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Take it easy, kid, no one is begging India to join. Do you see anyone implying any new condition?
On the contrary, these newspapers send a message: there is no more compromise offering. India can take it or leave it.
Dude, go get an update. 'Take it or leave it', as you say, is bullshit. China needs India to join and that's a fact. Period.

Why does Beijing desperately want India to participate? Because that would make it attractive to other South Asian countries.

China is sore because India's reluctance has made it difficult for China to extend the OBOR network to Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Myanmar. A Chinese expert Lin Minwang of the Institute of International Studies at Shaghai's Fudan University maintained that these countries are also interested in joining the program provided India joins too.

He said that Beijing has expressed, on various occasions, its anticipation to see New Delhi join the grand project and to make concerted effort with India in building economic corridors involving China, India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, and Myanmar.

So yes! China is desperate to seek India's participation. Have you got that? It's in pretty plain English for you to comprehend, huh?
 

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It's in tatters! Trillion dollars investment is not even summing up in billions. Chinese are getting killed in Pakistan. Slow global growth effectively means all the infrastructure that china wants to create is not really required right now except in India and few other emerging markets .
Did you know that India is indirectly funding the CPEC? The Chinese have a $50 billion trade surplus with us. These extra dollars are being used for the CPEC!!

Sucks, what?
 

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Take it easy, kid, no one is begging India to join. Do you see anyone implying any new condition?
On the contrary, these newspapers send a message: there is no more compromise offering. India can take it or leave it.
When did India even asked for an offer to join obor?We have rejected it.Why the unsolicited daily offer?
 

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When did India even asked for an offer to join obor?We have rejected it.Why the unsolicited daily offer?
Take the proposed $8 billion railway link b/w occupied Tibet and Nepal.It will make financial sense only if that railway is used to export goods to India.Otherwise u just cannot build 8 billion infra project for 20 billion economy.

Same is the case with CPEC.Economies of scale will come into play only if they get access to the prosperous Northern Indian states,otherwise the hugely expensive and summer-only routes through the Karakoram do not make much sense,as it far away from Chinese coast where most of the wealth is.
 

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Take the proposed $8 billion railway link b/w occupied Tibet and Nepal.It will make financial sense only if that railway is used to export goods to India.Otherwise u just cannot build 8 billion infra project for 20 billion economy.

Same is the case with CPEC.Economies of scale will come into play only if they get access to the prosperous Northern Indian states,otherwise the hugely expensive and summer-only routes through the Karakoram do not make much sense,as it far away from Chinese coast where most of the wealth is.
Absolutely True. Roads are just instrument to provide connectivity. Connectivity for people and goods. Countries chipping in OBOR do not have capacity to consume those goods and people . India is the only country which can provide market. So the moment we move out these initiatives are just useless.
 

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in China, if you repeat without adding something new, it means "NO".
:pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:

Amazing how pakis brought dignity to begging..

You ask me for a loan. I say I don't want to lend you money. You keep on asking me the same thing. And that's not begging? Wow...

Paki logic: henceforth begging shall be renamed 'NO'. We are going to NO you till you accept. :pound::pound:

Again: I wish my pet dog shows atleast half the loyalty shown by pakis towards Chinese....
 

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Why does Beijing desperately want India to participate? Because that would make it attractive to other South Asian countries.
No, all South Asian countries already joined in except India. So, China doesn't need India to attract other South Asian countries.

China is sore because India's reluctance has made it difficult for China to extend the OBOR network to Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Myanmar. A Chinese expert Lin Minwang of the Institute of International Studies at Shaghai's Fudan University maintained that these countries are also interested in joining the program provided India joins too.
Again, all these countries already joined, and none of them put India's joining as their condition. So, please check the fact first.

He said that Beijing has expressed, on various occasions, its anticipation to see New Delhi join the grand project and to make concerted effort with India in building economic corridors involving China, India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, and Myanmar.
Again, making the same offer without any new condition, that shows "how desperate" Chinese is.

So yes! China is desperate to seek India's participation. Have you got that? It's in pretty plain English for you to comprehend, huh?
No, your English is good, but has no logic. How do you define "desperate"?

