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A Chinese Fairy Tale That Might Turn Into A Nightmare For Pakistan

There is a fairy tale story that says Islamabad, following the yellow bricks of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), will find prosperity in the embrace of Beijing. The plot line says Chinese funds will flow into Pakistan and help modernise the latter’s infrastructure; this in turn will usher in a boom period for Pakistan’s domestic economy, part of which will derive from an ability to export more. While Pakistan’s external debt and even current account deficit may rise sharply initially as it sucks in Chinese capital and machinery, this will all be capacity-building investment and will provide future returns that will more than compensate for the original payout.

Trade figures for the first half of 2016 show that Chinese imports into Pakistan have surged by nearly 30 per cent. This reflects a huge surge in power-generating material, construction and mining equipment and agricultural machinery – more or less what would be expected going by the above script.

However, there has also been an 8 per cent drop in Pakistan’s exports to China – a surprise given the improving transport links between the two countries. Islamabad has publicly blamed barriers to Pakistani exports that Beijing has put in place and a free trade agreement that is tilted against Pakistan, throwing into question Beijing’s motives in building the corridor.

The Chinese imports have contributed to a surge in Pakistan’s trade deficit: This rose 77.34 per cent in March, year on year. Worse, Pakistan’s current account deficit widened a staggering 121 per cent between July last year and February. Pakistan is heading for a current account deficit, as a percentage of GDP, about double that of India’s. The deficit is also remarkable given the supposed billions of dollars of Chinese investment that was supposed to come into the country with the corridor. In fact FDI into Pakistan during that same eight-month period was less than $1.3 billion, underlining how much of the corridor is being financed by debt or by intra-Chinese transfers.

Some Pakistani economists are already fretting about what this could mean. Estimates show Pakistan will have to pay $90 billion back to China over the next 30 years because of the corridor. This is not impossible, so long as Pakistan attracts capital and exports more during that time. The present export and FDI figures, however, show no evidence of this happening.

So far, the benefits seem to be accruing solely on Beijing’s side of the ledger. If this trend continues as the CPEC expands and develops, Pakistan’s fairy tale may slowly metamorphose into a horror movie.
 

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Alessandro Ripa, an expert on Chinese infrastructure projects at Ludwig Maximilian University Munich, said the highway “is not very relevant to overall trade” because “the sea route is just cheaper and faster”.
Exactly! Sea routes over the same distance and tonnage are 17 times cheaper than land routes!
 

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Exactly! Sea routes over the same distance and tonnage are 17 times cheaper than land routes!
Trade is just a ruse. CPEC (and to a larger extent, OBOR) is nothing more than a strategic investment for future power projection, and getting out of the geographical lock that China finds itself in. Any benefits from trade are just a byproduct.
 

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Exactly! Sea routes over the same distance and tonnage are 17 times cheaper than land routes!
It is true only if the distance and tonnage is the same. But the thing is you keeping thinking the wrong way. As I pointed out before, Chinese is changing their industrial map, in next 10-20 years, the major industrial base for low-end products will be in Western China or Inland China. If they continue to use the existing sea routes, then their exportation will have to a land route of same length as CPEC before reaching eastern Chinese coast, then from there, spend 30-40 days on the sea route before to get to middle east.
 

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It is true only if the distance and tonnage is the same. But the thing is you keeping thinking the wrong way. As I pointed out before, Chinese is changing their industrial map, in next 10-20 years, the major industrial base for low-end products will be in Western China or Inland China. If they continue to use the existing sea routes, then their exportation will have to a land route of same length as CPEC before reaching eastern Chinese coast, then from there, spend 30-40 days on the sea route before to get to middle east.
Who are you trying to fool? Nobody lives in Western China. The total population of Xinjiang + Tibet is about that of Taiwan - it is unskilled, and spread out over an area almost the size of India's. What sort of industrial base are you going to set up there? You're throwing $50+ billion down the toilet that is Pakistan for an illiterate population of Taiwan's size? That makes even less economic sense than land transport.

CCP is not fooling anyone (except its own public and Porkistan).

CPEC is to economically enslave Pakistan, dump cheap goods there, basically supplant local industry with Chinese convicts and companies that are banned everywhere else. Porkis willing to be enslaved, so why not. That's 50%. The other 50% is to build Gwadar into a military base.
 

