Our country has no (official) name

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  1. EagleOne

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    Is it India, Bharat or Hindustan? Even the Home Ministry doesn't seem to know, reveals RTI query

    IS our country officially called India, Bharat or Hindustan? If you're a little unsure, take heart, for the Home Ministry doesn't know either.

    RTI activist Manoranjan Roy realised this when he filed a query with the Union Home Ministry seeking to clear his doubts on the subject and was told that they had 'no information on the subject'.

    "In English, the country is called India; it is referred to as Bharat in Hindi and in Urdu as Hindustan.

    If our country is called by so many different names, what is its original one? I filed the RTI query to find out exactly that," said Roy.

    The reply (copy with MiD DAY), however, shocked Roy and he now plans to move court. "If a commoner changes his name, he has to go through a legal process.

    However, here the government doesn't even know the official name of the country. I plan to file a PIL to find out if our country has an official name and a national language," he said.

    Language too
    In the same query, Roy also sought to know the national language of the country, to which the information officer replied that there was no mention of national languages in the Constitution.

    Roy was told that, according to Article 343 of the Indian Constitution, Hindi is the official language of the country.

    "According to most experts, 14 languages have been categorised as official languages in the Constitution. Later, one more language was added to the list, taking the number to 15.

    :mad2::mad2::mad2:

    http://timesofindia.hotklix.com/link/News/India/Our-country-has-no-official-name
     
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  3. Yusuf

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    There is no official name of the country and there is no national language. Nothing wrong in the reply. We have many languages and they are all recognized official languages. We don't have a national language.

    India is known by all three names mentioned. Its known as Bharatiya Ganarajya, Republic of India.
     
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    as usual BS reporting by toilet paper of India, effing morons all of them !
    I sometimes wonder if they get a million monkeys with keyboards to type their reports and select the one that makes most sense.

    the first line of the constitution of India states
    from the website of the ministry of law and justice http://lawmin.nic.in/coi/coiason29july08.pdf

    India is an exonym (names given to a country by people from outside) while bharat is the name Indians call their nation by. similarly japan is an exonym while japanse call their nation nippon.
    we call it germany but germans know their country as deutschland. how hard is it, it takes 2 min on wikipedia to find out this information. Exonym and endonym - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    and the idiot RTI activist should have read the constitution first. :rolleyes:
     
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    S.A.T.A Senior Member Senior Member

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    For the past six decades of so India has all but officially circumscribed itself of its national identity which smacks too much of Hindu for our officially secular appetite,hence India officially has ceased to acknowledge her heritage and legacy, until a secular alternative can be safely invented.
     
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    How exactly has that happened? We use bharat and hindustan while referring to our country. How has that "circumscribed our national identity"?
     
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    Republic of India. That's our official name, it's what's printed on our passports, it's how the UN recognizes us.
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Both India and Hindustan are names give by outsiders! The word India comes from the word Hindu, which inturn is born form a name of the river Indus! The people who live by Indus river or past it where called Hindus or Indians in english. Hindustan also was again a word used to by foreigners to denote the place where Hindus lived!

    Bharat is name of an ancient King who ruled India, So India does not have a name technically! :D

    We must rename it as Union of Secular States!
     
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    What the UN recognizes may not be important than what you call your own country. Example is our neighbor in the east. They renamed their country as Myanmar, to the wes,.UN its still Burma.
     
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    But the name "Bharat Varsh" has been around for 3000 years.
     
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    it doesn't get more official than the constitution of the country. bharat AND India are BOTH official names of our country.
     
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    The term Hindu is Persian derivative is well known fact,however the term,atleast in its origin,does not necessarily designate a particular river.The expression Hapta-Hendu found in the Avestan 'Vendidad'(an ancient Persian text pertaining detailing their creation myth) designates the region of hapta-hendu is one of the 16 good lands created by Ahura Mazda,the Persian supreme deity.

    It is a generally well regarded fact that the Avestan vendidad is anterior to the Rg vedic manadalas(10 mandalas or books) and the Rg veda hymns are already replete with expression such as 'sapta sindhava'(place of seven rivers).moreover its a well recognized fact that certian Indo-Aryan phonemes undergo change intheir vocalization when translated into Old-Iranian,esp the 'Sa'.hence we have Sanskrit 'Saraswati' as Harahwati in Avestan and Sanskrit Sapta-sindhu as Hapta Hindu in old-Iranian.

    The significant thing in this genuine grammatical change etween sanksrot and Old-Iraninan is that the change is one sided,only the Sanskrit 'Sa' changes to Iranian 'Ha',not the other way around,hence this helps us conclude that the vendidad hapta-Hendu was borrowed from Vedic sapta-sindhu and in all probability The Old-Iranians using Hapta-hindu as a geographical expression was probably also loan from their indian counterparts.There is nothing however ancient indian historiography to suggest the expression sapta-singhva was used a proper geographical expression.

    However there is ample proof to suggest that Bharatha varsha was used,as a nomenclature,to designate large tracts of indian territory.In fact the earliest attested and verifiable reference to 'Bharata varsha',can be found in the hathigumpa inscriptions of Kharavela II of kalinga(circa 180BCE),where he uses the former expression to identity lands to the north of kalinga.
     
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    The reason why the home ministry refused to acknowledged India as the official name is because the constitution itself does not expressly declare it so,since the national document t was originally drafted in English they used the expression that was prevalent under the raj system and then added the expression 'that is Bharat' to adjudicate the latter as the national expression.

    The Constitution writers probably thought that the term 'India',by itself, as a national expression was a historical misfit.
     
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    some one in MHA should have read Constitution of India before giving reply to that RTI Application.

    Preamble and Article 1 of the Constitution read as under
    Hope it is clear to one and all "India that is Bharat" is name of our Country. Guys Preamble has got those golden words as to what our Constitution should be.
     
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    Sayas Law degree finally to the rescue! May be the should have made Saya the Home Minister! :D
     
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    This is the best and precise response.

    I would second that the name of our country is Republic of India and the official languages are those in the list. There is no national language because India is a multinational country. In the federal context, India is often referred to as the Union of India or Indian Union.

    If one were to be very precise, then the official name of the country is SSSDR of India:
     
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    Russia has many languages, yet name is ONE and only one.

    Most African countries have different tribes speaking different languages, name is One. Canada has one name, more than one languages.
     
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    Russia has many languages like?
    India has far more distinct languages in a single country than any other country. Very rich cultural heritage which is so diverse. We cannot have a national language and that has been discussed here in depth in a separate thread. Too late to develop a national language though Sanskrit could have been if it was widely used and still in use as it's the mother of many languages of India.

    The name of the country is given by someone or the other and it sticks. India,Hindustan both were given by outsiders but it's not off target in describing our country. America too was names by an outsider, so were many other countries.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with keeping all three of these names India, Bharat, Hindustan.


    And for the people saying India and Hindustan was a name given to it by foreigners, so what??

    China, Britain, Germany, France, Philippines, Indonesia, etc, etc, etc, etc are names given by foreigners.. Even the continent called Africa, isn't an indigenous name.

    India isn't just a name, it's also a brand in itself to the western world and beyond. So dont even think about changing it to 'Bharat'. Its like changing the name of Coca Cola.

    India has three names, 2 of which most people dont need to know about.
     
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    Exactly. It has been a uniting name of so many different regions. A tribute to our previous generations that they managed to hold the country together despite being so diverse.
     
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