No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor says

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    parijataka Senior Member Senior Member

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    Then get your party abolish Minority Commission Mr Shashi Tharoor. Another deracinated Mallu talking through his ***.

    No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor says

    NEW DELHI: No community, including Hindus, can claim majority status in India as it is essentially a country of people with various beliefs, Congress leader and former Union minister Shashi Tharoor said here on Tuesday.

    "There is no community in the country which can claim to be a majority. It is true that Hindus are majority but within the community there are caste, regional and linguistic differences. So within Hindu community also there are people with minority status and they experience it," he said.

    He was speaking at the fifth annual lecture of National Minority Commission (NCM).

    Tharoor gave several examples of diversity within a common regional or caste belief.

    "Brahmins in Karnataka and West Bengal share the same regional belief but have distinct identities of their regions. They get along better with people of their own places and origin even though if the other person follows a different religion," he said.

    Accepting that some minority communities do "suffer from greater disadvantages", Tharoor said, "It will be wrong to generalise anything about India as there are 22 languages, 22,000 dialects and 85 political parties in our country...Our nationalism is not based on language, geography, ethnicity. It is the nationalism of an idea of living in harmony with diverse views."

    The former minister of state for external affairs said, "We all have different point of views and policies and we all respect it. From that point of view we all are minorities."

    Replying to question over incidents of communal and ethnic clashes in the country, he said the Indian identity of citizens should matter the most.

    "There are inter-communal clashes. Sometime it happens between two minority communities, which has happened in Assam. Sometime the majority community attacks the minorities, which happened in Gujarat, but at the end we all have to survive together," he said.

    NCM chairperson Wajahat Habibullah said the motive of the lecture was to spread a positive message about India.
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    Then offer us minority reservation
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor

    I think Mr. Tharoor is way too smart to fall for his polemic.

    No community in India is in majority, when looking at it linguistically, ethnically, caste wise etc. And when it comes to religion, Hinduism is already undefined, so it is not possible to group them. These arguments are certainly admissible.

    However, the early leaders didn't believe that everyone is minority, hence they chose to make the state a republic. Republic is a form of govt, where minority and individual rights and liberties are protected.

    However, Mr. Tharoor is forgetting that factions can end up dominating the narrative and hold the govt hostage. One needn't be in majority to exercise influence over the polity and governance to suit oneself at the cost of others. One should only look at billionaires like Ambani, in numbers they are maybe a few dozen, but in influence on the decision making they are the most dominant.
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor

    Then why Minority Commission if Hinduism is undefined and hence not a majority ? Each caste and sub caste in Hindiism in that case should be treated as a minority... :).
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    If there is no majority, then obviously there is no minority as well.
    Is Mr. Tharoor ready to publicly ridicule the idea of minority reservation and take a clear stand, I think not.
    Anyone for true equality?
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    This is another propaganda to divide and rule India :facepalm: ! todo India ko .. kha jao India ko kangressi chamcho
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor

    Indian seldom understand the undercurrent flowing behind the "reservation". It segregates the "caste/class/linguistic/sub-class/" into "another" identity and it becomes permanent.This is totally baseless, No study has been done to "correlate" the linguistic/religious/caste" minority, the "cause" of this minorit-"ism" and the "effect" of "reservation". This reservation is done on the basis of 1931 "Caste Census" and the latest "Economic and Caste Census" will NOT be published for fear of its misuse :why:
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    Another confused politician as usual play the religious card even if you give the image of sophisticated leader.

    Better the Kurta modi atleast he tells his vision for his state and he's not busy giving statistics on minority or majority.
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    If there is no majority ,then why hundreds of commission suggesting reservation in government ,minority ministers etc ? Is he fooling us or he want dissolve all this and bring uniform civil code.Why they want certain percentage of muslims in police citing minority ?
    Stupid guy if he really says from his heart ,then he should abolish all the above
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    I think with his sugarcoating and soft power theories he would have done a great job as our outpost in the paralyzed organization called the UN.
    But here, I'm not sure how much good he'll do.
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor

    There has sc/st cast commison for sc/st cast.
    There has obc commison for obc cast.
    Now allahabad hc ask up and central govt. to consider to make upper cast commison.

    The national commison for minorities act 1993 clearly says only muslims,chirstian,buddhist,sikh,jain,parsi communities will be considerd as religious minority in a state where they are less than 50% of local population.
    Thats why hindus even less than 50% in j&k,punjab,meghalaya,mizoram,nagaland don't get religious minority status in those state because of that law.
    And the commison is for religious & linguistic minority not for cast minority you see.
    You can be a minority on the basis of cast level.
    But you are a majority on the basis of religion.
    Thats why hindu cast can't be included in this commision.
    As per law who identify themself with hinduism are hindu.

