Oppression in Balochistan and its struggle for freedom

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Yes, it's as real as Kashmir, Assam, Nagalim, Tripura, and Khalistan freedom movements.
Assam? Are you referring to Gorkhaland? That was an agitation for a separate STATE, not a separate nation. Most nationalist Indians actually supported Gorkhaland so that it gets saved from dysfunctional West Bengal. But I guess pakis don't understand concepts like this, since you don't even have an understanding of federalism, or the difference between a state and a nation.

Paki media did the same nonsense regarding Telangana, saying that it wanted to be an independent nation, rather than a separate state that it was demanding. LOL. This is where you idiots get the hilarious figure of "22 independence movements in India" from. I guess according to your logic Uttaranchal, Jharkhand and Haryana were also independence movements and are now separate countries.

As far as Khalistan is concerned, it has more of a chance becoming a reality in Canada than in India. Go ask any Indian Sikh about his view on the matter, he will put his dick in your porki mouth. Tripura is also something you dreamed up, since there isn't any separatist movement there. The north eastern militants have outright surrendered and entered mainstream politics, the ones who haven't have run away to Myanmar. In fact, the one things North Easterners are united about is their hatred for illegal muslims coming over from Bangladesh and Myanmar. Nagaland just wants electricity and jobs, which is being provided at a rapid pace.

Kashmir valley is the only somewhat sensible example you brought up, but everyone knows you can't take it from us, and we aren't leaving. So no point in that either. And only the valley is a trouble spot, Jammu and Ladakh are absolutely fine.
 

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Newspapers not delivered in Balochistan amid threats

QUETTA: Newspapers were not distributed in the city and other parts of the province on Tuesday as hawkers and agents refrained from delivering them due to threats hurled by banned militant organisations.


The organisations are demanding the media publish statements about their activities and have threatened to stop distribution of newspapers in any area of the province.

Furthermore, a leader of the Anjuman-i-Akhbar Froshan, Yousaf Baloch, has asked newspaper owners not to send copies of their dailies from Wednesday onwards to the market as hawkers will not deliver them to their clients in view of the looming threats.

Though newspapers were published in Quetta and were even sent to the market on Tuesday, majority of hawkers and agents did not deliver the editions in the city.

However, a few hawkers dared to deliver them in some areas.

Besides, transporters also refused to take newspaper bundles to other towns and cities in central, southern and western parts of Balochistan.

The Anjuman-i-Akhbar Froshan leader has also asked the media houses of other provinces to stop sending newspapers, while agents have also requested media owners of other provinces not to send newspapers.

Meanwhile, the Deputy Inspector General of Quetta has asked the media houses’ owners and editors to publish their editions which he assured would be delivered amid tight security.

However, media houses are in a fix whether to publish their editions.

 

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I don't think you know that Balochistan was forcefully occupied by the barrel of the gun in 1948 by the Paki Army. The then Baloch Parliament had earlier passed a resolution to stay independent. But what did the pussy Islamic Army of Porkistan do? They tore the resolution to shreds and took over Balochistan by force.
:lol: Where did you learn this from?

There was never a Balochistan parliament, nor was there a country or state by name of Balochistan.

About half of Balochistan was under direct British rule, while the rest were under 4 princely states.

The Shahi Jirga of Balochistan and the Quetta municipality voted to join Pakistan on 29 June, 1947.

Three of the four princely states; Makran, Las Bela, and Kharan acceded to Pakistan while Kalat entered into an agreement with Pakistan over prolonged negotiations.

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The State of Kalat was split over the decision, it's population and sardars were Baloch and favored Pakistan while the leadership (Khan of Kalat himself was Pashtun) was Pashtun and favored independence or autonomy.

Under domestic pressure, the Khan of Kalat signed the instrument of succession - his brother, Prince Abdul Karim (who favored independence) fled to Afghanistan and revolted against his brother.

Abdul Karim tried to gain more followers, but he failed and much of his men were Afghan mercenaries. Desertion rates were so high that he had to form a special branch called the "Janbaz" in order to find and kill those who tried to flee or defect.

The State of Kalat issued a royal firman(decree) stating "that the Prince and his party were to be regarded as a rebel group; no connection of any sort with the Prince and his party should be maintained, nor should they be given rations; further, if any member of the rebel group committed an offence, he would be punished."

With Afghan support; Abdul Karim crossed into Balochistan and invaded the region, he was met with fierce resistance from local Baloch tribesmen, the state forces of Kalat and the seventh regiment. His army quickly disintegrated and his men either fled, surrendered or were killed. Abdul Karim and 142 of his followers surrendered and were imprisoned. Thus ending the confusing ordeal.