If I desperately want something, I will come back with a better offer if you reject the first one.
If I just simply repeat the same price which you already rejected, that calls "wasting time".
 

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Take the proposed $8 billion railway link b/w occupied Tibet and Nepal.It will make financial sense only if that railway is used to export goods to India.Otherwise u just cannot build 8 billion infra project for 20 billion economy.
Well, we can look from another way: what India is going to do?
1. India just simply insists no railway between India and Nepal, then Nepal will gradually become a part of Chinese economic circle since the best transportation for them is the railway to China;
2. India builds her own railway to Nepal, then Chinese products will still come to India through this railway and it will save Chinese money.


Same is the case with CPEC.Economies of scale will come into play only if they get access to the prosperous Northern Indian states,otherwise the hugely expensive and summer-only routes through the Karakoram do not make much sense,as it far away from Chinese coast where most of the wealth is.
You simply forget another market--Middle East.
 

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Well, we can look from another way: what India is going to do?
1. India just simply insists no railway between India and Nepal, then Nepal will gradually become a part of Chinese economic circle since the best transportation for them is the railway to China;
2. India builds her own railway to Nepal, then Chinese products will still come to India through this railway and it will save Chinese money.




You simply forget another market--Middle East.
India building railways doesnt mean allowing Chinese goods into India.
 

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Last year, Pakistan welcomed the first large shipment of Chinese goods at Gwadar, where the China Overseas Port Holding Company took over operations in 2013. It plans to eventually handle 300 million to 400 million tonnes of cargo a yea
Pakistan Gov Fooled People Six time in 27 year by inaugurated the Gwadar Port With Empty Container

 

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Why China’s ‘One Belt, One Road’ plan is doomed to fail

Facing a deep slowdown after years of investment-fuelled growth that culminated in a huge property and stock market bubble, the leaders of Asia’s largest economy come up with a cunning plan. By launching an initiative to fund and construct infrastructure projects across Asia, they will kill four birds with one stone.


They will generate enough demand abroad to keep their excess steel mills, cement plants and construction companies in business, so preserving jobs at home. They will tie neighbouring countries more closely into their own economic orbit, so enhancing both their hard and soft power around the region. They will further their long term plan to promote their own currency as an international alternative to the US dollar. And to finance it all, they will set up a new multi-lateral infrastructure bank, which will undermine the influence of the existing Washington-based institutions, with all their tedious insistence on transparency and best practice, by making more “culturally sensitive” soft loans. The result will be the regional hegemony they regard as their right as Asia’s leading economic and political power.

Consistent political will is needed to ensure one belt, one road initiative succeeds
If you think you’ve seen this movie before, you probably have. That could be an outline of China’s “One Belt, One Road” initiative, launched last year to great fanfare, and relentlessly promoted by loyal officials ever since. But it’s actually a description of a strikingly similar plan rolled out by Japanese prime minister Keizo Obuchi in the 1990s. That too promised to provide work for Japan’s recession-hit construction sector by building Japanese-funded infrastructure projects around Asia. And it even included a proposal – never realised – to establish an Asian Monetary Fund to lend to regional governments on easier terms than either the IMF or World Bank.

Unfortunately for Beijing, the precedent is hardly encouraging. From the start the scheme was plagued by bickering over conditions and allegations of corruption. A handful of infrastructure projects did get built, but the reality fell woefully short of Tokyo’s grandiose dreams. Far from cementing Japan’s economic ascendancy across Asia, the project left a legacy of bad blood, and marked the beginning of a financial retreat from around the region that Japan has only recently begun to reverse.

















All the signs are that China’s One Belt, One Road plan will similarly fail in its main objectives.

First, the idea that infrastructure projects in Central and South East Asia could absorb a sizeable portion of China’s excess industrial capacity is simply unrealistic.
Consider steel. Currently China’s steel mills can turn out some 1.1 billion tonnes of the metal annually. Yet even with economic stimulus efforts in full swing, no one expects domestic demand to exceed 700 million tonnes this year. It is hard to imagine China building enough roads, ports and pipelines across Asia to use up the extra 300 million tonnes of capacity, especially when you consider that the World Steel Association forecasts demand in the European Union, the world’s largest economy, to be just 150 million tonnes this year.

