No terror tag for Pakistan, ISI: US

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  1. Blackwater

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    WASHINGTON: The United States is not considering terror tags for Pakistan and its intelligence agency ISI despite charges of their patronage of terrorist groups, American officials said on Friday, following the designation of the Pakistan-backed Haqqani network as a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

    "We are making absolutely no effort to begin a process to designate Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism," a Senior Administration Official told journalists in a background briefing, adding, "If anything, they have been an extremely valuable ally in countering extremism and terrorism, and we are committed to continuing and maintaining and increasing that coordination and cooperation."

    The remarks came in the face of copious commentaries in Pakistan's own civil society and media about the country's slide into extremism and patronage of terrorism, unhindered and in some cases supported by the government, the military-intelligence, and the judiciary. Pakistan also brazenly cracked down on people who helped the US eliminate Osama bin Laden attracting wide censure in the US and elsewhere.

    One official also reeled back the description by former US military chief Mike Mullen of the Haqqani Network as a "veritable arm" of the ISI, saying "this in no way is the consensus, unanimous view of this Administration." Weeks after a case in which the ISI was also accused of illegally funneling money to the US (in the Fai case), the official maintained that the administration's action was "targeted specifically at the Haqqani Network. It is not targeted in any way at any organ of the Pakistani Government."

    The officials also clarified that there is no relationship between an FTO designation and a state sponsorship one. "There is none....there's no legal relationship between these things. In plenty of countries, we have had groups designated and it's never made any difference in terms of our deliberations regarding the bilateral relationship with that country, except of course to strengthen our resolve to work with them to deal with their extremism problem," one of the two officials who briefed said.

    Reflecting the complex, tricky, and often contradictory policy under which Washington tries to deal with Pakistan despite its dalliance with terrorism, one of the officials said the administration had previewed the Haqqani designation with senior civilian and military leadership in Pakistan for several weeks and "they did not express concern about this designation." But the designation was criticized by Islamabad as soon as it was announced, with a warning from one unnamed Pakistani official that it will "negatively impact future relations with Pakistan."

    But the US officials maintained they did not "foresee that this will have a negative impact on the overall relationship," and said Washington will continue to engage with Pakistan "to ensure that we are cooperating as effectively as possible to eliminate the threat posed to both US. and Pakistani interests." There was no mention of the Haqqani network attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul which killed one of its diplomats and military personnel, and which US sources had said was conducted at the behest of the Pakistani intelligence.

    The US officials conceded that Washington and Islamabad have had a difficult time: in the last 18 months but things were looking up and "we expect that trajectory to continue."

    Over the coming weeks, a series of bilateral senior meetings are expected to take place in the lead-up to the UN General Assembly meeting in New York, including the possible visits to Washington of Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar, President Zardari, and military chief, Pervez Ashfaq Kayani, as the two sides try and put their ties back on track.


    No terror tag for Pakistan, ISI: US - The Times of India
     
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  3. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    ISI are the contacts for USA without this relation USA could not do anything involving Pakistan.
    No matter what happens this will not change. ISI -CIA relations go back decades. When ISI
    was first setup British/Australian secret service and military personnel provided the training.
     
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  4. Yusuf

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    Hey didn't have to say there was absolutely no effort to initiate a process to declare Pakistsn a sponsor of terror.

    I mean talking about Pakistan in the same breath as terror organization and a lame denial as well actually raises question of when and not if Pak gets labelled as a terror state.
     
  5. Oracle

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    /\/\/\ Why do we need US to tag Pakistan? It would help if US tags Pakistan (US is in a cauldron), but India too can tag Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism. It's just a case of being pro-active and being blunt, other countries will follow.
     
  6. LETHALFORCE

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    What is the pointing of tagging them we have done that for decades and nothing, give the proof
    and take action.
     
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    LF, all that we have done is play recorded rhetoric and discussions in media. Pakistan as a 'State Sponsoring Terrorism' should be highlighted on the website of Ministry of External Affairs, Union Home Ministry, PMO, President - in red. GoI, also need to put out adverts on a quarterly basis on leading newspapers.
     
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    There are 2 avenues for India:
    1)Get more involved inside Pakistan For the price of one C-17 you can get a lot accomplished inside Pakistan.
    2)Build up Afghanistan against Pakistan

    The second avenue seems to be the choice by USA and India.
     
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    It should be - No terror tag yet to Pakistan and ISI.
     
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    Good points. From a HUMINT perspective, # 1 should also be on the priority list. #2 is already being played out I guess.
     
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    This will not happen it will be an embarrassment for US to label them a non -NATO ally.
    India for years told US intelligence Osama was in Pakistan, after being found in a military
    complex USA still did not do anything against Pakistan except give more aid. Why dosen't
    USA do the same thing to Saddam/Iraq, Kaddafi/libya or Asad/Syria? The whole war on terror
    farce was to get Osama Bin Laden statements like "you are with us or with the enemy"
    made only to reward the country that sheltered and protected the most hated man in America.
     
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  12. A chauhan

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    Is this the first time when US has used 'terror tag' 'Pakistan' and 'ISI' together ? What a common American voter thinks about Pakistan?
     
  13. The Messiah

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    Yanks still prefer pakis because they know at the end of the day pakis will bend over while India wouldn't. Plus in the long term scenario India needs to be contained so pakis would be useful.

    Any Indo-US deal that favours India more than usa would never be signed because it goes against the ethos of yank foreign policy.
     
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    The common American voter, if he has an opinion, thinks Pakistanis operate cheap motels.
     
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    If Uncle Sam takes India for granted, it only means Pakistan is the problem. And strategic leverage with Pakistan against India does not seem plausible.
     
  16. mki

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    wait for 2014 and see the things changed dramatically...
    1. NATO/US combat force will be out of Afghanistan, so no need for pakis.
    2. congis will be out of Indian c-govt. so hope this liberal visa and other rubbish thing will be halted. and hope new govt will take strong action in favor on india.
     
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    US won't tag Pakis as 'Terrorist State', until the moment comes and Pakistan as a country have to decide which side to go.

    The day they have to select only one out of these two options.......1) Stay with US. 2) Stay with China+ Russia,.....and if they select option 2.

    Than Pakistan will be declared as 'Terrorist State'.

    Pakistan is trying their best to keep balance as much as they can.

    But there is no way that they can keep this situation for long.

    One day they have to select one out of these two.

    The most funniest part of these is, everybody knows it, that one day Pakistan gonna get the tag as a 'Terrorist State'.

    It is just a question of time.

    Wait little more, they will get that tag, sooner or later.
     
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    Option 1 is more profitable than option 2
     
  20. hit&run

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    Only India who has to tag Pakistan as a terrorist state, so we have to place bounties of Pakistani nationals who are involved in terrorism against India and hunt them where ever they are.

    It so bloody spineless of every Indian government and Indians that we need tags issued by someone else but hasn't issued even one by dragging them to ICJ or UNO.

    USA will do what is in its national interest like we are doing; going to Islamabad walking over dead bodies of 26/11 shaking hands with their shemale foreign minister giving you blunt answers supporting terrorist like Hafiz Saeed and our stammering FM giving statements like Donald Duck.
     
  21. Zebra

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    For whom? :D

    ;)

    For Pakistan, yes it is and always.

    For India, either way it is win win.

    That's what I said before (on some other thread), for Pakistan- stay with US, get pain in the a$$. Stay away from US get pain everywhere.
     
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