moran said. And after 2013, "if the world looks like it does today," he added, the P-8A "will be deployed much the same."
The Navy's current Lockheed Martin-built patrol planes entered service in 1962 and a percentage are grounded for repair.
"We've gone about 40 years in the command without that new-car smell," Moran said.
Boeing news | Boeing shows off sub-seeking Poseidon jet | Seattle Times Newspaper
Boeing had a day of celebration Thursday in Renton as it rolled out a new U.S. Navy airplane with all the pomp and ceremony that a military brass band and hundreds of sailors in their dress whites could muster.
As the company struggles to get the 787 Dreamliner into the air in Everett, the Renton party was a welcome affirmation of what Boeing prowess can achieve.
The P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine and patrol airplane, a military version of the workhorse 737 passenger airliner, is a collaboration between Boeing's military and commercial-airplane divisions.
Poseidon is Boeing's largest military project in the Puget Sound region. Most of the 2,000 employees who work on it are locally based.
The Navy will take 117 of the jets, plus eight test airplanes. Boeing anticipates about 100 orders from overseas, including Australia and India. The total program should bring in around $40 billion over 25 years.
Earlier this year, the first two flight-test airplanes hopped over from Renton to Boeing Field, where Boeing defense-side employees are installing systems. Flight tests over Puget Sound will begin in the next couple months.
The plane that was rolled out Thursday, painted white with Navy markings, is the third flight-test airplane.
Boeing hopes the success of the P-8A production model — modifying the airframes for the military mission while on the assembly line — will help it win the pending Air Force refueling-tanker contract, which would entail doing something similar with the wide-body 767.
At the ceremony, Jim Albaugh, CEO of Boeing's defense division, thanked "the men and women of Puget Sound" who built the plane and added that Boeing "hopes to deliver a lot of tankers from here in the years to come."
The P-8A is designed to patrol the oceans, flying low and slow with advanced surveillance systems to hunt enemy submarines, and with the weapons to destroy them.
Originally, that was a Cold War mission, with another superpower as the threat. The Navy wants to maintain that high-tech capability.
But if current anti-insurgency wars persist beyond the new jet's entry into service in 2013, Navy pilots may also find themselves flying surveillance missions over land in support of ground troops.
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Attending Thursday's ceremony from his Whidbey Island station, Navy pilot Matt Frauenzimmer said he's flown more than 300 missions in Iraq and Afghanistan on the current P-3 turboprop patrol planes that the P-8A will replace.
During the invasion of Iraq, he said, the Navy surveillance planes served as "airborne body guards" for combat troops on the ground, "looking over the hill at what's coming at them."
More recently, Frauenzimmer said, the planes have patrolled at night searching for groups planting roadside bombs that would threaten U.S. forces.
Navy Adm. Bill Moran, commander of the patrol and reconnaissance group, said that because of a shortage of reconnaissance assets, ground surveillance in the country's two active wars now accounts for "60 to 70 percent of what we do operationally."
"It was just pure necessity and lack of capacity defensewide," Moran said. And after 2013, "if the world looks like it does today," he added, the P-8A "will be deployed much the same."
The Navy's current Lockheed Martin-built patrol planes entered service in 1962 and a percentage are grounded for repair.
"We've gone about 40 years in the command without that new-car smell," Moran said.
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First Boeing P-8A rolls out of Factory to join USN.
Boeing shows off sub-seeking Poseidon jet
Boeing had a day of celebration Thursday in Renton as it rolled out a new U.S. Navy airplane with all the pomp and ceremony that a military brass band and hundreds of sailors in their dress whites could muster.
As the company struggles to get the 787 Dreamliner into the air in Everett, the Renton party was a welcome affirmation of what Boeing prowess can achieve.
The P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine and patrol airplane, a military version of the workhorse 737 passenger airliner, is a collaboration between Boeing's military and commercial-airplane divisions.
Poseidon is Boeing's largest military project in the Puget Sound region. Most of the 2,000 employees who work on it are locally based.
The Navy will take 117 of the jets, plus eight test airplanes. Boeing anticipates about 100 orders from overseas, including Australia and India. The total program should bring in around $40 billion over 25 years.
Earlier this year, the first two flight-test airplanes hopped over from Renton to Boeing Field, where Boeing defense-side employees are installing systems. Flight tests over Puget Sound will begin in the next couple months.
The plane that was rolled out Thursday, painted white with Navy markings, is the third flight-test airplane.
Boeing hopes the success of the P-8A production model — modifying the airframes for the military mission while on the assembly line — will help it win the pending Air Force refueling-tanker contract, which would entail doing something similar with the wide-body 767.
