No change in our Arunachal policy: China

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  1. Oracle

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    China has said that its policy that Arunachal Pradesh is a 'disputed area' remains "unchanged", days after it issued stapled visas to two Indian sportsmen from the state which it claims as "Southern Tibet".

    "China's position is consistent and clear about the China-India border issue including the disputed area of Eastern section and the Indian side is aware of it. The position has remained unchanged," the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman's office said in Beijing on Monday.

    The eastern section of the India-China border covers the Arunachal sector, which is part of the dialogue mechanism to resolve it. India-China so far held 14 rounds of talks without much of success.

    The foreign ministry issued the clarification today to a question asked last week over the controversy of issuing stapled visas to two Indian sportsmen from Arunachal to take part in the Weightlifting Grand Prix at Fujian province.

    The Indian immigration officials turned the two away as India do not recognise the stapled visas, while external affairs ministry stated India will not honour such visas.

    The foreign ministry, however, did not clarify whether the issuance of stapled visas or paper visas as they are known meant any departure from its purported previous policy of not to grant any visas to people of Arunachal Pradesh in support of Chinese claim that the state is part of its territory therefore its people did not need visas.

    However Rong Ying, a Senior Research Fellow at the state-run China Institute of International Studies, said while China's stand on the dispute remained unchanged, perhaps the stapled visas were given as a "pragmatic" step to allow people of Arunachal to visit China.

    "Certainly we have to take the reality into consideration as it is a disputed area and also we have to be pragmatic if people wants to travel to China," Rong, an India specialist at the Institute said.

    He personally believes that the stapled visas were issued to enable the people of the area to travel to China while the two countries made efforts to resolve the boundary dispute.

    Both sides have to be pragmatic keeping the reality into consideration, he said, apparently meaning that India too should permit those with stapled visas from Arunachal to travel to China.

    "I think there is no shift in China's policy but it will be good to facilitate their travel," he said, adding that otherwise the people of the area cannot travel to China until the dispute is resolved.

    Indian officials say it was difficult to say whether China pursued a definite visa policy on Arunachal Pradesh as Vishal Nabam, now advisor to Chief Minister Dorjee Khandu, had visited China on a month-long tourist visa in 2006 while an IAS officer from the state was denied visa in 2007.

    On the controversy over issuance of stapled visas to people of Jammu and Kashmir, Rong said it was regarded as the technical issue.

    During his recent India visit, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao promised to address the issue.

    Rong also denied that there was any shift in China's Kashmir policy as a result of the stapled visa issue and Beijing continue to maintain that India and Pakistan should resolve their outstanding disputes, including Kashmir.

    "I agree with the argument that China's relations with India and Pakistan are on a different footing," he said, adding there need not necessarily be any "inter linkages".

    "It is not a change. It has been for many years, perhaps since the end of the cold war," he said.

    China would continue its partnership with India, which will not be at the expense of Beijing's close ties with Islamabad.

    Similarly, China's partnership with Pakistan was not aimed at India, he said, refuting perception that it was a New Delhi centric alliance.

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  3. maomao

    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    Why do these Chinese Communist Party officials/analysts sound so "fork tongued"? Though nothing unusual, however,do they think the world is naive enough to take their blabbering as eternal truth, when in reality they say something else and do something else....Trade mark Communist party trait!!
     
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    Then it is time we change our Tibet, Taiwan and Xingjiang policies soon. Perhaps stapled visas should be made mandatory for Chinese from these regions visiting India too. And in Taiwan's case, we better start stamping visas on their ROC passport. Only such an action will make CCP realize what it is doing. Enough of this stupid "Round talks" by weak government.

    The "not speaking of One China" is just a pat rather than a punch and about time Delhi starts putting a bit more energy behind that pat. We NE people are not items-for-sale and are not going to have an identity crisis just because of an effed-up, spineless government in the Center. :fencing:
     
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    We should also include the islands in the South China sea and side with countries other than China who claim those. It's time we gave some back to those Communists.
     
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    those people shall be allowed to visit China so that those insults and lies abt China will melt like an iceberg under sunlight. people there will know which is a better choice in the referendum (if there's one allowed) to determine which country to join
     
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    Mate, would China do the same w.r.t the islands in the South China Sea, Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang? No I guess.
     