Do you as a Baloch have no frikkin shame? You get raped by the Porkis in 1948, your independence is snatched, and you're still happy about it? Jeeez!
We joined Pakistan on our own and today we are an integral part of Pakistan.

UNHRC has also raised questions on the incessant disappearances in Sindh.

Perhaps you haven't seen enough news. Baloch rebels are against Pakistan occupation and cpec as well.
You're right, I have not seen enough Indian news.

BLA terrorists were against any form of development; they attacked schools, wells, bridges, clinics, job centers, foreign aid workers, minority places of worship, other ethnic groups (such as Pashtuns and Hazaras), electricity distribution centers, water filter plants and so much more. That's why local popular forces, tribal militias and the Pakistan army rammed their asses into isolated mountains and most famously; the internet.

It's not for no reason that every time your stupid leaders go to Europe they face a baloch freedom protest.
:rotfl:

Thanks for reminding me about this one. I went to go and check out a "Baloch freedom protest" in New York once and not to my surprise, 95% of them were Indians, a couple of local hobos were also participating. None of the could speak Baloch.

It highlights how obsessed you guys are.

Comeone, do any of these guys look Baloch to you? :lol:







May be the profile which is circulating fake pics is also created by ISI rouges so that they can do spin off's. Cheap tricks from cyber wing of ISPR.
Haha, always blame ISI and ISPR.
I'm sorry, but we're not as obsessive as Indians. Also, if they are being created by ISI and ISPR, than 95% of this thread is filled with information from ISI and ISPR. :pound:

Pakistani establishment is a sell out and hell bent on using its rougue agencies like ISI and Army to create mayhem and chaos in this region.
Pakistan Army and the ISI is a stabilizing force, ask the Hindu minority in Balochistan about before and after Pakistan Army got more involved in the area.

Genocide in Baluchistan is real and the world knows that.
If genocide in Balochistan is real, then why aren't countries condemning Pakistan?

Where are the Baloch refugees fleeing this genocide?

Why have I not seen any signs of genocide from my 14 years of living in Balochistan?

Why is there around 80,000-100,000 Baloch serving in various security forces of Pakistan?

Why are all Baloch tribes such as the Marri, Bugti, Mengal and etc... pro-Pakistani and have their own militias against secessionist terrorist groups?

Why are "Baloch Freedom forces" such as the BLA designated as terrorist groups by major countries such as the UK?

Most of the soldiers in Balochistan are Baloch, why are they killing their own people?

I could go on and on, but I hope you get the point.

Gunship helicopters in Sui. What are armed gunships doing in Balochistan?
Not from Sui, this is where the original picture came from - http://www.khaama.com/pakistani-gunship-helicopters-attack-dandam-district-in-kunar-8175

I wish we had more gunships in Balochistan, that way terrorists could get blown to hell faster.

Pakistan army's war crime - abducting Baloch women from Marri area, Balochistan...



:bounce:

http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/pakistan-army-abducting-pashtun-women/

As a Baloch have you no shame left? You should have been fighting for freedom from this genocide by the Paki Army, but instead you are busy licking their asses.
I'm not going to fight for freedom from my own country because an Indian is telling me under the pretext of a false genocide.

Assam? Are you referring to Gorkhaland? That was an agitation for a separate STATE, not a separate nation. Most nationalist Indians actually supported Gorkhaland so that it gets saved from dysfunctional West Bengal. But I guess pakis don't understand concepts like this, since you don't even have an understanding of federalism, or the difference between a state and a nation.
5x more people have died in the North East Indian insurgency than they have had in Balochistan insurgency.
 
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Yes, it's as real as Kashmir, Assam, Nagalim, Tripura, and Khalistan freedom movements.
You are interfering in India so these things are happening. India can give the UN clear link b/w you and these small agitations which are dying.Forgot Ajmal Kasab nd more like that.

The day India starts interfering, in your daily routine you will be blessed with one more Bangladesh!
 

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:lol: Where did you learn this from?

There was never a Balochistan parliament, nor was there a country or state by name of Balochistan.

About half of Balochistan was under direct British rule, while the rest were under 4 princely states.

The Shahi Jirga of Balochistan and the Quetta municipality voted to join Pakistan on 29 June, 1947.

Three of the four princely states; Makran, Las Bela, and Kharan acceded to Pakistan while Kalat entered into an agreement with Pakistan over prolonged negotiations.

----

The State of Kalat was split over the decision, it's population and sardars were Baloch and favored Pakistan while the leadership (Khan of Kalat himself was Pashtun) was Pashtun and favored independence or autonomy.