At the ceremony, Jim Albaugh, CEO of Boeing's defense division, thanked "the men and women of Puget Sound" who built the plane and added that Boeing "hopes to deliver a lot of tankers from here in the years to come."
The P-8A is designed to patrol the oceans, flying low and slow with advanced surveillance systems to hunt enemy submarines, and with the weapons to destroy them.
Originally, that was a Cold War mission, with another superpower as the threat. The Navy wants to maintain that high-tech capability.
But if current anti-insurgency wars persist beyond the new jet's entry into service in 2013, Navy pilots may also find themselves flying surveillance missions over land in support of ground troops.
Attending Thursday's ceremony from his Whidbey Island station, Navy pilot Matt Frauenzimmer said he's flown more than 300 missions in Iraq and Afghanistan on the current P-3 turboprop patrol planes that the P-8A will replace.
During the invasion of Iraq, he said, the Navy surveillance planes served as "airborne body guards" for combat troops on the ground, "looking over the hill at what's coming at them."
More recently, Frauenzimmer said, the planes have patrolled at night searching for groups planting roadside bombs that would threaten U.S. forces.
Navy Adm. Bill Moran, commander of the patrol and reconnaissance group, said that because of a shortage of reconnaissance assets, ground surveillance in the country's two active wars now accounts for "60 to 70 percent of what we do operationally."
"It was just pure necessity and lack of capacity defensewide," Moran said. And after 2013, "if the world looks like it does today," he added, the P-8A "will be deployed much the same."
The Navy's current Lockheed Martin-built patrol planes entered service in 1962 and a percentage are grounded for repair.
"We've gone about 40 years in the command without that new-car smell," Moran said.
Boeing news | Boeing shows off sub-seeking Poseidon jet | Seattle Times Newspaper
Boeing shows off sub-seeking Poseidon jet
Boeing had a day of celebration Thursday in Renton as it rolled out a new U.S. Navy airplane with all the pomp and ceremony that a military brass band and hundreds of sailors in their dress whites could muster.
As the company struggles to get the 787 Dreamliner into the air in Everett, the Renton party was a welcome affirmation of what Boeing prowess can achieve.
The P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine and patrol airplane, a military version of the workhorse 737 passenger airliner, is a collaboration between Boeing's military and commercial-airplane divisions.
Poseidon is Boeing's largest military project in the Puget Sound region. Most of the 2,000 employees who work on it are locally based.
The Navy will take 117 of the jets, plus eight test airplanes. Boeing anticipates about 100 orders from overseas, including Australia and India. The total program should bring in around $40 billion over 25 years.
Earlier this year, the first two flight-test airplanes hopped over from Renton to Boeing Field, where Boeing defense-side employees are installing systems. Flight tests over Puget Sound will begin in the next couple months.
The plane that was rolled out Thursday, painted white with Navy markings, is the third flight-test airplane.
Boeing hopes the success of the P-8A production model — modifying the airframes for the military mission while on the assembly line — will help it win the pending Air Force refueling-tanker contract, which would entail doing something similar with the wide-body 767.
At the ceremony, Jim Albaugh, CEO of Boeing's defense division, thanked "the men and women of Puget Sound" who built the plane and added that Boeing "hopes to deliver a lot of tankers from here in the years to come."
The P-8A is designed to patrol the oceans, flying low and slow with advanced surveillance systems to hunt enemy submarines, and with the weapons to destroy them.
Originally, that was a Cold War mission, with another superpower as the threat. The Navy wants to maintain that high-tech capability.
But if current anti-insurgency wars persist beyond the new jet's entry into service in 2013, Navy pilots may also find themselves flying surveillance missions over land in support of ground troops.
Attending Thursday's ceremony from his Whidbey Island station, Navy pilot Matt Frauenzimmer said he's flown more than 300 missions in Iraq and Afghanistan on the current P-3 turboprop patrol planes that the P-8A will replace.
During the invasion of Iraq, he said, the Navy surveillance planes served as "airborne body guards" for combat troops on the ground, "looking over the hill at what's coming at them."
More recently, Frauenzimmer said, the planes have patrolled at night searching for groups planting roadside bombs that would threaten U.S. forces.
Navy Adm. Bill Moran, commander of the patrol and reconnaissance group, said that because of a shortage of reconnaissance assets, ground surveillance in the country's two active wars now accounts for "60 to 70 percent of what we do operationally."
"It was just pure necessity and lack of capacity defensewide," Moran said. And after 2013, "if the world looks like it does today," he added, the P-8A "will be deployed much the same."
