NYT reporter: Pakistan has been our real enemy

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  1. Blackwater

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    How much ofa surprise is this, really? According to a book published last week by New York Times reporter Carlotta Gall, our true enemy in Afghanistan was not the Taliban itself, put Pakistan — which used the Taliban as a proxy against the US and other outsiders in the central Asia region. Gall, who covered the war for more than a decade,told ABC Newsthat not only did Pakistan push the Taliban to fight Americans in Afghanistan, they also kept Osama bin Laden safe from American efforts to find him:

    Perhaps the biggest betrayal of all in the U.S.-Pakistani relationship, and one that came as no surprise to Gall, was the fact that bin Laden found shelter in Abbottabad, Pakistan, for six years before he was killed in a Navy SEAL raid in 2011. And, according to Gall, Pakistan’s government was orchestrating his protection.

    “Pakistan did know,” Gall said, speaking about bin Laden’s location. “They were hiding him, they were handling him. Someone on the inside told me this. They had a special desk that knew where bin Laden was.

    “Not only that, but put him there, protected him, oversaw him, handled him in the terms of the secret intelligence services,” she added. “And it’s all deniable, but I’m told the top bosses knew.” …

    “Our relations with Pakistan have gone back to the same thing, and the thing that concerns me is that Zawahiri is still out there, in Pakistan, I believe,” she said. “He is also probably being hidden the same way and protected.”

    The only way to be surprised by this would be to have complete ignorance of Pakistan’s involvement with the Taliban before 9/11. The ISI used the Taliban to control its northern neighbor, after partnering with the US to promote militias in opposition to the Soviet occupation from 1980-1989. They had the same relationship with Islamist extremist groups in Kashmir, too, and for the same reasons. It projects Pakistani power in support of their own goals. Even during the Pervez Musharraf era, when the Bush administration partnered with Pakistan on efforts to go after the Taliban, most suspected that Pakistan was playing both sides against each other as Musharraf never quite committed to eradicating the Taliban presence on his side of the border — even after they tried to assassinate him.

    I doubt anyone in the Bush or Obama administrations were naive enough to miss the double-dealing, and it’s worth pointing out that the double-dealing appears to go both ways. Pakistan allows the US to use its airfields for drone warfare against the Taliban networks, albeit very grudgingly. That doesn’t make Gallwrong; she’s been there for more than a decade and has seen this from the ground up. But I don’t think that much of this was a surprise, either, which is one reason why the Pakistanis only found out about our bin Laden operation after the helicopters had his body on board and were leaving Pakistan’s air space.

    Gall went on PBS last week to discuss this further:



    his could also underscore why US/NATO policy in Afghanistan required a long-term commitment. If Pakistan wasn’t backing the Taliban, then there would be no need for the US to conduct nation-building in the wake of taking down the Taliban and al-Qaeda. The only way to push back against the ISI would be to create a representative republic that could engage the Pashtuns while marginalizing their Taliban leadership, curtailing Pakistan’s influence in Afghanistan. We may not be in Afghanistan long enough for that strategy to succeed, but it would explain why we stuck around as long as we did. The only question this leaves is why Pakistan agreed to cooperate with us at all, but perhaps having an angry George W. Bush as President at the time answers that question.

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    Poor American tax payers are paying for the bullets which kills their own soldiers.

    The only way US can teach Pakistan a lesson is by dividing it in many parts OR at least making sure there are daily blasts and chaos in this land of terrorists forever.
     
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    How many different threads are you going to open about the same book?
    That bit** Carlotta Gall has already been refuted by fellow American journalists who spent considerable time in Afghanistan and have written their own books.

    Gall's best evidence and source credentials: "An unnamed officer told another officer who wishes not to be named that he heard from an unnamed source that some unnames ISI officer hinted at an unnamed minister who told them that GoP knew about Ben Ladens hide out" :lol:
    Man she should get another Pulitzer price for this! :rofl: :toilet:
     
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    This article would add to the one of many where Pakistan international reputation and sovereignty is questioned. The article is saying they sponsor state terrorism if not they have non-state actors they have no control over (the sovereignty of Pakistan is question).

    You already know how America has diminished Pakistan worth and value in international law and national sovereignty.

    The better statement is "so what". You can say the Americans deep down are afraid of the Pakis hence the contact in relations and advocate of its stability. Iran has suffered much more compared to Pakistan and what did Iran do.

    2010 Times Square car bombing attempt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    (perhaps it was a warning).

    The immature make fun of the Paki because he was not able to set the bombs off.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    So OBL was killed in Amsterdam and not Pakistan?
     
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    yes i was thinking of same thing, he was killed watching mujra in red light district of Amsterdam:laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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    she can not name every person she got info especially in pakistan . u know wat happen to Dr afridi in osama case.

    rest for osama where abouts you have already got some answers in post 7 and 8
     
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    I don't agree.

    I guess OBL was in a Dutch Zoo mouth watering looking at Donkey's ass.

    This is when US special forces attacked him.
     
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    Golden aanda dene wali murgi ko koi kyu marta.
     
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