Nine year old Pakistani girls - ready for marriage or not?

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Cultures clash over forced child marriages in Pakistan
SWAT VALLEY, Pakistan — Tabassum Adnan married at 14.

Such was the norm in the small village in Swat Valley, a conservative region in Pakistan near the Afghan border. What's unusual is that she escaped.

"I was forced into marrying a man who was 20 years older than me," Adnan said. "For 20 years, I stayed with him and endured his abuse and mental and physical torture — he made me suffer."

Pakistani lawmakers are set to adopt a bill to ensure other girls aren't forced into marriage by increasing the punishment for the practice, already illegal under a 1929 law widely disregarded in the country. The measure has led to a fierce debate, intensifying an ongoing cultural clash in the country over secular and Muslim values.

Advocates for harsher laws against child marriage argue that it's an oppressive practice that traumatizes young girls, while traditionalists say it goes against the Koran to pass such a law. According to the Muslim holy book, the Prophet Muhammad married minors.

More than 140 million girls younger than 18 will be married to men as old as 60 in the next decade, the United Nations Human Rights Council estimated recently. About 50% of the marriages will occur in South Asia, the council found.

In Pakistan, poor families commonly marry off girls as young as 10, shifting the cost of supporting them to their new husbands.

Secular-minded lawmakers want to amend Pakistani law to impose two-year jail sentences and $1,000 fines for child marriage. Current penalties for breaking the law are only a month in jail and a $10 fine. The laws, which are rarely enforced, apply to parents and clerics who perform marriages.

Officials in Sindh province — where Karachi, Pakistan's largest city, is located — have strengthened local laws against the tradition. Police there have raided wedding parties to enforce it, shocking Pakistani conservatives.

Traditionalists are now mounting an effort to prevent the bill. The Council of Islamic Ideology, an official panel that advises the government on Islamic law, recently ruled that the 1929 law, as well as the proposed amendments, was "un-Islamic."

"Girls as young as 9 years old are eligible to be married if the signs of puberty are visible," said Council Chairman Maulana Muhammad Khan Shirani. "Parliament should not create laws which are against the teachings of the Koran."

Anti-child marriage advocates lamented how Shirani is allowed a say in the measure. Rubina Saigol, a Lahore-based activist, said the council is a legacy of Pakistan's authoritarian past.

"The Council for Islamic Ideology should be disbanded and removed through a constitutional amendment," she said. "It was created by a dictator, Ayub Khan, to further his own interests as a ruler. It was not created by a democratic assembly."

Pakistan is a signatory to international accords that prohibit child marriage, Saigol added. The country needed to stop adopting laws to save face abroad while flouting the norms of decency at home.

"It is rape and a very serious form of child abuse prohibited by law, as well as international human rights instruments," he said. "A girl should be allowed to marry only if she is 18 or above and with her full consent, not through violence or coercion."

But strengthening laws will make a difference only if officials enforce the new penalties, said Zohra Yousuf, chairwoman of the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan. Activists need not only to overcome traditional Muslim supporters of child marriage but also work to make sure the government has the capacity to challenge them, too.

"The exploitation of these marginalized groups will increase if there is no legal cover," Yousuf said.

Adnan agrees, and that's why she created an all-female Jirga — a tribal council that often settles disputes and creates laws in rural Pakistan — that works for justice for women in her community.

Adnan said she was reluctant to leave her marriage out of fear of shaming her family, indicating how social pressure is a key factor in perpetuating child marriage. But in the end, she said she knew she had to get out.

"I decided that my family's honor is not larger than my life," she said. "I walked out of that marriage and decided to work for women like me who are going through the same situation."
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These M-Fukers Fake Molanas , are no way near to Islam, these narrow minded people are really shameful for us, i bet this fake molana will never marry his own 9 year old daughter to any one , these type of fake molvies can be often found insisting parents to admit there children's in madrasa for islami education while there own children studying in foreign universities
 
