Nuclear-capable Agni-II missile test fired

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BDL only assembles missile. DRDO QA is responsible for ensuring robustness of each component which BDL sources. even army QA is involved. Still if u have failure from production lot (missiles which will be launched in actual war), only heavens can save us. I think anyone who had any faith in the system stands completely crumbled. No wonder we have so many moles in our established.No one believes in competence of another. India is a blunder bus moving towards a crash.
Trident missiles failed to so is bulva

Its part of the game
 
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Sometimes they air the test on DD ..
First time A2 was shown with special cover by private youtube channel. Plus first time land version of K15 launcher was showed on that. It was unofficial MOD leak or something.
 

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BDL only assembles missile. DRDO QA is responsible for ensuring robustness of each component which BDL sources. even army QA is involved. Still if u have failure from production lot (missiles which will be launched in actual war), only heavens can save us. I think anyone who had any faith in the system stands completely crumbled. No wonder we have so many moles in our established.No one believes in competence of another. India is a blunder bus moving towards a crash.
No need to be so over dramatic. If its a production batch missile, the failure of any of its component lies squarely on BDL. But as the news comes out, the flight trajectory of the missile is not that of regular A2. It means the failure might not be because of any component failure. It could be failure in its command mechanism. Anyway if it was a normal test from the production lot, we would see another test real soon. If not, then be sure that it was not a normal batch test and something else has been tested instead.
 

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Cool dude then jump of the Bus and save yourself ..Lets not create panic among other passengers we are ready to go down with the bus if its really going to crash ..We don't have an another Bus like India.

India is a blunder bus moving towards a crash.
Do you think any war is going to be won by BMs ???? ..If that s the case America should not be loosing in Iraq or Syria .who don t have BM and fighting a country with so much advanced Missiles and BMs..War will be fought by the big hearts and strong hands of the soldiers more than these BMs..BMs is the last option for anyone who is going to use it Be it Pakistan,China or even India ...

Why to even surrender without a fight let the enemy be how powerful they are ..Learn from Noko without a proper BMs he still giving challenge to USA and Allies ...Just because he has Artillery to pulverise Seoul ..We can do the same to Lahore and Pindi with our Tanks and MBRLS..

IDRW says that missile from production lot failed. This is absolutely inexcusable and utterly horrifying. How do u expect Modi to start an escalation posture with Pakistan when these ch****DRDO scientists cannot provide tools for the same. Now large raids by IA seem less likely given psychologically we have been exposed. If we cant even ensure these basic minimum standards of quality, let us shut down DRDO and surrender ourselves to Pakiland and China.Utterly pathetic
 

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The Agni-ll Ballistic Missile was successfully test fired on Thursday from A.P.J Abdul Kalam island of Dhamara in Odisha.

@sayareakd This one is saying it was successful but not confirmed by the DRDO officials ..TOI or Deccan who is correct ????

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/scie...lly-test-fires-agni-ii-ballistic-missile.html
This is what I m saying. Lets wait for few days. If there is another test you would know that it was from production lot, but if not, there was something sinister.
 

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Home > The Agni-II Trial Failure: Evaluation rather than Flagellation is needed
The Agni-II Trial Failure: Evaluation rather than Flagellation is needed
Sanjay Badri-Maharaj
May 15, 2017
On May 4, 2017, India’s Strategic Forces Command (SFC) conducted an unsuccessful user trial of the Agni-II Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM). This failure marks the third unsuccessful test – either development flight or user trial – of the missile and comes after a series of five consecutive successful user trials. The progenitor and successors to the Agni-II have had a reasonably trouble free development process with initial development failures being resolved and user trials meeting with success.

