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The Election of the Pope is on.

The Italian candidate wants to be the next Pope.

So, Italy cannot upset the conclave by creating a riot like situation by sending these oafs back! :rofl:

As it is, Berlosconi is stealing much of the thunder.
 

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The Election of the Pope is on.

The Italian candidate wants to be the next Pope.

So, Italy cannot upset the conclave by creating a riot like situation by sending these oafs back! :rofl:

As it is, Berlosconi is stealing much of the thunder.
i thought a brazilian became pope.
 

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Italy's action unacceptable, Manmohan Singh says

NEW DELHI/THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said Italy's refusal to send back two naval guards facing trial in India is "unacceptable". The Prime Minister has said that he will look into the matter.

Manmohan Singh told the Left MPs that he will ask external affairs minister Salman Khurshid to take up the issue with Italy.

Italian naval guards Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone, accused of killing two Indian fishermen, were being tried in India.

The naval guards were permitted by the Supreme Court to go to Italy for four weeks for voting in last month's election. Earlier they were allowed to go home for Christmas holidays after which they returned to India on expiry of their leave.

On January 18, the apex court had turned down the Italian government's plea that the Indian courts had no jurisdiction in the case and had held that the two marines should be tried by the Centre by constituting a special court to conduct their trial.

Meanwhile, Kerala chief minister Oommen Chandy will convey the state government's "serious" concern over Italy's decision on the two naval guards charged with shooting dead two fishermen off Kerala coast in February last.

According to the Chief Minister's office, Chandy would write to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh expressing the state's disappointment over the new twist in the case.

Chandy, who is scheduled to leave for Delhi on Tuesday, would also try to meet Singh and other central leaders to convey the state's resentment, sources said.

Opposition parties including CPM and BJP blamed the Centre and the state government for the development, saying it amounted to denial of justice to the victims' families.

CPM Politburo member and former Kerala home minister Kodiyeri Balakrishnan alleged that some foul play from behind the curtains by the state and central governments sabotaged the case.

BJP leader PS Sreedharan Pillai said the Centre should take a strong stand on the issue to protect the country's sovereignity.

Dora, wife of Jelastine, one of the two fishermen killed when the marines opened fire from the ship Enrica Lexie, said there was a "conspiracy" to save the accused which should be exposed.

The Italian government had on Monday night said the naval guards, Massimiliano Lattore and Salvatore Girone, will not return to India.

The Italian foreign ministry accused Indian authorities of violating international rights by detaining the naval guards and said it was "open" to let an international arbitrator to assess the case, according to an official statement.

Italy's action unacceptable, Manmohan Singh says - The Times of India



The issue is under too much complexities of legal obligations & procedural net.
 

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i thought a brazilian became pope.
I don't think so if this news is anything to go by.

Papal conclave to elect new pope set to begin
March 12, 2013 -- Updated 0502 GMT (1302 HKT)
CNN "Ž- 3 hours ago

The cardinals will probably vote Tuesday, but they don't have to, Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said Monday.
If they do, it's likely the first smoke might be seen around 8 p.m. (3 p.m. ET), he said.

Papal conclave to elect new pope set to begin - CNN.com
 
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Italy lied to us: Will we hit back or stay a banana republic?

The temerity with which the Italian government has cocked a snook at India and its laws is matched only by the utter pusillanimity with which the government of India has so far been handling the issue of the Italian marines.

After leaving our shores last month with the explicit permission of the courts on the plea that they were going home to vote, the Italian government has now brazenly informed us that they won't be returning to India. The Italian foreign ministry has basically told us to go jump. A Reuters report quoted an Italian foreign ministry source as saying: "Italy has informed that given the formal initiation of an international dispute between the two states, the marines Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone will not return to India."

And what is the Indian external affairs ministry's response? "We have received a communication from Italy late tonight (Monday). We will examine it carefully."


Italian marines with the Italian defence minister in 2012. Reuters.

What is there to "examine carefully"?

Clearly, the Italian government has lied to the Indian courts about its intentions. The Italian embassy had given a false undertaking guaranteeing the return of the marines. When the Supreme Court, headed by none other than Chief Justice Altamas Kabir and two other judges, allowed the Italian marines to leave India, it had specifically indicated that they would travel under the control and custody of the ambassador of Italy in India.

It is now clear that the marines, who killed two Indian fishermen off the Kerala coast in February 2012 by firing indiscriminately from the Italian ship Enrica Lexie, were merely testing India's will when they earlier went home for Christmas. Having established that they could come and go easily, they were certain that they could get away with it. This is why they are not coming. They know we are pushovers.

It speaks much for the complete lack of self-respect that the government thinks it has to formulate a nuanced position on this complete breach of trust by the Italians. What is there to think about: this is an open-and-shut case of contempt of our courts, our people and our country by the Italians.

