That's what you think! But we all know that chinese has always been WRONG! So umm.....you got the answer.
No Indian business visas for Chinese: Chidambaram
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The only difference is indians mentally work harder which is invisible and chinese physically work harder . [mod] Mod Edit : Sister , while appreciating your thought about ability of Indian workers and industriousness, a request please do not get personal.[/mod]
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This type of decision should not be directed to Chinese workers. What is the definition of a highly skilled worker? The recent chimney accident is a example. If the project has been awarded to a Chinese company just let the company plan, do their job and be counted for anything wrong. These workers are just there for their work.
Instead, the new policy would just increase paper work, time and beaurocracy. It will not help Indian workers.
Instead, the new policy would just increase paper work, time and beaurocracy. It will not help Indian workers.
What's the major reason for India to ask foreign workers leave the country?
Oct 31 was the deadline for foreign nationals who have entered India on a busines visa. According to the Home Ministry of India, those who stay in the country will be entitled as illegal workers. The new rules for issurance of business visa was made after the Ministry found that a large number of Chinese were working there.
From Nov 1, business visa was only issured to high-level executive personnels, trade consultants and other experts. It is not quite clear how many foreign workers have been affected by the new rule, but some expertes said that there might be more than ten thousand.
Indian media said that Chinese workers are the major group who were affected by the document. Some projects carried out by Chinese companies were forced to stop due to the lack of workers.
Oct 31 was the deadline for foreign nationals who have entered India on a busines visa. According to the Home Ministry of India, those who stay in the country will be entitled as illegal workers. The new rules for issurance of business visa was made after the Ministry found that a large number of Chinese were working there.
From Nov 1, business visa was only issured to high-level executive personnels, trade consultants and other experts. It is not quite clear how many foreign workers have been affected by the new rule, but some expertes said that there might be more than ten thousand.
Indian media said that Chinese workers are the major group who were affected by the document. Some projects carried out by Chinese companies were forced to stop due to the lack of workers.
FYI, My cousin is working in Shangai for building Powerplant. I am not telling that Chinese are not equipped... but we are also experts.
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the rejection of visa for chinese workers will increase the cost of power projections .
such additional cost eventually will convert to consumers here.
once the power projects are finished , indian people in the forum may have to pay more rupees for electricity supply
such additional cost eventually will convert to consumers here.
once the power projects are finished , indian people in the forum may have to pay more rupees for electricity supply
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No hard and fast rule. There are dozens of projects upcoming, and it's not like Indian workers won't be trained, or that Chinese workers are nuclear scientists.
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To address this deficiency, in democratic India, we have something regarded as a Tender system, according to which every contexting companies need to submit lowest bid to win the contract of the project, and this is exactly the reason why Chinese companies are thriving in India based on their cheapest submission of lowest possible cost that India have to pay.
In case, Chinese companies try to increase the cost which will of course breach the terms and conditions of tender that they were agreed upon while submitting their bid by only giving the pretext of Labour diversion then they will promptly penalize for the same and simply thrown out of Indian territory.
I said that India did it right. China should reconsider if we really want to get involved into Indian infrastructure projects. Indian government could also offer an option of a legal exit of the contracts for Chinese companies, I think. It is a policy change and unbudgeted interruption for those projects by any standards. Indian companies could take over and do it themselves in a complete Indian fashion.
Personally I thought it be a joke in the first place why India let foreign companies to take these construction projects with regards to their skillful entrepreneurs and huge working forces.
Personally I thought it be a joke in the first place why India let foreign companies to take these construction projects with regards to their skillful entrepreneurs and huge working forces.
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^^^ I beg to differ. While there may be a degree of hostility among the members of the defense community suspicious of Chinese entrepreneurial activity and the espial implications of it in India, it seems that our government is far more pragmatic with the business is business bit.
Huge spurt in business visas issued to Chinese
Kartikeya, TNN 29 October 2009, 01:00am IST
MUMBAI: Amidst all the talk of hostility between India and China, here's some news that's more in the Hindi-Chini bhai bhai mould: the number of Chinese businessmen coming to India as guests of their Indian counterparts has shown a fourfold increase in the last four years. A glance at the statistics shows that the number of business visas issued to Chinese nationals by the Indian government has increased from just 15,979 in 2004 to 58,658 in 2008. This year, 26,104 visas have already been issued until June.