    But the point is wheather it is sc/st commison,obc commison,minority commison,upcoming uper cast commison,woman commison are not so effective.
    They are more in paper than reality.
    So it does not matter if any commision includes you or not.
    They won't benifit you.
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    Consider upper caste commission: HC to UP, central government

    LUCKNOW: The Lucknow bench of the Allahabad high court has directed the state and the Central governments to consider the demand of formation of a 'savarn ayog' (commission for upper castes) to assess their problems and address them. The order was passed on a public Interest Litigation (PIL) filed by Swaraj Party of India (SPI).
    The petitioner said that like the commissions for women and backward classes, there should also be a commission for upper castes to assess their socio-economic status, identify their problems, raise them at appropriate platforms and work for their redressal. The petition argued that the commission couldalso provide a platform for upper caste grievances.
    According to Ashok Pande, the counsel of the petitioner, the latter had filed similar petitions earlier and the court had directed the government to consider the demand. But since nothing has been done so for, the court has now asked the government to take action and submit a report within two months.
    The court has also allowed the petitioner to approach court again, if the government fails to take any action. The petitioner also cited the example of Bihar where the government has set upa commission for forward castes to look into the problems of upper castes.
    The state already has commissions for minorities, women, other backward classes and scheduled castes and tribes.
    The Bihar government had in January 2001 set up a commission to study the condition of economically and socially backward sections of upper castes as promised by chiefminister Nitish Kumar during the state assembly elections. The commission, with an initial tenureof three years, is conducting a comprehensive study of the problems affecting the backward among the upper castes and suggest recommendations for their uplift.
    Sources in the Samajwadi Party (SP) government in the state said that the government may constitute a commission for upper castes as directed by the court. It will also help the SP to woo upper caste voters. The partyhad already opposed the constitutional amendment bill for providing reservation in promotions in government jobs.
    This has been appreciated by the upper castes which constitute around 25% of the population. The amendment bill was supported by SP's arch rival Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) which wants to consolidate its dalit vote bank. The SP also got votes of dalits in the assembly elections. However, by opposing the bill , theSP has taken a risk of losing support of dalits. In such a situation, it is looking forward to compensate the loss with supportof upper castes. In fact, the SP is planning to hold a brahmin convention soon to make inroads in the community.
    The upper castes in the state at one point of time used to vote for the Congress but shifted their support to the BJP after Ram temple movement. In 2007, Mayawati was able to get some percentage of Brahmin votes through her `sarvjan card' and holding brahmin conventions. However, after losing elections earlier this year, the BSP focus in back on dalits. Now, the SP is trying its luck. The SP, in fact, already has some support base in thakur and vaishya communities among upper castes because of leaders like Raghuraj Pratap Singhalias Raja Bhaiyya, MLA from Kunda, and Naresh Agarwal, RajyaSabha MP.

    Consider upper caste commission: HC to UP, central government - Times Of India
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    Awe-****ing-some. Divide and rule. Congressi scum I hope you rot in hell.

    Why Muslims must be appeased. « SANJAY KAUL'S WEBLOG

    Read the piece by Sanjay Kaul in whole but this would serve as a reasonable entrée - 'The debased electoral grammar of our politics provides that whereas the Muslims must be entertained as a religious group and encouraged to exercise suffrage as such, the Hindus may not be allowed to be consolidated and any attempt to that effect would tantamount to a breach of secularism and risk the stigma of communalism.'
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    I agree with Tharoor.

    There is no majority and no minority.

    We are all INDIANS.

    Is there some difficulty to accept that truth?
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    Ray Sir,
    Why then only Unidirectional approach to give "reservation" to minority ? How to define "minority" and what for?
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    I really can't fathom this cheap politic stunts can't he give basic facts about what his party plans to do for Indian economy,national security,infrastructural development.

    Why this obsession of Hindus vs minorities historically we are the rightful ones to be called "religion of peace" Muslims gets better rights than in Muslim countries SHIA,SUNNI or SUFI all of them can practice their even the dreaded missionaries are prospering.

    so why hurl this volley of bollocks now?
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    Forget it! reservations are going to stay at least for next 20 years, I wonder what Tharoor is upto, I have seen many SC/ST people who face lots of humiliation and insult for their "low caste" without any guilt, and when they are given chances to uplift their community through reservations, they face more insult, curses and humiliation, really poor people! I am so sad to see the innocent human beings getting humiliated for no crime! SC/ST boys, girls appear depressed to me with their looks, caste, personal life and social status :sad:
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    I agree that is a daft idea.

    But then we require votes.

    But Kejriwal has added to Congress' woe.

    His party is known as the Am Admi Party! :pound:
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    Its unfortunate that You are not in the position of power that is currently occupied by Tharoor. You would have called spade a spade. But the jackass Tharoor wishes to just divide and keep ruling. If it was any other 1st world country, Tharoor would be facing music. But alas 'This happens only in India'
     
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    Re: No community can claim majority status in India, Shashi Tharoor sa

    Tharoor is an interesting case.

    He is neither here nor there.

    He wants to be a westerner and yet, at the same time wants to be a sharp Indian political honcho with no scruples.

    Therefore, he is caught in the said experience of neither being a man nor a woman (metaphorically that is , lest Section 66a is applied, which should also be applied to Dugvijay Singh for his comment on Rakhi Sawant)).
     

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