The Navy's current Lockheed Martin-built patrol planes entered service in 1962 and a percentage are grounded for repair.
"We've gone about 40 years in the command without that new-car smell," Moran said.
Boeing news | Boeing shows off sub-seeking Poseidon jet | Seattle Times Newspaper
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This a complete video of P-8A from start to Completion.
it has the same range as the 737-900ER (3200nm)
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it has the same range as the 737-900ER (3200nm)
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P-8A secretly acquires mission to rival Joint STARS
The Boeing P-8A Poseidon has secretly acquired a new role for the US Navy that will transform the maritime patrol aircraft into a rival of the US Air Force's Northrop Grumman E-8C Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System (JSTARS).
Details of the mission surfaced today in a press release issued by Raytheon, which announced receiving a multi-year contract to develop an advanced new radar for the P-8A programme.
According to Raytheon, the advanced airborne sensor (AAS) will become a successor to the littoral surveillance radar system (LSRS), which is operational today on a small subset of the Lockheed P-3C fleet.
As a sensor that can track moving targets on the ground, the canoe-pod LSRS allowed some P-3Cs to shift into the overland surveillance mission, performing a role normally reserved for the USAF's E-8C fleet.
Until the Raytheon announcement, USN officials had never proposed the idea of installing an LSRS-type sensor on the P-8A fleet. Rather, the USN had maintained that the P-8A fleet would be focused on the USN's core maritime patrol mission, and especially dedicated to the anti-submarine warfare threat.
"We will be ready with intelligent technology when the Poseidon takes its place as the Navy's ISR capability in the fleet," said Capt Scott Anderson, AAS and LSRS programme manager, who was quoted in the Raytheon press release.
Neither Raytheon, Boeing nor USN officials were available to comment on the press release today.
The existence of the mechanically-scanned LSRS sensor only became known in 2006, when Boeing announced the system had been used to track moving ground targets and cue a strike by the standoff land attack missile - expanded response (SLAM-ER).
Last year, Raytheon also revealed that the LSRS could track moving targets making a 90-degree turn.
The USN plans to buy 117 P-8As to partly replace the P-3C fleet. Meanwhile, Northrop Grumman is building another 48-68 RQ-4N broad area maritime surveillance (BAMS) aircraft to complete the P-3C replacement.
Boeing formally rolled out the P-8A in a ceremony on 30 July in Renton, Washington, which occurred more than two months after the programme achieved first flight. Boeing also received a new contract on 30 July to start building three more test aircraft, joining five more already on contract.
YouTube - Boeing P-8a Poseidon "sub-hunter"
P-8A secretly acquires mission to rival Joint STARS - The DEW Line
IN first coustemer, so we are going to see this deadly AC by 2015
The Boeing P-8A Poseidon has secretly acquired a new role for the US Navy that will transform the maritime patrol aircraft into a rival of the US Air Force's Northrop Grumman E-8C Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System (JSTARS).
Details of the mission surfaced today in a press release issued by Raytheon, which announced receiving a multi-year contract to develop an advanced new radar for the P-8A programme.
According to Raytheon, the advanced airborne sensor (AAS) will become a successor to the littoral surveillance radar system (LSRS), which is operational today on a small subset of the Lockheed P-3C fleet.
As a sensor that can track moving targets on the ground, the canoe-pod LSRS allowed some P-3Cs to shift into the overland surveillance mission, performing a role normally reserved for the USAF's E-8C fleet.
Until the Raytheon announcement, USN officials had never proposed the idea of installing an LSRS-type sensor on the P-8A fleet. Rather, the USN had maintained that the P-8A fleet would be focused on the USN's core maritime patrol mission, and especially dedicated to the anti-submarine warfare threat.
"We will be ready with intelligent technology when the Poseidon takes its place as the Navy's ISR capability in the fleet," said Capt Scott Anderson, AAS and LSRS programme manager, who was quoted in the Raytheon press release.
Neither Raytheon, Boeing nor USN officials were available to comment on the press release today.
The existence of the mechanically-scanned LSRS sensor only became known in 2006, when Boeing announced the system had been used to track moving ground targets and cue a strike by the standoff land attack missile - expanded response (SLAM-ER).
Last year, Raytheon also revealed that the LSRS could track moving targets making a 90-degree turn.
The USN plans to buy 117 P-8As to partly replace the P-3C fleet. Meanwhile, Northrop Grumman is building another 48-68 RQ-4N broad area maritime surveillance (BAMS) aircraft to complete the P-3C replacement.