According to experts, the visa stats show a growing level of cooperation between Chinese and Indian businessmen, as a business visa is issued to a foreign national only when he has an Indian company or businessman to vouch for him and sponsor his trip to India. Moreover, such visas are issued with the sole purpose of letting the visitor explore trade opportunities in India.
To obtain a visa, Chinese businessmen submit a letter from a sponsoring business organisation in India to the Indian missions abroad. The letter indicates the nature of their business, probable duration of stay in India and the places they will be visiting. The Indian sponsor also guarantees that he will meet any maintenance expenses the Chinese businessman may incur during his stay in India.
The business visas are not work permits, and fears have been expressed in certain quarters that they are being misused by Chinese workers to seek employment in India. But the fact remains that trade relations between the two countries are at a robust level — indeed, China replaced the USA as India's largest trade partner in 2009. The two countries have the fastest growing economies in the world and their bilateral trade touched 36 billion US dollars in the last financial year.
The business visas allow Chinese businessmen to attend conferences, engage in trade negotiations and undertake fact-finding missions with regard to potential buyers and suppliers. They usually get a period of six months to do so although a few business visas with a validity of ten years are also issued to those foreign businessmen who have set up or intend to set up joint ventures in India.
Huge spurt in business visas issued to Chinese - India - The Times of India
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Moreover, Chinese workers are always under sub rosa surveillance by internal intelligence, the IB, which, despite colossal failures in 2008, ranks as one of the top five intelligence agencies in the world when it comes to physical surveillance, bugging operations and black-bag jobs.
Huge spurt in business visas issued to Chinese
Kartikeya, TNN 29 October 2009, 01:00am IST
MUMBAI: Amidst all the talk of hostility between India and China, here's some news that's more in the Hindi-Chini bhai bhai mould: the number of Chinese businessmen coming to India as guests of their Indian counterparts has shown a fourfold increase in the last four years. A glance at the statistics shows that the number of business visas issued to Chinese nationals by the Indian government has increased from just 15,979 in 2004 to 58,658 in 2008. This year, 26,104 visas have already been issued until June.
According to experts, the visa stats show a growing level of cooperation between Chinese and Indian businessmen, as a business visa is issued to a foreign national only when he has an Indian company or businessman to vouch for him and sponsor his trip to India. Moreover, such visas are issued with the sole purpose of letting the visitor explore trade opportunities in India.
To obtain a visa, Chinese businessmen submit a letter from a sponsoring business organisation in India to the Indian missions abroad. The letter indicates the nature of their business, probable duration of stay in India and the places they will be visiting. The Indian sponsor also guarantees that he will meet any maintenance expenses the Chinese businessman may incur during his stay in India.
The business visas are not work permits, and fears have been expressed in certain quarters that they are being misused by Chinese workers to seek employment in India. But the fact remains that trade relations between the two countries are at a robust level — indeed, China replaced the USA as India's largest trade partner in 2009. The two countries have the fastest growing economies in the world and their bilateral trade touched 36 billion US dollars in the last financial year.
The business visas allow Chinese businessmen to attend conferences, engage in trade negotiations and undertake fact-finding missions with regard to potential buyers and suppliers. They usually get a period of six months to do so although a few business visas with a validity of ten years are also issued to those foreign businessmen who have set up or intend to set up joint ventures in India.
Huge spurt in business visas issued to Chinese - India - The Times of India
x-x-x-x
Moreover, Chinese workers are always under sub rosa surveillance by internal intelligence, the IB, which, despite colossal failures in 2008, ranks as one of the top five intelligence agencies in the world when it comes to physical surveillance, bugging operations and black-bag jobs.
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shallow statement, come on you are better then that. The winners are announced via tender process and the winner has to stick to the projections they have given if they can't adhere to the statement they have agreed to they are out of business.
