North East India is NOT India : Ashok Mitra

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  1. Ray

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    This should be an eyeopener to the Chinese as to how tolerant Indians can be.

    If this type of an article had appeared in China about China, then the author would have been put in jail and tortured.

    However, India is not China!

    As usual Ashok Mitra, who is a crypto Communist is once again sitting on his favourite hobby horse - dreaming how to divide India and planting the seed of discord and separatism.

    One does not have to be a die hard patriot to not only be scandalised, but also inflamed at the audacity and temerity of this man, who poses to be an intellectual, to pen such seditious thought.

    If one goes by his argument, one could say not one type of people of India is similar to the other.

    So, should be divide ourselves into small countries?

    And even in those small countries there will be divisional difference every 20 kms.

    So, our districts should also become countries by this idiot's logic!
     
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    I wonder how many feel that this crypto communist is talking sense and his plans are viable?

    Are the people of NE really different?

    Well then Bengalis too are different, in that their script is different.

    In fact, Tibetan Buddhism is but what a Bengali monk taught the Tibetans!

    Pmaitra would be able to throw greater light on the issue.
     
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    Sir I don't wanna sound offensive but I did see a video clip on Indian police beating up and dispersing NE protesters.

    People outside may know not much abt India... hmm, a little bit maybe

    IMO the writer has totally different views abt NE being part of India and sounds a separatist not much different from Uigurs or Tibetans whose reading of Uigur or Tibetan history is in disagreement with the official preaching that they've ALWAYS been "integral parts of China".. But crypto Communist? at least this write-up doesn't give any hint despite the pro independence intent
     
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    Punjab police beat protester every day,Haryana police does the same so is Delhi police. so it means Delhi, Punjab,Haryana is not India
     
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    That this fool Mitra does not understand.

    For all you know, he is a paid Agent provocateur!
     
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    My point is that the violence and atrocity and under development there is known outside India, not really a Pastorale is it? Isn't it one of motives for tribals to pursue alterntives? Even in the write-up Mitra complains abt education in NE.

    As for NE (not) being part of India it's beyond my knowledge.

    The writer does have a valid point NE could have had a similar chance like Ceylone or Burma at the time of Brits quitting the subcontinent.
     
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    they do the same thing with protesters all over india....their work is to control the mob not to hang around with them and have a beer..
     
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    The writer is a Communist. He was the Finance Minister of the Communist govt in Bengal!

    To him, everything is wrong with India.

    To him India is as imperialistic as Britain!

    He is an unique person.

    He survives and is not in jail because it is India!

    In India we are all different peoples in a political entity and VERY LIBERAL.

    Just like China in so far as diversity of peoples is concerned.

    Unlike China, we have not enforced being an Indian as an all encompassing identity as being a 'Han' in China.

    A vast country like China which has a colourful imperialist and expansionist history could not have 92% of its population as Han, unless it enforced assimilation by various means to make all Hans after conquest!

    One race does stand out notwithstanding the Chinese trying to do it down - the 100 Yues!

    India, not having done what China has done, has all these anomalies.
     
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    No sir, he shouldn't be thrown into jail. Even in China there're many advocating Tibet or Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang and Guangxi should not be China. But most don't act on such ideas. Many more jails are needed for holding dissidents if such thoughts are crimes.

    For example, even I agree that Tibet, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia could have been not China. China just got luck to hold these pieces in the turns and twists.

    And India...
     
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    Amoy,

    Note also the fact that I am not shy in posting this article which is totally anti Indian.

    Unlike what the Chinese posters claimed that it is wrong to post issues that are not in conformity to showcasing China!


    In India, we are not afraid to face the truth, no matter how unpleasant it is.

    One can't run away from the truth.
     