Agni Technology Demonstrator
The pattern was established during the testing of the original Agni missile – formerly a “re-entry demonstrator” and which we can now term the Agni-TD – which was tested on May 22, 1989. By its third test in 1994, the 2500 km range missile had achieved a demonstrated range of 1450 km with a claimed circular error probable (CEP) of 300 m. However, the most remarkable aspect of this progenitor to the Agni missiles of the 21st century was that it was a hybrid, using the liquid-fueled Prithvi-1 missile as the basis for its first stage coupled to a solid fuel booster reminiscent of, but not identical to, the booster of ISRO’s SLV-3 launch vehicle. This low-risk approach enabled India to develop an Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM) capability at a relatively low cost, using proven technology.

Agni-I
In a curious twist, the Agni-II, which evolved from the Agni-TD, spawned the Agni-1. This 700 km range medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) was borne out of an operational necessity for a missile with a longer range than the Prithvi to serve as a deterrent against Pakistan. The Agni-II was effectively re-engineered to create a smaller, lighter and road mobile system that is both survivable and easily deployable. Since its first test in 2002, Agni-1 has undergone a series of user trials from 2007 onwards, the latest being on November 22, 2016. While the missile itself is an achievement of note, the road mobile launch system should be considered of equal importance as it has evolved into the road mobile TELs for the Agni-IV and Agni-V.

Agni-III
At a glance, the Agni-III bears no physical resemblance to the Agni-II and is of a very different configuration, renouncing the tall, slender form for a shorter but wider arrangement. With three stages, the Agni-III represents what might be termed an intermediate stage of missile development, part way between the Agni-II and the definitive Agni-V. Once again using a rail-mobile TEL, the Agni-III represents the largest missile to date that India has fired from such a launcher.

After a failed test in 2006, the Agni-III completed a series of three consecutive successful technical trials on April 12, 2007, May 7, 2008 and February 7, 2010. Thereafter, the SFC conducted user trials of the system on September 21, 2012, December 23, 2013, April 16, 2015, with the most recent test being on April 27, 2017. Like the Agni-II, a CEP in the “two-digit” range (40m being suggested) was claimed. The Agni-III has a stated range of more than 3500 km, but it bears a striking resemblance to the Soviet-era SS-20 IRBM, suggesting the possibility that its range could be as high as 5000 km.

Agni-IV
With a range of 4000 km, the Agni-IV represents the successor to the Agni-II. Earlier known as the Agni-II Prime, the Agni-IV is no larger than its predecessor but has a significantly greater range and, being road mobile, is even more flexible and survivable than the Agni-II. This reflects a greater use of lighter composites and improved solid-fuel propellants as well as improvements to the guidance system which ensure that even at maximum range the Agni-IV retains a “two-digit” CEP.

While its first test in December 2010 was a failure, technical trials on November 15, 2011, September 19, 2012 and January 20, 2014, the last in full user configuration, were deemed successful. Thereafter, the SFC commenced induction and carried out user trials on December 2, 2014, November 9, 2015 and most recently on January 2, 2017. It is expected that the Agni-IV will supplement and then completely replace the Agni-II in production and become the mainstay of the Indian IRBM force. It is also noteworthy that there have been persistent rumours of a canister launched version of the Agni-IV being contemplated.

The Agni-IV has been fired out to its full revealed range of 4000 km at least twice (September 19, 2012 and January 20, 2014). It was fired out to 3500 km on November 9, 2015 and for about 3000 km on November 15, 2011 and December 2, 2014.

Agni-V
While the first two launches of the Agni-V – on April 19, 2012 and September 15, 2013 respectively – were of the standard Indian uncanisterised missile, following the pattern set with the Agni variants I through IV, the tests on January 31, 2015 and December 26, 2016 were of a canisterised system mounted on a road mobile platform.

The Agni-V is, so far, the ultimate evolution of the Agni family. It combines the road mobility of the Agni-I and Agni-IV with the configuration of the Agni-III, but improves upon the latter in terms of redesigning the missile and making greater use of maraging steel and composite materials to make the rocket motor. Moreover, improvements in the guidance system reputedly brought down the CEP to “single-digits”. With these improvements in place, the Agni-V is now ready to enter production and induction into the SFC, which will then undertake user trials – starting with “user-assisted” trials and then, as was the case with Agni variants I through IV, conducting subsequent trials on its own.