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Work visas for skilled Chinese may double
Work visas for skilled Chinese may double - Home - livemint.com
Govt plans this move as a dearth of workers at power plants could lead India to fall short of its generation target by 31%
New Delhi: In an attempt to meet the country’s burgeoning electricity demand and placate China, the Indian government plans to double the number of work visas for skilled Chinese workers. The move follows complaints that a shortage of Chinese workers was stalling the construction of power plants.
The government is concerned because India could fall around 4,000MW short of the 13,000MW of power generation capacity it has targeted adding during 2009-10, mainly because of visa problems faced by Chinese workers associated with electricity projects.
The estimated shortfall is enough to meet the demands of a city the size of Delhi.
The number of work visas will be increased to 40 per electricity generation project, from 20, at the behest of the power ministry.
The issue was recently discussed at a meeting called by cabinet secretary K.M. Chandrashekhar.
“Wherever Chinese are building their plants, they are getting affected. We have referred the problem to the Union ministry of power and they are likely to come up with some solution,” said Rakesh Nath, chairman of the Central Electricity Authority, India’s apex power sector planning body.
The decision is also being viewed as an attempt to defuse tension between China and India. Several Indian power project developers have placed orders with Chinese firms, largely on account of the inability of local manufacturers to meet growing demand for equipment. Chinese equipment is relatively inexpensive and immediately available.
“In view of the power projects that have ordered equipment from Chinese suppliers getting delayed, the government is thinking about doubling the number of work visas for Chinese skilled workers from 20 people per unit to 40,” said H.S. Brahma, Union power secretary.
India has long sought to protect local power equipment makers from their Chinese rivals.
Some Chinese firms have complained of bias against them arising from security issues which prevents them from winning significant contracts here.
Chinese workers find it increasingly difficult to secure visas.
Brahma had earlier told Mint that his ministry had received representations from Indian firms to limit the presence of Chinese players in the sector.
Indian power generating firms have placed orders for equipment to generate 26,000MW with Chinese firms such as Shanghai Electric Group Co. Ltd, Dongfang Electric Corp. and Harbin Power Equipment Co. Ltd.
These companies are also sitting on so-called letters of intent from Indian firms for equipment to the tune of 25,000MW.
China exported $31.33 billion worth of goods to India in 2008-09.
“The visa criteria should be comprehensive, which has to stand the test of time,” said Shubhranshu Patnaik, an executive director at consultancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers. Around “26,000MW has already been placed with the Chinese. Given that situation, you will have to find a way how they (Chinese) will implement it. You can’t wish them away. They will have to bring in their people to implement these projects.”
Bharatsinh Solanki, Union minister of state for power, informed the Rajya Sabha on 24 November that due to the visa policy, the new power plants being constructed by Chinese companies will get delayed.
Some of the projects getting affected because of the limited number of visas allowed to Chinese workers include those of Anil Ambani-owned Reliance-Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group, Lanco Infratech Ltd and JSW Energy Ltd.
Questions emailed to the spokespersons of the three companies and the Indian representatives of Shanghai Electric and Dongfang Electric Corp. on Friday remained unanswered at the time of filing this story.
India has already revised the power generation targets for the 11th Plan from 87,577MW to 62,000MW.
Progress so far has been limited, with only 9,300MW of generation capacity added in 2007-08 against a target of 12,000MW.
Only 3,500MW was added against the target of 11,000MW in 2008-09.
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I think GOI this time made good decision than last time, it created a win-win situation: providing professional resources to India's fast growing infra and offering job chances for Chinese workers at this economy low time.
People are saying that even India made a unwise mistake, but he quickly corrected it.
Work visas for skilled Chinese may double - Home - livemint.com
Govt plans this move as a dearth of workers at power plants could lead India to fall short of its generation target by 31%
New Delhi: In an attempt to meet the country’s burgeoning electricity demand and placate China, the Indian government plans to double the number of work visas for skilled Chinese workers. The move follows complaints that a shortage of Chinese workers was stalling the construction of power plants.
The government is concerned because India could fall around 4,000MW short of the 13,000MW of power generation capacity it has targeted adding during 2009-10, mainly because of visa problems faced by Chinese workers associated with electricity projects.
The estimated shortfall is enough to meet the demands of a city the size of Delhi.