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    Unlike you taking Tibet with brute force under the fancy word "liberation", we don't need to hold a referendum. Your fancy buildings and robotic life is not an interest to us if it has to be given in your style: Communism. Face it: Arunachal and Sikkim WAS Indian, IS Indian and WILL REMAIN Indian and we are PROUD of our nationality. If they are not allowed to visit China, so what? An athletic event gets canceled? BIG DEAL!:horn:

    As if we care for it politically. Ban us all means. You by issuing stapled visas are only insulting our territorial integrity and this has to be responded in the same coin. Your material success is good for you and hence keep it to yourself; don't bloat it to others. Seems all that shiny stuff makes you feel as though you are Supreme. Even if US barred us, we won't care a rat's tail about it and you are talking about yourself.

    The hue and cry is because you insult our territorial integrity. We saw how "cool and relaxed" your CCP was for that Nobel Prize. Don't pretend that you are all set as your government's actions clearly show the opposite.:rotflmao:
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    "referendum "

    You make me laugh....How many referendums have China had since inception (I mean to say wherein people have participated and voted) and tasted freedom? You first get Freedom and Human Rights for your own Chinese people, then talk about conducting "referendums" in India!! :)

    However, people of Arunachal Pradesh despise Communist China to the core, because of the obvious reasons such as China attacked a sovereign Buddhist Nation (Read: Free Tibet) and enslaving its Buddhist People, in the same manner they had enslaved the Hans, Mongols, Uighurs etc.

    Further, almost everyone knows about the bloated Chinese economic figures, Cooking of Books to attract FDI, total dependence on US corporates, Corruption, poverty in rural areas, "the great leap", lack of freedom and Human Rights violations et al. If you are living in a fools world, thinking that people will give up their freedom because of few slaves who are living in "Gold Cages", then you are gravely mistaken, and hence you may continue to subscribe to the propaganda of your Communist Party, in regards to your lala land!

    :tea:
     
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    Referendum? Like maomao said, this is the biggest joke, coming from a Chinese poster. First learn the meaning of elections, referendum, etc. and then lecture others.
     
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    no doubt china has power , guts while india sorry to say but ture evry things is handover to god

    not govt no system no force or govt agincies are working
     
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    who cares what they issue , India has already stated its not valid. they can call all of India disputed... it does not make one difference to the fact. some of you need a chill pill :D
     
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    Actually, people in Arunachal despise Tibet almost as much as they despise PRC. At least in the northern areas, people in and around Itanagar and the south could care less.
     
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    There has been no change in Peoples republic of China's well nuanced policy on what India calls Arunachal Pradesh, the foreign office spokesperson stated,the official replying to a question noted that china will continue to maintain its traditional stance,which is to pretend we have a Arunachal policy and pretend to the world that we have Arunachal policy,until we discover in our in our moth eaten archives what was our Arunachal policy and then convince ourselves we finally have a Arunachal policy and convince India and the rest of the world that this is our Arunachal policy.

    The spokes person ended the briefing by declaring China's Arunachal policy was clear as mud.
     
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    Sheeple's republic of China can bugger off.

    The talk of referendum coming from a Chicom is like a mama-san preaching on the virtues of abstinence and virginity.
     
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    They will have to change otherwise India may respond in the same way by issuing stapled or different visa to tibet & taiwan. Let them test their actions pain. One stapled visa to tibet would burn china and then they will have to down their all crap about arunanchal and kashmir.
     
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    Its high time India need to counter Arunachal policy in some way. Tibet and Taiwan are the only way.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    There are indication of changes to Indian policy on Tibet,.

    And actually, it really does not matter to India about what China feels or does.
     
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    India recognised the People's Republic of China on April 1, 1950 and was supportive of its stand that it was the only state that could be recognised as "China" and that the island of Taiwan was a part of Chinese territory. India was one of the supporters of the People's Republic of China's bid to join the United Nations and replace the Republic of China to fill the seat for China in the U.N. Security Council.

    India also recognizes Tibet as PRC.But China's problem is, Dalai Lama is in India.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I have written an exhaustive post on India stand on Tibet.

    China has suzerainty.
     

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