No surprises : Indian bureaucracy rated worst in Asia

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  1. Singh

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    [h=1]Indian Bureaucracy Rated Worst In Asia - World News[/h]Singapore: Indian bureaucracy is the worst in Asia with a 9.21 rating out of 10, according to a report by a prestigious consulting firm based in Singapore.


    India fared worst than Vietnam (rated at 8.54), Indonesia (8.37), Philippines (7.57) and China (7.11), said the report released on Wednesday by Hong Kong-based Political & Economic Risk Consultancy Ltd.
    Singapore remained the best with a rating of 2.25, followed by Hong Kong (3.53), Thailand (5.25) Taiwan (5.57), Japan (5.77), South Korea (5.87) and Malaysia (5.89).


    According to a report by a Singapore consulting firm, Indian bureaucracy was worst with a 9.21 rating.
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    The report said India's inefficient bureaucracy was largely responsible for most of the biggest complaints that business executive have about the country.


    The complaints included inadequate infrastructure and corruption, where officials were willing to accept under-the-table payments and companies were tempted to pay to overcome bureaucratic inertia and gain government favours, the report claimed.


    The report also highlighted onerous and fickle tax, environmental and other regulations that could make business in India "so frustrating and expensive".


    It said dealing with court system in India was an unattractive option for companies, and would be best to avoid it.


    The bureaucrats were rarely held accountable for wrong decisions and it would be extremely difficult to challenge them when there were disagreements, it said.


    "This gives them (bureaucrats) terrific powers and could be one of the main reasons why average Indians as well as existing and would-be foreign investors perceive India's bureaucrats as negatively as they do," said the report.


    But there were plus points when India was compared to countries within the economic development group.
    In the 2011-12 Global Competitiveness Report of the World Economic Forum, India ranked behind China but ahead of Russia and Brazil for the burden of government regulations as well as for the burden of customs procedures.


    India was also second to Brazil but well ahead of China and Russia for the quality of regulation and supervision of the securities exchange, said the report.


    India was also better than Brazil, Russia and China as the fastest place to set up a new business and to deal with construction permits, and was the second fastest place to deal with export and import procedures, the report said.

    Indian bureaucracy rated worst in Asia - World News - IBNLive


     
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  3. maomao

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    Trust me, not even an ounce of surprise! Knowing how the Top Babus run this country for their political masters in exchange money and favors - has been a common knowledge for many!
     
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    Worse than Pkistan ?..that is hard to believe .
     
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    Yaaaai! The whole country knew our bureaucracy is in the stone age. Now the whole world will know.

    I did not even see Pakistan in the list. Their bureaucracy is the Army. They probably don't count. :)
     
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    Our babus always makes us proud
     
  7. kickok1975

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    I think most people in bottom 5 can't bear with their bureaucracy.
     
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    Pakistan has faster management (though negative) because of military's pressure at certain points. Here there is no heat like that which babus face. So we are worse than Pakistan in Bureaucracy.
     
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    I completely agree with the assessment. I can't get a Residency Certificate despite having all necessary documents. Always there will be something or the other lacking according to them. In my assessment that must be the bribe. Pathetic bureaucracy!
     
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    I am surprised when I see exceptions in babu-cacy.
     
  11. Daredevil

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    India’s babus need a mental makeover


    Insensitive, indifferent, unresponsive, corrupt, slothful, arrogant and unintelligent — the typical Indian bureaucrat has been accused of being all this and even more. The fact that bureaucracy, the`steel frame of India’ has rusted beyond repair and has lost the purpose of its existence, needs no overstating. Thus the fact that it has been ranked the worst in Asia by an international consulting firm, surprises no one.

    A survey by the Hong Kong-based Political & Economic Risk Consultancy Ltd, rates Indian bureaucracy 9.21 out of 10 on the inefficiency scale, the worst in the continent. The rating causes some embarrassment as the country fares worse than countries like Vietnam, Malaysia and China. It reveals the depth of the rot in what is supposed to be the bridge that connects the government to the people.

    Among several observations the survey makes, two stand out. First, bureaucrats are hardly held accountable for flawed decisions and it is extremely difficult to challenge them in case of disagreements. “This gives them (bureaucrats) terrific powers and could be one of the main reasons why average Indians as well as existing and would-be foreign investors perceive India’s bureaucrats as negatively as they do,” the report says.


    The present system of selecting civil servants, a colonial relic, is outdated: Reuters

    Second, the report states that Indian officials are game for under-the-table payments and companies are tempted to play ball to overcome bureaucratic inertia. Neither of these observations should raise an eyebrow in India. Nobody ever wins an argument against a bureaucrat and if he messes things up for the client — the service receiver — he is almost certain to go unpunished. The bribe part is so common that it needs no further mention.

    The report also says that the civil service is a power centre in its own right and is too stubborn to allow change through reforms. It is a fact that the bureaucracy has an independent life of its own in the country and survives by its own rules. The regular bureaucrat has the security of legally guaranteed tenure, promotion in service and perks. He does not have to be accountable to people like his political masters. Unlike most other people in the country he enjoys the best of all worlds. Thus it is rather self-explanatory that he would not have any enthusiasm for reforms.

    That the Indian Civil Service has been churning out bureaucrats of poor quality has been a worry for the minders in the top echelons of the administration and government for a long time. Only recently, the Lal Bahadur Shastri National Academy of Administration in Mussoorie, which trains India’s civil servants, has given serious thought to imbibing the culture of efficiency in them. According to media reports, it has tied up with the Indian subsidiary of the American Society for Quality, to train civil servants in better systems management.