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It is true only if the distance and tonnage is the same. But the thing is you keeping thinking the wrong way. As I pointed out before, Chinese is changing their industrial map, in next 10-20 years, the major industrial base for low-end products will be in Western China or Inland China. If they continue to use the existing sea routes, then their exportation will have to a land route of same length as CPEC before reaching eastern Chinese coast, then from there, spend 30-40 days on the sea route before to get to middle east.
any industrial manufacturing base needs water, there is a limit to availability of water in western china. slim chance of western china being any industrial hub.
 

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Chinese language centres to be set up in four KP districts


PESHAWAR: Chief Minister Pervez Khattak has agreed to a proposal for establishing Chinese language centres in Peshawar, Abbottabad, Haripur and Mansehra in the backdrop of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

Presiding over the 36th meeting of the board of directors of Frontier Education Foundation at the Chief Minister Secretariat here, Mr Khattak said that in the second phase such centres would be established in the southern districts and Malakand division that would enable the youth to benefit from CPEC and contribute to the process of development in the province.

According to a statement issued here, provincial minister for finance Muzaffar Said, advisor to chief minister on higher education Mushtaq Ahmad Ghani, secretary higher education and others attended the meeting.

The chief minister approved the release of Rs284 million grant to the Frontier Education Foundation. He also approved the upgradation of posts from BPS-16 to BPS-17 to the master’s degree holders and scholarships out of the endowment fund. He directed to evolve a strategy to financially support the private colleges in areas where there was shortage of public sector colleges.



Mr Khattak said that the government wanted to promote education in backward areas.

The meeting discussed Khyber Pakhtunkhwa China Economic Cooperation Plan and different strategies, budget estimates of the foundation and future plan for financial help to private educational institutions.

It was told about the student scholarships from different Chinese Universities, adding that 100 scholarships had been arranged in the Shangdong Normal University and the scholars would be sent in September. The scholars have been given 50 per cent concession in tuition and residential fee. In Harbin Engineering University and Shanghai University 100 each scholarships on the same pattern have been given while 40 scholarships are ready in the Tianjin Modern Vocational Technology College for diploma.

It was also added that the belt and road commercial company had also offered vocational, technical and professional training. In this regard, 300 students who got scholarships would be sent to China after a special event this month.

The meeting was told that of the four centres three of Peshawar, Abbottabad and Haripur would be made functional by Aug 10. The chief minister was informed that census of the private education sector would be held in 14 districts of the province in the first phase.

Published in Dawn, August 7th, 2017
 

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CCP is not fooling anyone (except its own public and Porkistan).
CPEC is to economically enslave Pakistan, dump cheap goods there, basically supplant local industry with Chinese convicts and companies that are banned everywhere else. .
absolutely spot in !!!
Chinese language centres to be set up in four KP districts


PESHAWAR: Chief Minister Pervez Khattak has agreed to a proposal for establishing Chinese language centres in Peshawar, Abbottabad, Haripur and Mansehra in the backdrop of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.
wtf is going on ?????????
well basically it is to dumb down the pack people and offer them some lollipops in return and gain there land for a few lollipops

as i stated in another post china is a high pop density people looking for low pop density land to occupy ....they will by a slew of measures reduce the original people to become insignificant eg birth control, putting junk in the drinking tap water , separating the men from their women, diluting the original culture eg right here by introducing mandarin culture and language ---- so it's already started in the guise of later giving them scholarships to china universities ...giving the men jobs in guangdong toy factories and the women dancing jobs in peking , rending ng the men psychologically useless by high unemployment and outright hanging those who speak up to warn the others .....this is wht will happen in packland on a step by step basis and it will never be obvious at the start .....they will make sure they give the packs lots of lollipops to keep the distracted to what is truly happening to them

it is also particularly interesting that these chinese language cultural dilution centres are being built in the taleban areas ....so chia wants to dilute the talibs so that they dont attack china investments in packland
 
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Pakistan and PRC is one of the most one sided relationship ...

Pakis ought to be proud of what PRC has achieved because of them.

Yet what is proclaimed is PRC is teaching Pakis and feel they are inferior.
 

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Stage 3 is ASSIMILATION by the Borgs. It's started.

I predict that by 2025-26, Pak will become the 6th administrative region of China.
 

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So basically they want to train their Slave DOGS (porki people) before they start settling Chinese PLA and Businessmen there and take over their land and these chutiya Porkies are actually going to pay for getting trained.