We can speculate till kingdom come about whether this deliberate mishandling of the Italian marines issue and their trial in Indian courts is due to, or inspite of, the fact that an Italian-born woman is the country's most powerful politician. We can even spin conspiracy theories, since we are involved in another tangle with the Italians over the Agusta WestLand chopper payoffs, but the fact that Sonia heads the ruling party is not an irrelevant issue in this case.

It may be entirely true that Sonia Gandhi has nothing to do with the case, but has she made this clear to the government and given it a free hand? Given that the Congress has a high-command culture – a fact attested to by her own son Rahul – it is far from certain that the government really thinks it is free to act in this issue of national honour without looking over its shoulder at the party boss.

As an elected member of Parliament who holds cabinet rank as Chairperson of the National Advisory Council, Sonia Gandhi is expected to uphold the Indian constitution. She has to speak up and tell India that she stands four square behind our laws and our courts and will not rest till the Italian marines are brought to justice in India.

In fact, she should go even further: she should use her Italian connections to ensure that the marines return. If she does this, she will have proven where she stands.

However, we have not heard one word from Sonia for over a year on this issue. Or, for that matter, on the earlier one where the UPA government unfroze the accounts of Ottavio Quattrochi, a friend of the first family, in the Bofors case.

But, of course, the matter goes beyond Sonia Gandhi. Unlike her, the executive has even less reason to pretend that it cannot act. It is duty-bound to.

There is only one response India needs to give if it is to prove that it is not a banana republic: a tough one.

A tough line would call for some or all of the following:

First, the permission given by the Supreme Court, which also was conned by the Italians, to let the marines go to Italy to vote must be instantly revoked and the two declared as absconders. Interpol must be alerted to apprehend them for crimes committed against Indian citizens.

Second, India must not only send a strong diplomatic demarche to the Italians, but also make it clear that Italy will pay a stiff price for this act of deliberate perfidy. It must make it clear to the Italian government that henceforth no Italian company will ever be given a contract by the government. All existing deals will be reviewed.

Third, India must call back its ambassador to Italy and downgrade its representation and/or use its leverage with other western powers to make Italy see reason. The Italian ambasador to India, who clearly must have known about the Italian government's plot, must be asked to leave the country for breaching its trust.

The underlying issue is this: this is a clear case of unstated racism, where a western nation is telling us that it will not allow its citizens to be judged by a nation of colour, even though its marines came close to our waters and shot two of our unarmed fisherman in the belief that they were pirates. Let's remember: the Italians don't think the marines must not be tried; its just that they can't be tried in India. That is as racist as it can get, even if the matter is couched in legalities about jurisdiction.

It could have been an honest mistake, but that is for the courts to decide. But by absconding, the presumption now must be about guilt and mala fide intentions.

India cannot shilly-shally on this issue. It has to show some spine and steel.

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In my view, by transerring the aforementioned case to the apexcourt citing the reasons that Keral Highcourt dont have the right jursidicational powers to prosecute the accused as the incident happened beyond International martime coastal territory of the concerned state and moving the marines to NewDelhi ,itself was a diplomatic strategy by Italians and a Blind evasive arrangement by central Govt ,apparently raises suspicions.

Again with persisting diplomatic and political influenze, they made sure their Guys are safely back in their soil without any monetory or material liabilities attached to it.
It would be difficult to reverse their actions as the ball is in their court now. Italian saga ..continues
 

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The whole episode of transferring the case to the Supreme Court and obtaining a release, sadly looks stage managed. Collusion at the highest level cannot be ruled out unless proven otherwise. There will be some noises now after which another timely engineered 'news bite' will take over ..and this forgotten. hope somebody in the government shows some guts.
 

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Thinking a little further, it seems there is a quid pro quo here. India let Italian marines escape and Italy will bury Agusta Westland VVIP chopper case where the bribe accepters in India (politicians) will not be caught.
 

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Thinking a little further, it seems there is a quid pro quo here. India let Italian marines escape and Italy will bury Agusta Westland VVIP chopper case where the bribe accepters in India (politicians) will not be caught.
Seems some people made lot of money out of this. When court has given permission to leave India, what was the guarantee taken by the court for their return? This is well planned goof-up. Don't be have extradition treaty with Italy or EU?

We can not let it go! Our two citizens were killed as target practice. Is there anybody accountable for this mess of the case?
 
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Italy asks its troops to be ready for strong unhappiness by India


Rome, Italy. Anticipating a strong wave of "unhappiness", "discomfort" and "objections" from India after they refused to send the marines back, Italy has asked its citizens and armed forces to be ready to deal with any such eventuality.

"We have ordered millions of earplugs, oil, cleaning buds, dark glasses, chewing gum, and similar artillery to deal with the massive verbal onslaught that we expect India to unleash upon us," Giampaolo di Paola, the Defense Minister of Italy revealed.
:rofl: :rofl:


An Italian kid rehearsing the official steps suggested by the government to deal with the Indian attack

Reports say that before taking the decision of not sending back the marines, accused of killing Indian fishermen, the government of Italy had called a top level meeting where they concluded that Italy must be ready to face the consequences.