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These M-Fukers Fake Molanas , are no way near to Islam, these narrow minded people are really shameful for us, i bet this fake molana will never marry his own 9 year old daughter to any one , these type of fake molvies can be often found insisting parents to admit there children's in madrasa for islami education while there own children studying in foreign universities
Well Pakistanis online seem to be against this, but Pakistan fails where the rubber hits the road. Both the army and politicians such as the Sharif brothers and Imran Khan are unable to stand up to people who say the word "sharia" or the word "blasphemy". The anti-India Jamaat ud Dawa and the anti-Shia Lashkar e Jhangvi have popular support among Pakistani sunnis. The JuD has army support and the Sharif brothers look the other way at the activities of the LeJ. I don't even see those powerful organizations speaking up against such maulanas. The armed strength of the Pakistan army and the LeT - the armed wing of the JuD should easily be able to control such maulanas - but they don't. The civil war in Pakistan will only get worse if the army or "government" try to fiddle with anyone who calls for implementation of what is claimed to be in the Quran. Lawyers who represent shias, or blasphemy accused are intimidated or killed. The army says "Not my problem" and the government says nothing. For the army and government "patriotism" only means opposing India and lining their pockets. The country can go to dogs with illiteracy and radicalism.And the country is going to dogs.

One news report today says how the government had bluffed on GDP growth figures. But GDP growth is based on US dollars paid mainly to the Pakistan army - the same army that can do nothing about such maulanas.

Right now Pakistan is a laugh a minute for anyone who wishes to see Pakistan go down the drain. News about Islamic radicalism is particularly funny because Pakistanis have worn Islam on their shoulders and acted as if they own Islam and represent Islam. Now that is coming and biting Pakistan in the backside. Nothing could be better news. Pakistan needs pure Islam.
 

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Child Marriage Should Be Legal: Pakistani Legal Advisory Body

The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII), a constitutional recommendatory body that provides legal advice to the Pakistani government and parliament, ruled on Tuesday that laws which ban underage children from getting married are "un-Islamic." The CII also determined that according to Islam there is no minimum age for marriage – although it deems that Rukshati (the consummation of marriage) should only occur when both husband and wife have reached puberty. Pakistani laws presently mandate that the minimum age for marriage is 18 years for a male and 16 for a female. CII, as an advisory body, cannot enact laws on its own.

Dawn, an English-language Pakistani daily, reported that the CII chairman, Maulana Mohammad Khan Sheerani, also blasted laws forbidding polygamy. "Sharia [Islamic law] allows men to have more than one wife, and we demanded that the government should amend the law," he told reporters. "The government should amend the law to make the issue of more than one marriage easy and in accordance with Sharia," CII added. Under current Pakistani laws, a man must obtain written approval from his wife (or wives) in order to acquire another wife. Sheerani, who is himself a member of the National Assembly for the Jamiat Ulama-e-Islam (F) (JUI-F), a conservative religious party, has asked the government to formulate laws on marriage and divorce that are compliant with Sharia.

Child Marriage Should Be Legal: Pakistani Legal Advisory Body
Pakistan: Council of Islamic Ideology says laws prohibiting child marriage are un-Islamic

"Laws prohibiting underage marriage not Islamic: Council of Islamic Ideology," from The Nation (Pakistan), March 11:

ISLAMABAD- The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) ruled today that Pakistani laws prohibiting marriage of underage children are un-Islamic. At the end of its two-day session today, the CII said there is no minimum age of marriage according to Islam.

"Islam does not forbid marriage of young children," the council said. "However, the consummation of marriage is only allowed when both husband and wife have reached puberty."

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Actually Pakistan is in a bind.

It wants to be modern, but it is also bound to obey Islamic laws, more so, since a large majority of the population are victims of a Middle Age mindset because of rampant illiteracy.
 

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Actually Pakistan is in a bind.

It wants to be modern, but it is also bound to obey Islamic laws, more so, since a large majority of the population are victims of a Middle Age mindset because of rampant illiteracy.
A bunch of mullahs hardly represent the majority of Pakistan or reflect Pakistani mindset, if it did there would be child marriages all over the country including modern cities like Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad and girls over 18 would be considered too old to marry which is not the case. We are a modern society with higher freedom for women compared to 90% of the muslim world.

Pakistan is at crossroads where the clash between the enlighted and modern society vs the medieval shariah loving mullahs and.their brainwashed jahil followers is imminent.

Sindh, Pakistan's second most populated provinve has already set the minimum age at 16 despite what the mullahs might say. Sixteen is still two years off the international norm of 18 but must be seen as a victory of the modest and enlightened Pakistani.

We must work harder to fight the mullahs as we still have an independent court to challenge the shariah.
 

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