Bhai Yeh Log To Kutte Se Bhi Gaye Gujare Hain, at least people pay to train their dogs but in this case DOGS (porkies) will pay to get themselves trained so that they can wag their tail in Chinese......:pound::pound::pound::pound:
Its a chinese ploy to hit the pakistani masses with propaganda.This is how its done. Such will ensure that pakis will work for their chinese masters and obey orders.
pakistan who is already in an identity crisis will sink down into the deepest pit even more. pakistanis are stupid and confused.
 

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Pakistan Can’t Afford China’s ‘Friendship’

Pakistan's elites think Chinese cash can save the country. They're wrong.
In recent months, the Chinese-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) has left Pakistanis emboldened, Indians angry, and U.S. analysts worried. Ostensibly, CPEC will connect Pakistan to China’s western Xinjiang province through the development of vast new transportation and energy infrastructure. The project is part of China’s much-hyped Belt and Road Initiative, a grand, increasingly vague geopolitical plan bridging Eurasia that China’s powerful President Xi Jinping has promoted heavily.

Pakistani and Chinese officials boast that CPEC will help address Pakistan’s electricity generation problem, bolster its road and rail networks, and shore up the economy through the construction of special economic zones. But these benefits are highly unlikely to materialize. The project is more inclined to leave Pakistan burdened with unserviceable debt while further exposing the fissures in its internal security.

Pakistan and China often speak of their “all-weather friendship,” but the truth is that the relationship has always been a cynical one.Pakistan and China often speak of their “all-weather friendship,” but the truth is that the relationship has always been a cynical one. China cultivated Pakistan as a client through the provision of military assistance; diplomatic and political cover in the U.N. Security Council; and generous loan aid in an effort to counter both American influence and the system of anti-Communist Western treaty alliances. China also sought to embolden Pakistan to harangue India, but not to the point of war because that would expose the hard limits of Chinese support. Despite Pakistan’s boasts of iron-clad Chinese support, when Pakistan went to war with India in 1965, 1971, and 1999, China did little or nothing to bail out its client in distress.

During the 1971 war, when India intervened in Pakistan’s civil war in its Bengali-dominated eastern wing, President Richard Nixon requested China move troops along its eastern border with India to intimidate India and stave off Pakistan’s defeat. However, China declined to undertake even this modest effort to preclude India from vivisecting Pakistan. East Pakistan became independent Bangladesh in 1971. In a nod to Pakistan, China refused to recognize Bangladesh until August 1975, even after Pakistan did so in February 1974.

There’s little reason to think China has made a sudden conversion to altruism when it comes to CPEC. The project originated in 2013, when the Chinese premier, Li Keqiang, and Pakistan’s then-president, Asif Ali Zardari, agreed to build an economic corridor between the two countries. The project inched closer to fruition in 2014, when Pakistan’s President Mamnoon Hussain and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif traveled to China on different occasions to further discussions. In November 2014, the Chinese government announced that it would finance $46 billion in energy and infrastructure projects in Pakistan as part of CPEC. In September 2016, China announced a new loan deal for CPEC valued at $51.6 billion. In November 2016, part of CPEC became “operational” when products were moved by truck from China and loaded onto ships at Pakistan’s port Gwador along the Makran coast for markets in West Asia and Africa. After this major development, China declared that it would increase its investment again to $62 billion in April.

Pakistan’s civilian and military leadership alike have told the public that CPEC will solve Pakistan’s chronic electricity shortages, improve an aging road and rail infrastructure, provide a fillip to Pakistan’s economy, knit an increasingly pariah state to a new Chinese-led geopolitical order, and diminish the role of the much-reviled United States in the region. CPEC has the bonus of irritating the Indians because it strengthens Pakistan’s hold on territory in Jammu and Kashmir that it snatched in the 1947-48 war as well as portions of that territory that Pakistan subsequently ceded to China in 1963 as a part of the Sino-Pakistan boundary agreement. India claims these lands, currently held by Pakistan and China, and deems their occupation illegal.