Problems with Agni-II
In comparison to the Agni-III and Agni-IV, the Agni-II had a relatively trouble-free development flight process. On April 11, 1999, the Agni-II was tested to a range of 2300 km with a 1000 kg payload. This established a pattern for Indian missiles – production and user trials would follow three consecutive successful technical trials. The 1999 test was followed by one on January 17, 2001 and another on August 29, 2004. Production of the Agni-II followed thereafter. But it was not until 2009 that user trials began, the first two of which were complete failures due to quality control problems during manufacture. However, on May 17, 2010, the first user trial from a production batch was completed followed by similar production batch trials undertaken by the SFC on September 30, 2011, August 9, 2012, April 7, 2013 and November 9, 2014. This means that the Agni-II has become the backbone of India’s IRBM force.

The Agni-II was India’s first viable production IRBM and is mounted on a rail mobile transporter-erector-launcher (TEL) with some suggestions that the TEL can be made road mobile as well. In either case, the TEL provides Agni-II with flexibility in deployment as well as survivability. Furthermore, the system can be deployed within 15 minutes. The Agni-II marked India’s departure from liquid propellants to all solid-fuel systems. Furthermore, the Agni-II’s reputed CEP of between 30 m and 100 m at maximum range makes it a relatively accurate system.

The May 2017 test marks the third user trial failure. What is cause for some concern is that the cause of the failure seems to be very different from those in 2009 – where problems were noted at the stage separation and ignition of the second-stage phase of the launch. In the case of The May 4, 2017 test, initial reports indicate problems in the first stage itself. This could be the result of propellant problems caused by storage or even minute structural cracks in the first stage itself.

The inevitable question that arises is whether the Agni-II was rushed into production after only three technical flights. It is submitted that this is not necessarily the case. Depending on the type of missile, technical trials are meant to establish the performance parameters of the system. Once this has been established, there is no reason why production cannot commence provided that tests from production batches are conducted to confirm performance. The development of computer simulation also helps reduce the number of dynamic technical trials which are inevitably expensive to conduct. The Russian Federation has followed this development path, with its RS-24 and RS-26 ICBMs being placed into production after two to three successful developmental flights with the RT-2PM2 ICBM being placed on experimental combat duty after only a single test. In the Indian context, where the production run of the Agni-II has not exceeded 36 to date, the luxury of conducting 10 or more technical trials is impractical. Moreover, given DRDO's very limited production facilities, obtaining sufficient missiles for more than 10 technical trials requires putting the missile into production.

Of greater importance must be issues concerning the production and storage of the Agni-II inventory. Given the fact that the Agni-II has been in production for the longest period of time and missiles of this type would have spent the longest time in storage, there will inevitably be cause for concern on the part of the SFC. While it is absolutely essential for the SFC and DRDO to thoroughly investigate the causes of the failure with due consideration to such issues as quality control during production, storage, maintenance and even training of the launch crew, it is equally important not to indulge in useless self-flagellation as the Agni family has, on the whole, had a successful series of user trials extending over several variants and a number of years which should give some confidence in the robustness of the design, development, testing and induction process.

Views expressed are of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of the IDSA or of the Government of India.

Keywords:
Missile Defence
Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD)
India
Source URL: http://www.idsa.in/idsacomments/agn...-than-flagellation-is-needed_sbmaharaj_150517
 

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@sayareakd so we have more than 100+ nukes ..:india: but worrying is the SLBM we have just 4 launchers for k-4 and not deployed ...:tsk: Plus its surprising to see the Agni II & III is only Rail mobile so we don t have them in TELs ...or this guy who made the report don t have to correct figures ....o_O

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BS report.............................
These are number of TEL deployed, not number of missiles manufactured. So its not all that unreasonable, especially given our no-first use policy.
 