Under domestic pressure, the Khan of Kalat signed the instrument of succession - his brother, Prince Abdul Karim (who favored independence) fled to Afghanistan and revolted against his brother.

Abdul Karim tried to gain more followers, but he failed and much of his men were Afghan mercenaries. Desertion rates were so high that he had to form a special branch called the "Janbaz" in order to find and kill those who tried to flee or defect.

The State of Kalat issued a royal firman(decree) stating "that the Prince and his party were to be regarded as a rebel group; no connection of any sort with the Prince and his party should be maintained, nor should they be given rations; further, if any member of the rebel group committed an offence, he would be punished."

With Afghan support; Abdul Karim crossed into Balochistan and invaded the region, he was met with fierce resistance from local Baloch tribesmen, the state forces of Kalat and the seventh regiment. His army quickly disintegrated and his men either fled, surrendered or were killed. Abdul Karim and 142 of his followers surrendered and were imprisoned. Thus ending the confusing ordeal.


We joined Pakistan on our own and today we are an integral part of Pakistan.


You're right, I have not seen enough Indian news.

BLA terrorists were against any form of development; they attacked schools, wells, bridges, clinics, job centers, foreign aid workers, minority places of worship, other ethnic groups (such as Pashtuns and Hazaras), electricity distribution centers, water filter plants and so much more. That's why local popular forces, tribal militias and the Pakistan army rammed their asses into isolated mountains and most famously; the internet.


:rotfl:

Thanks for reminding me about this one. I went to go and check out a "Baloch freedom protest" in New York once and not to my surprise, 95% of them were Indians, a couple of local hobos were also participating. None of the could speak Baloch.

It highlights how obsessed you guys are.

Comeone, do any of these guys look Baloch to you? :lol:








Haha, always blame ISI and ISPR.
I'm sorry, but we're not as obsessive as Indians. Also, if they are being created by ISI and ISPR, than 95% of this thread is filled with information from ISI and ISPR. :pound:


Pakistan Army and the ISI is a stabilizing force, ask the Hindu minority in Balochistan about before and after Pakistan Army got more involved in the area.


If genocide in Balochistan is real, then why aren't countries condemning Pakistan?

Where are the Baloch refugees fleeing this genocide?

Why have I not seen any signs of genocide from my 14 years of living in Balochistan?

Why is there around 80,000-100,000 Baloch serving in various security forces of Pakistan?

Why are all Baloch tribes such as the Marri, Bugti, Mengal and etc... pro-Pakistani and have their own militias against secessionist terrorist groups?

Why are "Baloch Freedom forces" such as the BLA designated as terrorist groups by major countries such as the UK?

Most of the soldiers in Balochistan are Baloch, why are they killing their own people?

I could go on and on, but I hope you get the point.


Not from Sui, this is where the original picture came from - http://www.khaama.com/pakistani-gunship-helicopters-attack-dandam-district-in-kunar-8175

I wish we had more gunships in Balochistan, that way terrorists could get blown to hell faster.


:bounce:

http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/pakistan-army-abducting-pashtun-women/


I'm not going to fight for freedom from my own country because an Indian is telling me under the pretext of a false genocide.


5x more people have died in the North East Indian insurgency than they have had in Balochistan insurgency.
Bhaijan you nailed it.................. :hail:
 

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@Neo and @Hamza Baloch why should we even believe you so do you mean that all the disappearances are fake and are arranged by the Baluchis themselves it is funny that you fight thoot and nail to defend an illegally occupied land like Baluchistan which that bloody son of a whore called your Quid e Azam killed by treachery today Irony has died a rather painful death
 

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@Hamza Baloch Give answer to a few question to this obsessive Indian. Just a yes or no would suffice.

1)Does Pakistan shelter/sheltered terrorists?
3) Is/Are terrorists from groups like Lashkar/Taliban/Al Qaeda etc a hero of Pak?
2) Was Osama found/killed in Pakistan?
4)Did Pakistan army do the Kargil?
5)Are Haqqani network operating and supported by Pakistan or no?
6)Did Pakistan send its tribal militia in Kashmir in 1947 or not?
7)What's the state of media in Balochistan, does it have freedom to cover stories in the region free from threats by country's own establishments?
 
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@Hamza Baloch Give answer to a few question to this obsessive Indian. Just a yes or no would suffice.