Despite the bold claims made by China and Pakistan, there are many reasons to be dubious about the purported promises of CPEC. There’s already violence all along the corridor. The north-most part of CPEC is the Karakoram Highway (KKH), which gashes through the Karakoram Mountain Range to connect Kashgar in Xinjiang with Pakistan’s troubled province of Gilgit-Baltistan. Xinjiang is in the throes of a slow-burning insurgency by the Muslim Uighur minority against the Communist state. Gilgit-Baltistan, a Shiite-majority polity under the thumb of a Sunni-dominated Pakistan, is part of the above-noted contested territory of Jammu-Kashmir. Here, geology and weather further limit CPEC. The Karakoram Highway, a narrow road weaving through perilous mountains, can’t bear heavy traffic. Expanding the KKH will not be easy. Residents of Gilgit-Baltistan worry about the environmental costs in relation to the few benefits they will enjoy. There have been episodic protests, which the Pakistani government has ruthlessly put down. Meanwhile, Gwador is experiencing a prolonged drought, frustrating the project while the four extant desalination plants remain idle.

In the south, CPEC is anchored to the port at Gwador in Pakistan’s insurgency-riven Balochistan province. The local Baloch people deeply resent the plan because it will fundamentally change the demography of the area. Before the expansion of Gwadar, the population of the area was 70,000. If the project comes to full fruition the population would be closer to 2 million — most of whom would be non-Baloch. Many poor Baloch have already been displaced from the area. Since construction has begun, there have been numerous attacks against Chinese personnel, among other workers.

There’s also the stubborn problem of economic competitiveness. For CPEC to be more competitive than the North-South Corridor that is rooted to the Iranian port of Chabahar, Gwador needs to offer a safer and shorter route from the Arabian Sea to Central Asia. For that to happen, Gwador needs to be connected by road to the Afghan Ring Road in Afghanistan’s Kandahar province, which is under sustained attacks by the Afghan Taliban. Alternatively, a new route could connect Gwador with the border crossing at Torkham (near Peshawar) by traveling up Balochistan, with its own active ethnic insurgency, through or adjacent to Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas, which is the epicenter of Islamist terrorism and insurgency throughout Pakistan. It takes great faith — or idiocy, or greed, or all of the above — to believe that this is possible.

All of these issues raise salient questions about the real utility of this unfolding fiasco. If CPEC is not an economically viable route for actual commerce, what purpose does it serve? Analyst Andrew Small, among others, has argued that CPEC is, in reality, a redundant supply route for China should it face an embargo during a military conflict. It’s also possible that if the port at Gwador is not economically sustainable the real goal is the creation of a Chinese naval outpost. Many in India, Pakistan’s historic rival, have also come to this conclusion. They may well be correct, according to recent Chinese reports indicating that China may “expand its marine corps and may station new marine brigades in Gwadar.”

While the benefits to transit may be illusory, it is possible that Pakistan could benefit from purportedly low-hanging fruit, including the much-lauded economic zones and power plants. Pakistan does struggle with power shortages. But its problem is not a lack of supply, rather the complex issue of “circular debt” referring to the accumulating unpaid bills of the power sector; the theft of power through illegal connections, meter tampering, and other means; and an inadequate transmission system. Meanwhile, Pakistanis have learned that the current Chinese development model will do little for their economy. China prefers to use its own companies and employees rather than hire locally.

Pakistani citizens also have no way to know what CPEC will cost them. Neither government has been clear about what projects are part of the plan. Costing has been completely opaque. China sets the price, contracts the work out to Chinese companies, and saddles Pakistan with the loans. Given the ongoing security threats on Chinese nationals in Pakistan, Islamabad is raising a CPEC Protection Force, the costs of which will be passed on to Pakistani citizens. The State Bank of Pakistan has repeatedly called for more transparency, to no avail. Astonishingly, according to the Pakistani daily The Dawn, “Despite the frantic activity, Islamabad had yet to determine the expected cost and benefit, expressed in monetary terms, of the mega project.” And that’s before factoring in other costs such as the cultural and religious tensions between Chinese and Pakistanis, although there’s been a public relations push by both governments to downplay them.

Recently, The Dawn claimed to have accessed the alleged CPEC “master plan,” drawn up by the China Development Bank and the National Development Reform Commission of the People’s Republic of China. It suggests that CPEC is really about agriculture, an issue that had not previously been discussed in the extensive media coverage of the plan. As part of the overall project, thousands of acres of productive agricultural land will be leased to the Chinese for “demonstration projects” for newly developed seed varieties and irrigation technology. Chinese companies will be the primary beneficiaries of these initiatives.