    But it is a case of too little too late. Why can’t we have a system where efficiency and competence, at whatever level of administration, is rewarded? The country still produces a good number of capable officers who are sincere to their jobs and are sensitive to the service needs of the people. The current system, which works among several self-serving alliances of dishonest bureaucrats, is not likely to encourage them. The administrative reform initiave, if at all there is one, must take this into serious consideration.

    It is also clear that the present system of selecting civil servants, a colonial relic, is outdated. It is only good at producing clerks — actually, that was the original idea when the Britishers started it — not intelligent, perceptive officers. If many of them are incompetent, prone to shirking responsibility and bad at taking decisions, the blame lies with the way their knowledge and aptitude is put to test. Clever candidates can always find their way around to success.

    Serious efforts are needed to bring the Indian bureaucracy out of the rot it is in. There has to be a shift in the mindset of the bureaucrats and their worldview as well. The present arrangement, which makes bureaucrats the givers and the people the receivers, must change too.

    Will civil society take note of this? Fat chance. With politicians as a convenient target, the do-gooders may find little interest in serious matters like the bureaucracy.
     
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    This mofo Akshaya Mishra was tooth and nail against the Anna team and now he asks 'is Civil Society noting this?'. He should be kicked in the rear for this hypocrisy. There can be change in bureaucracy only when there is an agency which can hold them accountable. Our Politicians and Babus don't want it. So we are stuck where we were with no change in bureaucracy.
     
  13. Bhadra

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    When you fail to get anywhere after 12th
    when you fail to make grade after graduation
    when you even fail to get anywhere after your post garduation
    when every one rejects you
    when you are around 26 - 28 years

    you are suddenly a candidate of All India Civil services Examination
    Welcome to Indian Babudom !!
     
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    Unfortunately this is why India will never really compete with China when it comes to attracting business enterprise.
     
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    The IAS chaps are not all dumb.

    They are quite bright, but the style of work and the other issues make them braindead and robots.

    While they are quite tardy in their approach, yet they are not all that bad to be the worst.

    It is just that because they are not to the liking of the West who think that everything should be Open Sesame for them, they are merely running a media campaign.

    This is what is known as disinformation!
     
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    Reduce the red tape to solve the problem rather than add another layer which anna wants.

    Fewer hands file passes through means faster procedure, more accountablity and less scope for bribes.
     
  17. Bhadra

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    Who says they are dumb !

    They are the meanest creature and termites existing in India who have eaten away all the basic fabric of an edifice called India.

    Good look India if they continue the way they have been.
     
  18. Rahul M

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    I hope people realize that the report primarily speaks about state bureaucracy that deals directly with business interests and the common man rather than IAS and allied services.

    rather stupid thing to say, most of the folk who get in are highly qualified, IITians, docs even PhD holders.
     
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    16 JAN, 2012, 04.38AM IST, Is Indian bureaucracy the worst?

    Bureaucracy bashing is India's favourite national vocation. And for good reason. Our bureaucracy has its good share of crooks, criminals and cheats who need to be put away - with or without a Lokpal. The simple counter-question is, does the bureaucracy have a disproportionately larger share of crooks than in other professions in India, and the data clearly does not say a resounding yes.

    In fact, there is perhaps roughly an equal proportion of crooks in the corporate sector (where routinely kickbacks are taken in large-scale procurement and bribing government), in politics, in the media (from paid news to fixing deals, blackmailing, etc), to professional service firms (reputed law firms becoming 'payment gateways' for bribes).

    This article is meant to throw some light on the proverbial other side. It is not meant to deny or defend the existence of crooks in the Indian Administrative Service (IAS) or other civil services, but merely shows the other side, because there is one. In the din surrounding corruption, even the finest of minds are making the mistake of tarring everyone with the same brush, which is simply not correct.

    First, when the late Rajiv Gandhi was brutally assassinated in 1991, tempers ran high and there was mayhem all around in Sriperumbudur.One IPS officer, without any weapon on his self, protected the body from being ravaged. His name was Dr R K Raghavan, one of India's most distinguished police officers, whom the Supreme Court relies on routinely for helping them with sensitive cases, only because of his impartiality and honesty.

    Second, if today millions of Indians are able to pay their electricity bills online or transact on their property easily, without paying bribes to anyone, the credit goes, not to a Lokpal watching over every single government servant, but to Rentala Chandrashekhar, J Satyanarayana and their extraordinary team of IAS officers who pioneered e-governance in the country.

    Likewise, if Hyderabad became the toast of the global investor community, with Microsoft establishing its only offshore facility outside the US till date, and Google, HSBC and Oracle, to name just a few, investing millions and creating thousands of jobs, the credit goes to the same team.

    Third, does anyone even begin to realise the kind of personal threats to self and family, faced by V V Lakshminarayana of the IPS, and Dr U V Singh and Vipin Singh of the IFS, in taking on the intensely dangerous mining mafia or Ratn Sanjay in raiding and uncovering human remains inside the house of Shahabuddin, MP? Would an IIM, MBA or an IIT techie work in such a circumstance?

    Fourth, how many of those who throw stones at the bureaucracy would be willing to step into the shoes of K M Abraham of the IAS, who took on the combined might of Reliance, Sahara Parivar and the Bank of Rajasthan, only to uphold the law and to maintain the independence of an impartial regulator against all odds?
     

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