North Korea Says It Has Conducted 'Successful' Hydrogen Bomb Test

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  1. Kshatriya87

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    http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/north-korea-earthquake-possible-nuclear-test-japan-1262613




    North Korea Says It Has Conducted 'Successful' Hydrogen Bomb Test
    World | Agence France-Presse | Updated: January 06, 2016 09:54 IST
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    North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un (C) inspecting a firing contest of Korean People's Army artillery units at an undisclosed location in North Korea. (AFP Photo)

    Seoul, South Korea: North Korea announced on Wednesday that it had successfully carried out its first hydrogen bomb test, a development that, if confirmed, would marking a stunning step forward in its nuclear development.

    "The republic's first hydrogen bomb test has been successfully performed at 10:00am on January 6, 2016, based on the strategic determination of the Workers' Party," a state television news reader announced.


    "With the perfect success of our historic H-bomb, we have joined the rank of advanced nuclear states," the announcer said, adding that the test was of a "miniaturised" device.

    The surprise test was personally ordered by North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un and came just two days before his birthday.

    Only last month, during remarks made during an inspection tour, Kim had suggested Pyongyang had already developed a hydrogen bomb -- although the claim was greeted with scepticism by international experts.

    A hydrogen, or thermonuclear device, uses fusion in a chain reaction that results in a far more powerful explosion.

    "The latest test, completely based on our technology and our manpower, confirmed that our newly-developed technological resources are accurate and scientifically demonstrated the impact of our miniaturised H-bomb," the TV announcer said.

    The announcement will leave the international community scrambling to verify the accuracy of the North's claims.

    Most experts had assumed Pyongyang was years from developing a thermonuclear bomb, while assessments were divided on how far it had gone in mastering the technology to miniaturise a device that could fit on a ballistic missile.

    While vowing to stick by a no-first use policy, Wednesday's statement said Pyongyang would continue to pursue an advanced nuclear strike capability.

    "As long as the vicious anti-North policy of the US persists, we will never stop development of our nuclear programme," it said.
     
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    Kshatriya87 Senior Member Senior Member

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    I personally do not believe a word these north Koreans say.
     
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    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1485...e-detected-north-korea-not-clear-if-nuke-test
     
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    Both pakis and North Koreans are jokers. N. Korea lacks all basic infrastructure and tech to make Fusion Bombs.
    India's nuclear facilities were much ahead of today's N.Korea, then, why we could not make large fusion bombs? o_O
    North Koreans have not made even a proper fission based bomb. Their fission bomb's blast yield is barely 5-6kt while a proper fission based bomb must have a yield of at least 20-25kt. Only then, anybody can dream of fusion bombs.
     
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    All hail glorious leader of humanity, hero of civilization Kim Jong Unnnnn

    I dunno man. I find this picture hilarious. BTW Who's that midget (to right of kim) ?
     
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    IDK which one you are talking about man, they all look like midgets.

    Jokes apart, I think this is serious news, not because N.Korea reached a technical milestone, in fact, just the opposite. As many have pointed out that N.Korea lacks the technical capacity to conduct such a thing, we shouldn't rule out the fact that other powers *might* be using N.Korea as a sandbox to carry out tests of their own nuclear weapons to fine tune them. It could be China, Russia, even Pakistan. If you test your nuke in N.Korea, there's perfect deniability as they take all the bad press and the sponsor nation gets to do their nuclear tests without facing sanctions.
     
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    Yes, we cannot rule out that possibility as well :D
     
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    It is in India's interest to enhance contact with N.Korea. Disregard American mainstream media propaganda, they do it because it suits *their* foreign policy. As a semi-failed, cash-starved nation at the periphery of China, N.Korea is of immense importance to us as a pressure point. There are two options : If we destabilize it, then it will cause a migrant flood to China, or another alternative is to strengthen it with weapons and use it to blackmail China. After all, we are giving weapons to Vietnam for the same reason, why should we ignore a golden opportunity and treat N.Korea as some sort of a joker who we need to laugh at and ignore.