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    Thats the irony of it. All the commie pigs and the Maoist sympathisers in India , survive because India is a democracy.:mad:

    In my opinion, if not thrown out to jail, they should be sent to North korea , in promise of aid to North Korea, to work as a slave labourer there. Then only these traitors will shut their ass about communism:mad:
     
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    If they were in China, they would have been locked up or made to run into an Embassy for safety! :rofl:
     
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    But in the long run India has to prove to NE people that it's better off to stay than to secede. The writer is but an individual (or a paid Agent provocateur as u identified). But what abt millions of NE poeple? Do they think otherwise?
     
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    Do you know thew voter turn out in these states:)???

    Of course they wanna stay with us. Eventually they will realise, as the GDP picks up and the governance improves that, its better off to stay with India:nod:
     
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    the basic confusion with indian union - means what people have in their mind is that how so many cultures can be grouped together in one single nation/entity.
    usa and eu where people from almost all the possible cultural background are present the tag of outsider or immigrant is put over them so when they see india from their prism of sight they try to find out who is outsider and who is native! here the concept of minority is employed and the tag of outsider is put over the minorities of indian frontier and thus a separatist trumpet is blown.

    in other way we can say that the hindu population of ne represent the common thread which connects it to rest of hindu india.
    if its not race then religion can be used to show the unity.

    or if the mood persists one to go separatist then punjab and haryana though tiny and neighboring states of indian union dont have common majority (hindu and sikh ) and speak different languages and writes in different scripts. the only link is that both have farmers.
     
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    Ashok Mitra may be a commie, but his article is well written and plausible.

    The only question is, what is the alternative? The British faced the same problem - what do you do with a disparate bunch of people, many in different tribes who hold no sense of national identity. They cannot be a separate nation, as they do not see themselves as a unified separate nation, but as disparate tribes. The only plausible solution, is the de facto solution in place - i.e. they have a degree of autonomy in a federal structure.

    Are these people viewed as inferior elsewhere in India? Are they discriminated aganist?
     
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    So, you agree with him.

    Good.

    Therefore, tell me which community in India is similar.
     
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    Well just because Ceylon was removed from Indian administration doesn't mean it was right. IMO, Sri Lanka should have been a part of the Indian union. And what defines India? Its not just the Indo-Gangetic and Deccan religions and cultures, it is the idea that ANYONE no matter which ethnicity, religion and linguistic background you belong to, you can still be a proud Indian because you have full right to practice, promote and be proud of your individual ethnicity, religion or linguistic background. So a Christian tribal living in the NE is as much an India as the Hindu Brahmin in the Cow belt or a Muslim Memon or Bohri living in Gujarat.

    The people of NE have the right to vote and democratically choose their representatives and leaders unlike colonies during the imperial era when this option was not available. Yes, there should be grivenaces redressal for HR violations which do happen and for which there should be no excuse. But this in no way means that they are less "Indian" because HR violations took place. Even in the US/UK and other western countries there are HR violations and the like and the purpose should be in addressing this issue rather than make them feel less Indian or worse not Indian at all. And if there are some "policymakers" who as the author allege think of NE tribals as not "Indian" which I doubt then such people need to get their heads examined.
     
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    Bhai WAH!! this is the most aggressive post EVER from you. :shocked::kickass::bounce:
     
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    ^^^ Well I was just saying it from the historical context because a unified Indian subcontinent with the entire SAARC countries under a single political management would have made the job for India much easier in becoming a unified bloc. Otherwise, these smaller SAARC neighbors will always be used as pressure points by foreign powers much like the British and French played the various smaller kingdoms off against each other while they themselves took over the Indian subcontinent. Much like how China has tackled the same issue by taking over Sinkiang and Tibet although being unsuccessful on Taiwan. And I have always held the same view about India's diversity so nothing new in that.

    Ofcourse now that we have defined borders and we are signatories on the UN charter, we can't really invade and takeover Sri Lanka for example. That is why the next best option which is to create strong economic ties between the SAARC countries to make it tightly integrated economically. Much like what China has done economically with Taiwan and even Japan and S. Korea to an extent.
     
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