1)Does Pakistan shelter/sheltered terrorists?
3) Is/Are terrorists from groups like Lashkar/Taliban/Al Qaeda etc a hero of Pak?
2) Was Osama found/killed in Pakistan?
4)Did Pakistan army do the Kargil?
5)Are Haqqani network operating and supported by Pakistan or no?
6)Did Pakistan send its tribal militia in Kashmir in 1947 or not?
7)What's the state of media in Balochistan, does it have freedom to cover stories in the region free from threats by country's own establishments?
You have total rights for media coverage in baloochistan. After you cover the story, you die. That's the only catch.

It's a one time deal. Take it or leave it.

Sent from my Redmi 4A using Tapatalk
 

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5x more people have died in the North East Indian insurgency than they have had in Balochistan insurgency.[/QUOTE]
Still doesn't answer the question. It wasn't in Assam, it was mostly Nagaland and Manipur. Yup, pretty obvious you just made up Assam after reading the Gorkhaland news. .And what proof is there of only one fifth of that number dying in Balochistan? Honest paki army? LOL.
 

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A brief history of Balochistan. Im(posters) arguing the validity of Baloch insurgency should read the way their Quaid e Azam decieved Khan of Kalat.
Its by a Pak newspaper for Pak awam.

How Balochistan became a part of Pakistan – a historical perspective
The true history of Balochistan is never shared or talked about among the general public of Pakistan

7:14 PM, December 05, 2015


Balochistan consists of the south west of Pakistan. In the west it borders with Afghanistan and Iran and in the south it has the Arabian Sea. It accounts for nearly half the land mass of Pakistan and only 3.6% of its total population. The province is immensely rich in natural resources, including oil, gas, copper and gold. Despite these huge deposits of mineral wealth, the area is one of the poorest regions of Pakistan. A vast majority of its population lives in deplorable housing conditions where they don’t have access to electricity or clean drinking water. Before the partition of India and Pakistan,Balochistan consisted of four princely states under the British Raj. These were Kalat , Lasbela, Kharan and Makran. Two of these provinces, Lasbela and Kharan, were fiduciary states placed under Khan ofKalat 's rule by the British, as was Makran which was a district of Kalat . Three months before the formation of Pakistan, Muhammed Ali Jinnah had negotiated the freedom of Baluchistan under Kalatfrom the British. Discussions were made aboutKalat 's relationship with Pakistan as it was formed. This ensued a series of meetings between the Viceroy, as the Crown’s Representative, Jinnah and the Khan of Kalat . This resulted in a communique on August 11, 1947, which stated that: a. The Government of Pakistan recognizes Kalat as an independent sovereign state in treaty relations with the British Government with a status different from that of Indian States. b. Legal opinion will be sought as to whether or not agreements of leases will be inherited by the Pakistan Government. c. Meanwhile, a Standstill Agreement has been made between Pakistan and Kalat . d. Discussions will take place between Pakistan and Kalat at Karachi at an early date with a view to reaching decisions on Defence, External Affairs and Communications.
Referring to a telegram of October 17, 1947 from Grafftey-Smith, the Political Department, in a note on Pakistan-Kalat negotiations, says that Jinnah had second thoughts regarding the recognition ofKalat as an independent sovereign state, and was now desirous of obtaining its accession in the same form as was accepted by other rulers who joined Pakistan. The same note mentioned that an interesting situation is developing as Pakistan might accept the accession of Kalat’s two feudatories, Lasbela and Kharan.

By October 1947, Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah had a change of heart on the recognition ofKalat as an “Independent and a Sovereign State”, and wanted the Khan to sign the same form of instrument of accession as the other states which had joined Pakistan. The Khan was unwilling to abandon the nominally achieved independent status but ready to concede on defence, foreign affairs and communications. However, he was unwilling to sign either a treaty or an Instrument, until and unless he had got a satisfactory agreement on the leased areas. Fears were also being voiced that officials of the Government of Pakistan might start dealing with the two feudatories of Las Bela and Kharan, and accept their de facto accession.
By February 1948, the discussions between Kalatand the Government of Pakistan were coming to a head. The Quaid wrote to the Khan of Kalat : “I advise you to join Pakistan without further delay…and let me have your final reply which you promised to do after your stay with me in Karachi when we fully discussed the whole question in all its aspects.” On February 15, 1948, Jinnah visited Sibi, Baluchistan and addressed a Royal Durbar, where he announced that until the Pakistan Constitution is finally written in about two years’ time, he would govern the province with the help of an advisory council that he would nominate. However, the main reason for Jinnah’s visit was to persuade the Khan of Kalat to accede to Pakistan. As it transpired, the Khan failed to turn up for the final meeting with him, pleading illness. In his letter to Jinnah, he said that he had summoned both Houses of the Parliament, Dar-ul-Umara and Dar-ul-Awam, for their opinion about the future relations with the Dominion of Pakistan, and he would inform him about their opinion by the end of the month.