China’s one belt, one road initiative set to transform economy by connecting with trading partners along ancient Silk Road

Beijing could try. But if it did, it would run into another problem. Asia needs infrastructure development, but the region’s capacity to absorb new projects is limited. As China has learned at home, building a new high speed rail line or state of the art airport is easy enough given plentiful funding. But building a high speed rail line that is economically viable is altogether more difficult. Inevitably, if Beijing attempts to pursue projects at a pace and in a number sufficient to make a dent in its excess capacity, it will end up building white elephants, wasting money, and encouraging corruption on a scale never before seen.

China’s one belt, one road plan covers more than half of the population, 75 per cent of energy resources and 40 per cent of world’s GDP
These constraints mean China’s ambition of using lending tied to the One Belt, One Road initiative to help promote the yuan as Asia’s international currency of choice is also destined to fail. What policy-makers had in mind was something akin to the Marshall Plan, by which the United States pumped money into Western Europe in the late 1940s to fund post-war reconstruction, so confirming the US dollar’s position as the world’s dominant reserve currency. But 1940s Europe was very different from Central Asia today. Europe’s physical infrastructure may have been destroyed by war, but its know-how and institutional strength in depth were largely intact. Rebuilding on such foundations was relatively straightforward.

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Developing Asia’s foundations are still under construction. But while physical capital like a new port or railway can be built in just a few years, building the human and institutional capital that allow that port to operate efficiently and to contribute effectively to economic and social progress is a slower process. The two need to go hand in hand, which is why multi-lateral lenders like the World Bank lay such heavy stress on best practice. The senior officials charged with implementing China’s grand plan appreciate these capacity constraints, and appear to be scaling down their ambitions. That’s sensible, but it means the One Belt, One Road initiative will fall far short of its original objectives, just as its Japanese forerunner did almost 20 years ago.

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/1999544/why-chinas-one-belt-one-road-plan-doomed-fail
 

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Remember that paki rupee falling yesterday, it miraculously gone back to the same value as before the fall today.

Looks like pakis are adopting some currency manipulation tricks from their chini fiends.
 

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Why would anybody load chinese goods on rail to India if India custom is going to deny them entry.
But the problem is India custom can't deny them entry forever, which means sooner or later, India has to open the door.
 

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Beijing plans cargo service to Pak via CPEC

China is planning to launch a road and rail freight service to Pakistan through the multi-billion dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, a move which could raise concerns in India.


The new line will start from Lanzhou, capital of northwestern China’s Gansu Province, travelling through Kashgar in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region to the Gwadar Port of Pakistan, Xu Chunhua, director of Lanzhou International Trade and Logistic Park, was quoted as saying by state-run Xinhua news agency.



However, it has not been specified when the service will be launched. In May last year, a rail and road cargo service opened between Lanzhou and Kathmandu. Xu said the cargo service has been welcomed by south Asian countries. In 2016, the bilateral trade between China and Nepal was over 3 billion yuan (about $440 million), and the volume is forecast to hit 10 billion yuan this year.

India has objected to the $46 CPEC, which is part of the Silk Road. — PTI Map showing proposed China-Pak Economic Corridor (CPEC) Beijing, July 6 China is planning to launch a road and rail freight service to Pakistan through the multi-billion dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, a move which could raise concerns in India.

The new line will start from Lanzhou, capital of northwestern China’s Gansu Province, travelling through Kashgar in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region to the Gwadar Port of Pakistan, Xu Chunhua, director of Lanzhou International Trade and Logistic Park, was quoted as saying by state-run Xinhua news agency. (Follow The Tribune on Facebook; and Twitter @thetribunechd) However, it has not been specified when the service will be launched. In May last year, a rail and road cargo service opened between Lanzhou and Kathmandu. Xu said the cargo service has been welcomed by south Asian countries. In 2016, the bilateral trade between China and Nepal was over 3 billion yuan (about $440 million), and the volume is forecast to hit 10 billion yuan this year.

India has objected to the $46 CPEC, which is part of the Silk Road. — PTI


http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/beijing-plans-cargo-service-to-pak-via-cpec/432956.html
 

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