One Of The Best Arguments.!! I have ever read....Don't miss a single word..:)

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  1. swag5

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    An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.
    ... He asks one of his new students to stand and…..

    Prof: So you believe in God?

    Student: Absolutely, sir.

    Prof: Is God good?

    Student: Sure.

    Prof: Is God all-powerful?

    Student: Yes..

    Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn’t. How is this God good then? Hmm?
    (Student is silent.)

    Prof: You can’t answer, can you? Let’s start again, young fella. Is God good?

    Student: Yes.

    Prof: Is Satan good?

    Student: No.

    Prof: Where does Satan come from?

    Student: From….God…

    Prof: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

    Student: Yes.

    Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything. Correct?

    Student: Yes.

    Prof: So who created evil?
    (Student does not answer.)

    Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?

    Student: Yes, sir.

    Prof: So, who created them?
    (Student has no answer.)

    Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son…Have you ever seen God?

    Student: No, sir.

    Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

    Student: No, sir.

    Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

    Student: No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

    Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

    Student: Yes.

    Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn’t exist.
    What do you say to that, son?

    Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

    Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

    Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

    Prof: Yes.

    Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

    Prof: Yes.

    Student: No sir. There isn’t.
    (The lecture the after becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

    Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat..
    But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it .
    (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

    Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

    Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

    Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright
    light, flashing light…..But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

    Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

    Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

    Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

    Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought.. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is
    not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.
    Now tell me, Professor.Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

    Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

    Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
    (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

    Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.)

    Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
    (The class breaks out into laughter.)

    Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
    (The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

    Prof: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

    Student: That is it sir… The link between man&god is FAITH . That is all that keeps things moving&alive.

    I believe you have enjoyed the conversation…an d if so…you’ll probably want your friends/colleag ues to enjoy the same…won’t you?….this is a true story, and the

    student was none other than …….
    APJ Abdul Kalam, the former President of India
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    BS ! This is one of those stupid chain mails

    The student can't be Kalam, he's wouldn't make such nonsensical arguments

    :facepalm:
     
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    LOL This has to go under Jokes Thread....this is definitely not APJ :)
     
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    His arguement his not nonsensical...some ppl say it ws albert einstien...but 'viewpoint' is important than the person..
     
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    Yeah, the argument was stupid and full of flaws.

    You CAN observe evolution, actually.
     
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    It is nonsensical

    example

    Put the professor in an MRI machine and you can 'see' his brain.

    Similarly, evolution is proved by empirical methods
     
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    swag5 Regular Member

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    It's a scanned image dude..not the original one...
    Oh you can feel,smell and touch it in mri scan ah...?
     
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    :facepalm:

    Have you ever seen, touched and smelt Angelina Jolie ? How can you prove that she exists ?

    I can go on with these verbal gymnastics....the stuff in the conversation would not stand up to scientific rigor
     
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    Hmm...in tat sense...existence of god doesn't need scientific approval or proofs..
     
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    Not sure what you're hinting at. But science can't reject god, same way it can't reject harry potter too
     
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    Here's a real human brain for you.

    [​IMG]

    You can see it, smell it, touch it, and even taste it *not recommended*.
     
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    I do not believe in atheism.
    I don't have proof for the existence of god, just as atheists don't have proof that god doesn't exist..
    My belief in God may just be my brain rationalizing to put me at ease when faced with stress and trouble, but, if my faith in God is able to get me through my tense and testing times, then for me, that is enough..
     
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    Fair enough :thumb:
     
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    civfanatic Retired Moderator

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    Yes, people have the right to believe in whatever they want. I respect that.
     
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    As for as i'm concerned,that arguement is for the ppl who asks you to show god..in that situation..that sent ws indeed true..
    "professor's brain"...not a googled image..
     
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    I even saw a utube videa and that had exact comment . only difference it had was that it was about someone from Europe no Kalam. Its just CTRL+C and CRTL+V work of someone.
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    I say that batman is god.

    prove me wrong.
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    And the argument of the student is childish. He'd be laughed off in a real debate with a scientist.
     
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    You want to see your professor's brain? Have them do a brain autopsy when he dies.

    The brain is a tangible thing. God is not.
     

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