Pakistanis should be worried about the way CPEC is shaping up. If it is even partially executed, Pakistan would be indebted to China as never before. And unlike Pakistan’s other traditional allies, such as the United States, China will probably use its leverage to obtain greater compliance from its problematic client. China is particularly concerned about the Islamist militant groups active among China’s Uighur Muslim population in Xinjiang. Uigher militant groups have long shared ties with groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan, some of which have been patronized by the Pakistani state, such as the Afghan Taliban. China has used religious and political oppression, along with crude violence, to eviscerate the Islamist revival among Xinjiang’s Uighers and has counted on Pakistan to give China political cover while doing so. In taking on Chinese debt, Pakistan may also risk severely worsening its already critical relations with India, which has been watching the CPEC drama unfold with growing alarm. In the north, CPEC continues to make permanent the Pakistani and Chinese grip on territory India claims. In the south, Chinese naval vessels may dock in the deep port of Gwador, threatening New Delhi in the Arabian Sea. In normal times, this would be a serious concern for the United States — but Washington is so distracted by the chaos of the Trump administration that the issue has gone largely under the radar.

But the news may not be all bad. For China to get maximal returns on its extensive investments in Pakistan as well as Afghanistan it needs stability in both countries. In recent years, China has stepped up its role in trying to negotiate peace in Afghanistan by helping to mediate between Pakistan and Afghanistan. As Pakistan’s economy becomes evermore interwoven with China’s, China may be in a position to dampen Pakistan’s worrying affinity for terrorist groups and nuclear proliferation particularly the latter, because China enabled Pakistan’s nuclear program to begin with. If China took on the responsibility of managing Pakistan, Washington might be happy to wash its hands of the problem and let the civilians in Islamabad and the uniformed men in Rawalpindi stab someone else in the back for a change.
 

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Who are you trying to fool? Nobody lives in Western China. The total population of Xinjiang + Tibet is about that of Taiwan - it is unskilled, and spread out over an area almost the size of India's. What sort of industrial base are you going to set up there? You're throwing $50+ billion down the toilet that is Pakistan for an illiterate population of Taiwan's size? That makes even less economic sense than land transport.


CCP is not fooling anyone (except its own public and Porkistan).

Ignorance is a blessing.

Who tells you that Western China is only of these 2 provinces?


Look at this Western China development program, in this program, the western China includes 6 provinces and 5 autonomous regions with 472.6 million population:


Gansu 26.2m

Guizhou 37.6m

Qinghai 5.5m

ShanXi 37.5m

Sichuan 109.5m

Yunnan 45.1m


Guangxi 47.7m

Inner Mongolia 24.1m

Ningxia 6.1m

Tibet 2.8m

Xinjiang 21m


The reason that these territories are included as Western China is all of them are isolated from Eastern China by series of mountains. So traditionally, the transportation distance and difficulties put them in disadvantage position to trade with overseas.


CPEC is to economically enslave Pakistan, dump cheap goods there, basically supplant local industry with Chinese convicts and companies that are banned everywhere else. Porkis willing to be enslaved, so why not. That's 50%. The other 50% is to build Gwadar into a military base.

Yah, a typical India kid.
 

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any industrial manufacturing base needs water, there is a limit to availability of water in western china. slim chance of western china being any industrial hub.
That depends what Industrial base you are talking about. Textile, chemistry, steel, yes; electronic, machinery, tools, toys, etc, NO!
 

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How China's Growing Deserts Are Choking The Country


The Gobi Desert blankets nearly 500,000 miles of northern China and southern Mongolia in dry, arid land. Cutting between the two countries and traditionally providing cover for the northern “barbarians”—what imperial China called the fast-moving Mongolian nomads who periodically attacked the empire—the Gobi has always been a headache for Chinese rulers. And yet while the government no longer fears invaders cutting through the desert and attacking Beijing, the rapid desertification of China’s northern regions poses an acute risk to the country and its people.

Defending Against The Desert

The Gobi is the fastest growing desert on Earth, transforming nearly 2,250 miles of grassland per year into inhospitable wasteland. This expansion eats away at space that was once fit for agriculture and creates unbridled sandstorms that batter cities near the edge of the desert. In May, one such storm enveloped 1 million square miles of northern China in dust. Combining with Beijing’s industrial pollution, the city’s air quality index shot to a peak of 621, a rating classified as “beyond index.” For context, levels above 200 are ranked by the United States embassy as “very unhealthy,” while readings between 301 to 500 are labeled “hazardous.”