The number of work visas will be increased to 40 per electricity generation project, from 20, at the behest of the power ministry.
The issue was recently discussed at a meeting called by cabinet secretary K.M. Chandrashekhar.
“Wherever Chinese are building their plants, they are getting affected. We have referred the problem to the Union ministry of power and they are likely to come up with some solution,” said Rakesh Nath, chairman of the Central Electricity Authority, India’s apex power sector planning body.
The decision is also being viewed as an attempt to defuse tension between China and India. Several Indian power project developers have placed orders with Chinese firms, largely on account of the inability of local manufacturers to meet growing demand for equipment. Chinese equipment is relatively inexpensive and immediately available.
“In view of the power projects that have ordered equipment from Chinese suppliers getting delayed, the government is thinking about doubling the number of work visas for Chinese skilled workers from 20 people per unit to 40,” said H.S. Brahma, Union power secretary.
India has long sought to protect local power equipment makers from their Chinese rivals.
Some Chinese firms have complained of bias against them arising from security issues which prevents them from winning significant contracts here.
Chinese workers find it increasingly difficult to secure visas.
Brahma had earlier told Mint that his ministry had received representations from Indian firms to limit the presence of Chinese players in the sector.
Indian power generating firms have placed orders for equipment to generate 26,000MW with Chinese firms such as Shanghai Electric Group Co. Ltd, Dongfang Electric Corp. and Harbin Power Equipment Co. Ltd.
These companies are also sitting on so-called letters of intent from Indian firms for equipment to the tune of 25,000MW.
China exported $31.33 billion worth of goods to India in 2008-09.
“The visa criteria should be comprehensive, which has to stand the test of time,” said Shubhranshu Patnaik, an executive director at consultancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers. Around “26,000MW has already been placed with the Chinese. Given that situation, you will have to find a way how they (Chinese) will implement it. You can’t wish them away. They will have to bring in their people to implement these projects.”
Bharatsinh Solanki, Union minister of state for power, informed the Rajya Sabha on 24 November that due to the visa policy, the new power plants being constructed by Chinese companies will get delayed.
Some of the projects getting affected because of the limited number of visas allowed to Chinese workers include those of Anil Ambani-owned Reliance-Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group, Lanco Infratech Ltd and JSW Energy Ltd.
Questions emailed to the spokespersons of the three companies and the Indian representatives of Shanghai Electric and Dongfang Electric Corp. on Friday remained unanswered at the time of filing this story.
India has already revised the power generation targets for the 11th Plan from 87,577MW to 62,000MW.
Progress so far has been limited, with only 9,300MW of generation capacity added in 2007-08 against a target of 12,000MW.
Only 3,500MW was added against the target of 11,000MW in 2008-09.
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I think GOI this time made good decision than last time, it created a win-win situation: providing professional resources to India's fast growing infra and offering job chances for Chinese workers at this economy low time.
People are saying that even India made a unwise mistake, but he quickly corrected it.
One could only shrug and try to understand the mentality of decision making of Indian government. A few thousand Chinese workers went home since November. More will be back on account of the visa policy change.
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well, it seems that the stone-cold fact makes indian government realized that India can not afford to the rejection of visa for chinese workers will increase the cost of power projections .
besides ,it also reflects that the quality of India labour needs improving
besides ,it also reflects that the quality of India labour needs improving
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Chinese tourism is $ 130+ billion industry with 40+ million outbound tourists every year who spend more than $3000 every trip.
This more business visa thing, might bring in the businessman's family or friends which can contribute to indian tourism industry.
This more business visa thing, might bring in the businessman's family or friends which can contribute to indian tourism industry.
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India won't be the main destination of CHinese tourists.
main reason is that India infrastructure of accomodation is too undeveloped .
Frankly speaking, the cost performance of Indian accomodation is extremely "poor",according to most CHinese visitors who has been to India.
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issued to foreigners who are invited to China for business visit, consult with business associates, attend professional or business convention, make commercial contacts, or culture exchanges, short-term studies for a period of no more than six months. China business visa is valid for 6 months with single-entry, 6 months with double-entry, or 6 months/12 months with multiple-entry.