Boeing formally rolled out the P-8A in a ceremony on 30 July in Renton, Washington, which occurred more than two months after the programme achieved first flight. Boeing also received a new contract on 30 July to start building three more test aircraft, joining five more already on contract.
YouTube - Boeing P-8a Poseidon "sub-hunter"
P-8A secretly acquires mission to rival Joint STARS - The DEW Line
IN first coustemer, so we are going to see this deadly AC by 2015
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Raytheon Secures Prime Development Contract for Advanced Airborne Sensor
DALLAS, July 31, 2009 /PRNewswire/ -- The U.S. Navy has awarded a multi-year contract authorizing Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) to begin development of the Advanced Airborne Sensor, the follow-on to the Littoral Surveillance Radar System (LSRS).
The AAS program will equip the P-8A Poseidon, the Navy's next patrol maritime aircraft. LSRS is currently operational on Navy P-3C Orions; the AAS will provide airborne radar surveillance with next-generation line-of-site capability.
Awareness and action are critical not only to today's mission, but the ever changing threats of tomorrow. "We will be ready with intelligent technology when the Poseidon takes its place as the Navy's ISR capability in the fleet," said Capt. Scott Anderson, LSRS and AAS program manager.
As the sensor prime contractor, Raytheon will oversee the mission systems integration, consisting of the development, production and installation of the AAS on the Poseidon. Raytheon will work closely with its associate prime contractor, Boeing, for engineering, aircraft modifications, integration and flight test.
"This is a major leap in technology in support of our customer's missions," said Tim Carey, vice president for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Systems. "As the demand for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance systems increases, we are proud to provide our customers with ISR capabilities that are recognized around the world."
By maximizing the incorporation of Commercial Off-The-Shelf (COTS) technologies, the AAS will be highly supportable, maintainable, scalable and upgradeable, reducing unit production and life cycle costs.
Raytheon also provides continuing mission support of Navy operations, logistics and sustaining engineering of LSRS through a previously awarded multi-year performance-based contract.
Raytheon Company, with 2008 sales of $23.2 billion, is a technology and innovation leader specializing in defense, homeland security and other government markets throughout the world. With a history of innovation spanning 87 years, Raytheon provides state-of-the-art electronics, mission systems integration and other capabilities in the areas of sensing; effects; and command, control, communications and intelligence systems, as well as a broad range of mission support services. With headquarters in Waltham, Mass., Raytheon employs 73,000 people worldwide.
Raytheon Secures Prime Development Contract for Advanced Airborne Sensor - Jul 31, 2009
DALLAS, July 31, 2009 /PRNewswire/ -- The U.S. Navy has awarded a multi-year contract authorizing Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) to begin development of the Advanced Airborne Sensor, the follow-on to the Littoral Surveillance Radar System (LSRS).
The AAS program will equip the P-8A Poseidon, the Navy's next patrol maritime aircraft. LSRS is currently operational on Navy P-3C Orions; the AAS will provide airborne radar surveillance with next-generation line-of-site capability.
Awareness and action are critical not only to today's mission, but the ever changing threats of tomorrow. "We will be ready with intelligent technology when the Poseidon takes its place as the Navy's ISR capability in the fleet," said Capt. Scott Anderson, LSRS and AAS program manager.
As the sensor prime contractor, Raytheon will oversee the mission systems integration, consisting of the development, production and installation of the AAS on the Poseidon. Raytheon will work closely with its associate prime contractor, Boeing, for engineering, aircraft modifications, integration and flight test.
"This is a major leap in technology in support of our customer's missions," said Tim Carey, vice president for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Systems. "As the demand for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance systems increases, we are proud to provide our customers with ISR capabilities that are recognized around the world."
By maximizing the incorporation of Commercial Off-The-Shelf (COTS) technologies, the AAS will be highly supportable, maintainable, scalable and upgradeable, reducing unit production and life cycle costs.
Raytheon also provides continuing mission support of Navy operations, logistics and sustaining engineering of LSRS through a previously awarded multi-year performance-based contract.
Raytheon Company, with 2008 sales of $23.2 billion, is a technology and innovation leader specializing in defense, homeland security and other government markets throughout the world. With a history of innovation spanning 87 years, Raytheon provides state-of-the-art electronics, mission systems integration and other capabilities in the areas of sensing; effects; and command, control, communications and intelligence systems, as well as a broad range of mission support services. With headquarters in Waltham, Mass., Raytheon employs 73,000 people worldwide.
Raytheon Secures Prime Development Contract for Advanced Airborne Sensor - Jul 31, 2009
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