    Plus, it will help us keep South Korea in check. Why? because we don't have any pressure points against them and they can (indurectly) send weapons to Pakistan. The US regularly uses it's vassal states to send arms to Pakistan to keep its own hands clean. Note that S.Korea passed on their tracked artillery tech to Turkey and we all know that Turkey and Pakistan suck each other's dicks so that tech might end up in Paki hands. America allowed many European nations to give arms to Pakistan because it suited them and we had no leverage against those individual nations. Fucking France even gave them AIP Subs.

    It's time we started cultivating hard deterrence against all nations of interest.
     
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    Very nice idea, we should increase ties with N.K. to test our nukes there. Well, we are known to have another option: some islands in Indian Ocean are beyond approach of US spy satellites but Indian Navy Patrols there. Also, there have been some news of "unusual earthquakes and tsunamis which should not come". :D
    As porkies can't reach those islands, we must be testing our nukes there. :peace:
    Our country was also blamed for doing so but in lack of proves US and China could do nothing. :biggrin2:
     
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    I'm not sure there is any spot on this planet which is unreachable by satellite imagery. We could do the testing in Vietnam. Our thermonuclear device was a dud during 1999, we have perfected it on computer simulators, I hope. We need to test it once in the open. I am sure Vietnam is willing to face sanctions in exchange for nukes. Win win for both of us.

    The US is not too keen on stopping proliferation. They tacitly allowed Pakistan to be armed by China because it supported their agenda. Right now, they desperately need India to balance China, which doesn't necessarily mean they would like us to have strategic weapons, but it is up to us how we negotiate the whole package deal by saying "if you need India to be on your side against China, you need to stop meddling in our strategic weapons projects". Some of these weapons are seen by the US as a threat to their hegemony so they will do all they can to hamper our projects, unless we make it clear that any such meddling will lead to India turning hostile and joining the Russia-Iran-China alliance.

    We played the Soviets against the US during the cold war, now we need to use the China card to keep the US on edge. This is precisely why it is essential to have some sort of arrangement with the Chinese, or at least make it appear like the Indians and Chinese aren't averse to arriving at a consensual compromise if their collective interests are threatened by the US. If the US feels that India and China are so enimical to each other that they would never talk, then they will start taking us for granted. Same applies to Pakistan. We can disagree over all things among ourselves but we should have a common-minimum understanding that we can't allow the US to get a strategic hold in the Indian ocean region. Hope China explains this to Pakistan.
     
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    What do you mean by "strategic hold" in the IOR?
    Somehting like Diego Garcia base?
    Or bases in Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain etc?
     
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    Interesting! Didn't read anything about that.

    Any links, please?
     
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    I was thinking of the same thing too. :wink:
     
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    You should, especially when the words are,about Nukes and Missiles.
     
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    Most analytical estimates suggest that 60% of world trade will flow through the IOR by 2035, and by 2050 India+China will represent 2/3 of global GDP. The person who controls this region will control world trade. This is huge leverage, both economic leverage, and in times of war, coercive leverage. For this one needs control of choke points which are also logistics supply bases for ships : Malacca Straits, Gulf of Suez, Persian Gulf, Djibouti. If the US comes and grabs these points the they can choke our trade, so we need to keep them out.
     
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    If there are blind spots in satellite coverage, wont they take additional measures to bridge that gap? Check US preparations during cold war. They laid a long sonar cable from US to europe to serve as an analogue trip wire to detect Soviet ships. These are people who do things meticulously. It's not like they will see a blind spot in their coverage and say "opps, we will never know what's going on there".

    Check this video, it shows their overlapping satellite coverage (timeline 6:00 to 8:00) :



    Imagine, if they are comfortable with deliberately showing the world these capabilities in their advertisement itself, then their real, undisclosed strength is bound to be at least 5X of that.
     
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