When the Dar-ul-Awam of Kalat met on February 21, 1948, it decided not to accede, but to negotiate a treaty to determine Kalat’s future relations with Pakistan. On March 9, 1948 the Khan received communication from JInnah announcing that he had decided not to deal personally with the Kalatstate negotiations, which would henceforth be dealt with by the Pakistan Government. So far there had not been any formal negotiations but only an informal request made by Jinnah to the Khan at Sibi.
The US Ambassador to Pakistan in his dispatch home on March 23, 1948 informed that on March 18, “Kharan, Lasbela and Mekran, feudatory states of Kalat” had acceded to Pakistan. The Khan ofKalat objected to their accession, arguing that it was a violation of Kalat’s Standstill Agreement with Pakistan. He also said that while Kharan and Lasbela were its feudatories, Mekran was a district of Kalat . The British Government had placed the control of the foreign policy of the two feudatories under Kalat in July 1947, prior to partition.

On March 26, 1948, the Pakistan Army was ordered to move into the Baloch coastal region of Pasni, Jiwani and Turbat. This was the first act of aggression prior to the march on Kalat by a Pakistani military detachment on April 1, 1948. Kalatcapitulated on March 27 after the army moved into the coastal region and it was announced in Karachi that the Khan of Kalat has agreed to merge his state with Pakistan. Jinnah accepted this accession under the gun. It should be noted that theBalochistan Assembly had already rejected any suggestion of forfeiting the independence ofBalochistan on any pretext. So even the signature of the Khan of Kalat taken under the barrel of the gun, was not viable, because the parliament had rejected the accession and the accession was never mandated by the British Empire either, who had given Balochistan under Kalat independence before India. The sovereign Baloch state after British withdrawal from India lasted only 227 days. During this time Baluchistan had a flag flying in its embassy in Karachi where its ambassador to Pakistan lived. To say that the Baloch have been ill-treated by all governments and military establishments since their land was illegally and forcefully taken over would be an understatement. As a result there have been continuous insurgencies, the largest of which was started in 2006 after the killing of Sardar Akber Bugti and 26 of his tribesmen by the Pakistan Army. A 2006 report by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) documented arbitrary arrests and detentions, torture, extra judicial and summary executions, disappearances and the use of excessive and indiscriminate violence by the Pakistan police, military, security agencies and intelligence forces. These figures are corroborated by Amnesty International. Kachkol Ali Baloch who is the former leader of Opposition in the BalochistanAssembly, alleged that about 4,000 people have been either missing or are detained without trial. The missing persons included around 1,000 students and political activists. Lately his own son was kidnapped and was finally released after being held captive for 14 months. Sardar Akhter Mengal, leader of the Baloch Nationalist Party (BNP) was one of the people arrested in 2006 on framed terrorism charges. The reality was he was planning a long march against the then President of Pakistan General Pervez Musharraf. He was later released in 2008 and all cases against him were dropped. The current Chief Minister of Balochistan , Dr. Abdul Malik Baloch, recently spoke at a seminar held in Punjab called ‘Stability in Balochistan – Challenges and possibilities”. He clearly stated that if the Baloch people are not given a right to the resources of their province, we would be looking at yet another insurgency and no one will be able to control it.
 

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15 Punjabi FWO workers neutralized by Baloch sarmachars

Poor villagers (several of them were Christian) spent their life-savings to get smuggled into Europe but ended up getting sold to terrorists. The BLF commander Younas Taukali who was responsible for the massacre was hunted down and killed 20 km from the site. The human smugglers that sold them were arrested. Further investigation and operations are underway.
 
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5x more people have died in the North East Indian insurgency than they have had in Balochistan insurgency.[/QUOTE]

Still doesn't answer the question. It wasn't in Assam, it was mostly Nagaland and Manipur. Yup, pretty obvious you just made up Assam after reading the Gorkhaland news. .And what proof is there of only one fifth of that number dying in Balochistan? Honest paki army? LOL.

look at Indian population
and look at Pakistan's population

still Pakistan has higher causality rate because of their own deeds.
 

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Poor villagers (several of them were Christian) spent their life-savings to get smuggled into Europe but ended up getting sold to terrorists. The BLF commander Younas Taukali who was responsible for the massacre was hunted down and killed 20 km from the site. The human smugglers that sold them were arrested. Further investigation and operations are underway.
What happened Mr. Ganja Baloch? You were trying to debunk Indian propaganda. I asked you a few question, don't you want to answer just like @Neo ? Did @Neo hire you to troll here as he seems to get very lonely by himself?
 

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