p -800 against barack 8

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  1. pack leader

    pack leader Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    Barak 8 and Brahmos will be interesting fight, I think India should test both the system against each other secretly. Data generated will be interesting.
     
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    From what I see in the comparison, Brahmos is way better than Barak 8.

    Brahmos II (hypersonic version) will be deadlier than Thor's hammer.
     
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    p -800 and Brahmos are twins sharing all components except seeker and software
    but i have faith in IAI and elta to spot and destroy p -800
    after all this is our enemy's best anti ship missile ( Syria and china respectably )
     
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    better in what respect? it is a different tool for a different job
     
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    /\/\/\ Sir, how is China an enemy of Israel? Did I miss an important class in history?
     
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    I agree Sir. I meant the parameters in the link that you provided in the first post. Like warhead, range, max speed.
     
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    no i meant china is your main enemy and Syria is our main enemy and both use p-800
    as their main anti ship tool
     
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    Oh! Ok. Let's raise a toast at that. I bring in some JD, you get some hummus and falafel.
     
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    BTW any ship fitted with Israeli EW suit is harpoon proof (our dear "Egyptian friends" have them )
    and so do we but not the export second grad stuff
    so the Pakistani navy will have their hands full
     
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    No it wont OR Very slight chance are there, What makes Oniks/Yakhont/Brahmos deadly is they are impossible to intercept at low altitude, P-800 is extremely fast 2000-3000km/h giving the defending system like barak8 a min or less from 70kms to get a lock is extremely difficult, The Supersonic missles use speed which reduce reaction time of defending system, to kill it, one must increase engagement range..

    The only way is to engage the missile 100km away, Oniks/Yakhont/Brahmos active radar head has a range of 75 km, which means that at this distance from its target it can start pinging it independently (without outside corrections from the launch platform). After it has pinged its target, it dives into the sea-skimming mode.

    Which basically means that the only chance you get to intercept Yakhont is outside of the 75 km radius, when it is still flying at high altitude. Or terminally, with a CIWS, but that is of course more of a Hail Mary pass.
     
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    the Barack 8 is self guided after lunch it uses a jump up look down approach against sea skimming targets
    MF-star will detect the approx missile position and lunch Barack 8 lal
    it has been tested twice already and proved 90% affective against sub sonic missile
    and 80% affective against super sonic missile (your navy was represented in the tests )
    serial production has started and we feel confident
    and nationalistic Russians on mp net are bad sources
     
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    After all the drama of INS vikram-aditiya. We trust Israel more than Russia. At least they are dedicated and punctual unlike Russian who were used to be during USSR
     
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    Seeker ? isn't it guided at radar`s line of sight..

    MF-star may detect it, But engagement zone is still 70kms, If you can get me the reaction time of Barak1 or 8 ?
    70kms is too less for any system to kill a supersonic vehicle at sea-skimming mode..
    LOL.. So you are keeping a track on it..

    He elaborated what i said before..
     
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    Kunal you just copied some other guys comment from Militaryphotos.


    :laugh::laugh::laugh:

    Barak-8 against the Russian P-800 Yakhont - Page 2

    Oh, never mind
     
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    the exact time is opsec but i can tell you that Barack 8 has the best reaction time
    of all existing Israeli missile assets
    and Barack 8 has it's own radar (inside the rocket)
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    So, It fine to post someone else who speak the same but more elaborate way ? ;)

    Nevermind..

    Anyways, To kill P-800 the engagement range should be minimum 100kms..
     
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    1) you have been proven wrong by live fire tests
    2) you will have a Barack 8 ER 120 km range for your mammoth ships (in 2014)
    but our small and medium ships can carry many Barack 8 missiles for self and area protection right now
    because of small size and wight of Barack 8 .
     
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    it is good, we will learn from you and you will learn from us, in way we will protect each other from our enemies. Such type of tests are necessary to understand how latest state of art missiles work and then go in for next generation of missiles. BTW Brahmos corporation is working on Brahmos block II, AVATAR for which Israel is also doing some work and ISRO has some similar project for future.
     
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    Di-spite that MF-STAR can detect seaskimming missiles at 25km most, it further minimize reaction time..

    P-800 assume Sea-skimming mode at 75kms, As i / other said it will be a Hail Mary pass.
     

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