Desertification is a type of land degradation whereby previously fertile soil is transformed into arid land. Effectively, it is the process of areas turning into deserts, and the causes are both man-made and climate-induced. China’s frenzied developmental campaigns in the 20th-century ravaged the country’s timber resources and this deforestation along with overgrazing, wind erosion, and depletion of water resources accelerated desertification in the latter half of the century.



The Great Green Wall

Most alarmingly, the encroaching desert shows little sign of slowing. Since 1978, the Chinese government has initiated a project called the Three-North Shelter Forest Program—better known as the Great Green Wall—which aims to halt the creeping Gobi by constructing a 2,800-mile wall of trees to block its path. Up until now, more than 66 billion trees have been planted, creating the largest artificial forest in the world, but experts are skeptical whether this afforestation project has been successful. Although the desert’s expansion has been slowed in certain areas, it continues unaffected in others.


This picture taken on May 28, 2012 shows the young trees planted at a nursery on the southern fringe of the Taxkorgan desert, in the northern foot of the Karakorgan range. Population pressure, drought and climate change have made China the world's biggest victim of desertification (STR/AFP/Getty Images)

More on Forbes: China's Most Infamous 'Ghost City' Is Rising From The Desert

Introducing thirsty, non-native trees to northern China as part of the project has absorbed dwindling groundwater resources in regions that were parched to begin with. This creates a vicious cycle whereby the new trees take what’s left of the water and then perish along with other plant species around them. According to a study of the Great Green Wall in 2004 by Su Yang, only 15% of the trees planted since 1978 have survived.

Furthermore, monoculture planting in the area has made forested areas more vulnerable to disease. In 2000, 1 billion poplar trees in China’s northwestern Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region representing two decades of work were lost to a single disease. Sticking to a single species can help drive up planting quotas, but monoculture forests are often highly susceptible to pathogens, do little to regenerate nutrients in the soil, and fail to create the diverse ecosystems needed for lush vegetation.

Creeping Occupation

And in addition to the severe environmental consequences, China’s rapid desertification poses a serious political threat to Beijing. As towns get swallowed by deserts, so do their economies, and the government is forced to continue moving people away from degraded lands. Between 2003 and 2008, 650,000 people living in China’s Inner Mongolia province were forcibly resettled. To make things worse, China is already teetering on the edge of a food scarcity crisis, and considering the country lost 6.2% of its farmland between 1997 and 2008 while its population grew by almost 100 million people, desertification poses a severe risk to food security. It’s almost impossible to turn a desert back into land fit for agriculture, but excuses matter little to starving populations.


The Forbidden City is enveloped by floating dust on March 18, 2008 in Beijing, China. Sandstorms regularly hit regions in northern China with visibility in some areas less than 3 kilometers. (China Photos/Getty Images)

Around 27% of China is covered in desert. There are now dunes forming just 44 miles from Beijing, and some estimates put the Gobi’s crawl south toward the capital at a pace of almost 2 miles per year. The best way for the central government to stem the tide is by focusing on restoring natural ecosystems. This will require close supervision of local projects to ensure they aren’t mismanaged and focused solely on meeting quotas.

In “The Grapes of Wrath,” John Steinbeck described trying to outrun the growing Dust Bowl: “66 is the path of a people in flight, refugees from dust and shrinking land, from the thunder of tractors and shrinking ownership, from the desert’s slow northward invasion.” Today, China is better equipped to fight desertification than the United States was in the 1930s, but it will take some creative thinking. Just as the Great Wall of China didn’t stop the Mongolians, nor can a wall of trees halt the world’s fastest-moving desert.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neusta...the-grinch-that-keeps-on-taking/#29318c4adad9


No wonder theres a news in pakistan media that china wants to make pakistan its agricultural land forever!
effectively turning pakistanis into peasants working on chinese farms!
 

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The reason that these territories are included as Western China is all of them are isolated from Eastern China by series of mountains.
Unlike Karakoram and Khunjerab pass?Whatever definition of Western China you can come up with, doesn't change the fact that Chinese population lives near it's East Coast. So please enlighten us mortals about your great plan.
 

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