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@sayareakd so we have more than 100+ nukes ..:india: but worrying is the SLBM we have just 4 launchers for k-4 and not deployed ...:tsk: Plus its surprising to see the Agni II & III is only Rail mobile so we don t have them in TELs ...or this guy who made the report don t have to correct figures ....o_O

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A5 TEL is 48, delivered by Puna based company. Next trench order, add same number of rail and same number of special duel TEL.
 

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@sayareakd One more report this one shared by Col in twitter today ..This shows possible operational time of Agni 4 & 5 is 2020...So that means we cannot hit Beijing today if they nuke us :dude:...Why are these reports always contradict one another ..But one this is clear as of now we have 120 Nuclear warheads with Agni 4 & 5 we will cross 150 and with K series we will cross 200 hopefully by 2020...

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@sayareakd One more report this one shared by Col in twitter today ..This shows possible operational time of Agni 4 & 5 is 2020...So that means we cannot hit Beijing today if they nuke us :dude:...Why are these reports always contradict one another ..But one this is clear as of now we have 120 Nuclear warheads with Agni 4 & 5 we will cross 150 and with K series we will cross 200 hopefully by 2020...

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Do you believe that...

There is a saying about the strategic assets... i.e., "Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know".

Coming to 40k yield Nukes, I seriously doubt that our yield is limited to it.

Agni 4 & 5...I don't believe that numbers...

Even lay man like me can say that it doesn't make sense. Strategic weapons are for deterrence. Lets assume that there is only 5% success during testing phase, countries would still build couple of'em. They are for show, not for firing at will(one exception is MAD). We had our first Agni 5 test over 5 yrs ago(but no warheads).

Why does such confidential information (specially from our side) is in public domain. Why don't you think it as misleading info from our Intelligence sources...

Funny part of the report is K 15 was tested after A 5, yet there are 12 warheads but none for A 5....

Only 2 Dhanushs capable warheads!!!??...

They could have done the misinformation stunt lot better....

Atleast China won't believe that info for sure.
 
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China used a few silo based nuclear missiles to ward off US threats for years..... nuclear deterrent is best it if is minimal....Better use money in assets which will be used
 

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Can't say much but I heard from a BARC employee long ago (94-95) that India already had 100+ nukes then. I trust that source more than any western write up. They are simply fishing for more information.
 

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Can't say much but I heard from a BARC employee long ago (94-95) that India already had 100+ nukes then. I trust that source more than any western write up. They are simply fishing for more information.
That is strange.
I won't be surprised if say 20-30 nukes, but 100+ nukes based on the design of nuclear device tested in 1974? This kind of nuclear device is generally way bigger than warhead, weights more than 1 ton. The only way to deliver them is by bombers.
 

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We must have 50+ A2. For every batch they test one missile. So if batch is of 12 missiles then you can get data for whole of agni and prithvi series.

Plus one missile for random batch result in check of components of entire batch. Once DRDO standard was so strict that components for crores of rupees were rejected if minute fault was found on it. All the company wala use to come running and drdo guys used to scold them.
Agni Missiles are so accurate that they can be used with conventional warhead with at a long intermediate range.
 

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Confirmed-the trial failed miserably. This is very bad for a fully deployed missile. Last test was in 2014 so the fresh lots are defective it seems.
I think lat test was for a totally different trajectory and was an experimental test and not the regular one.
 

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@sayareakd One more report this one shared by Col in twitter today ..This shows possible operational time of Agni 4 & 5 is 2020...So that means we cannot hit Beijing today if they nuke us :dude:...Why are these reports always contradict one another ..But one this is clear as of now we have 120 Nuclear warheads with Agni 4 & 5 we will cross 150 and with K series we will cross 200 hopefully by 2020...

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Don't we have Su30's in the delivery platforms?
 

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