"Half of our worries were taken care of as we don't play cricket," an official in the Foreign Ministry of Italy told Faking News, "The only big threat remaining was India expressing strong disapproval."

Sources reveal that top management of Ferrari was also called in by the Italian government to know how they dealt with the "strong objections" by the government of India when the car manufacturing company had decided to show support for the accused Italian marines during the Indian Grand Prix four months back.

"Ferrari officials first laughed, and then told us to 'chill', but when we insisted, they told us to make sure that we just nod our heads when India registers a strong protest, but not to laugh audibly as this could cause a prolonged session of protest," an Italian source claimed.

Latest reports confirm that the government of Italy was already practicing the "counter offensive".

"India and Italy are matured nations. We respect India as the largest democracy of the world and an emerging superpower. We hope this matter will be resolved amicably," Giulio Terzi Sant'Agata, the Foreign Minister of Italy said without giggling or smiling even for a second.

Back home, the government of India was trying to find the 'register' button online to register a strong protest.
 

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Italy asks its troops to be ready for strong unhappiness by India


Rome, Italy. Anticipating a strong wave of "unhappiness", "discomfort" and "objections" from India after they refused to send the marines back, Italy has asked its citizens and armed forces to be ready to deal with any such eventuality.

"We have ordered millions of earplugs, oil, cleaning buds, dark glasses, chewing gum, and similar artillery to deal with the massive verbal onslaught that we expect India to unleash upon us," Giampaolo di Paola, the Defense Minister of Italy revealed.
:rofl: :rofl:


An Italian kid rehearsing the official steps suggested by the government to deal with the Indian attack

Reports say that before taking the decision of not sending back the marines, accused of killing Indian fishermen, the government of Italy had called a top level meeting where they concluded that Italy must be ready to face the consequences.

"Half of our worries were taken care of as we don't play cricket," an official in the Foreign Ministry of Italy told Faking News, "The only big threat remaining was India expressing strong disapproval."

Sources reveal that top management of Ferrari was also called in by the Italian government to know how they dealt with the "strong objections" by the government of India when the car manufacturing company had decided to show support for the accused Italian marines during the Indian Grand Prix four months back.

"Ferrari officials first laughed, and then told us to 'chill', but when we insisted, they told us to make sure that we just nod our heads when India registers a strong protest, but not to laugh audibly as this could cause a prolonged session of protest," an Italian source claimed.

Latest reports confirm that the government of Italy was already practicing the "counter offensive".

"India and Italy are matured nations. We respect India as the largest democracy of the world and an emerging superpower. We hope this matter will be resolved amicably," Giulio Terzi Sant'Agata, the Foreign Minister of Italy said without giggling or smiling even for a second.

Back home, the government of India was trying to find the 'register' button online to register a strong protest.
Hats off to the writer
 

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India begins going through protest motions!!
India summons Italian ambassador after naval guards fail to return - The Times of India

India summons Italian ambassador after naval guards fail to return

NEW DELHI: The Italian ambassador to India is being summoned by the external affairs ministry in connection with case involving two naval guards from Italy.

Earlier on Tuesday, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh termed as "unacceptable" Italy's refusal to send its two naval guards back to India where they were facing trial for killing two fishermen and said the issue will be taken up with that country.

Singh conveyed this to delegations of Kerala MPs from Left and Congress, who met him separately to express anguish and demand his intervention in the "serious" matter.

The Prime Minister said it was "unacceptable", according to CPM MPs K N Balagopal and M B Rajesh.

Singh told the Left MPs that he will ask external affairs minister Salman Khurshid to take up the issue with Italy.
 

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here comes the Italian shit storm to our Italian goddess and congress.will have to wait and watch what happens next

sure congress did a self goal this time in Kerala
 

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Keeping politics aside, what can India realistically do, going forward?
1. Issue strong diplomatic protest (Maybe just some nuisance value and nothing more)
2. Get Supreme Court to declare the Marines absconders and approach Interpol for their arrest and handover. (Worthless paper ping pong)
3. Go to the extend of breaking off diplomatic ties with Italy (Strong message but unlikely)
4. Slap an economic ban on Italy breaking off all commercial ties. (Strong message but unlikely)

Net result.... a lot of noise until media is dangled another juicier carrot to pursue (which we can see within a week to happen)
 

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Yes, Congress has shot itself in the foot.... not only in Kerala.... see how Modi pounces on this to directly attack Sonia.
 

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I don't get.

If GOI planned to let go marines, then why PM is so vocal in protest against Italy? He speaks on very rare occasions.

Plus the matter is in jurisdictional dispute, which has been recognized by Supreme Court itself. Very little case for GOI even if they intend to pursue.
 

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shameless coward...italians... GREAT .... keep it up... dont come near indian shores... indian women are waiting with slippers and bromstick ....
 

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India begins going through protest motions!!
India summons Italian ambassador after naval guards fail to return - The Times of India

India summons Italian ambassador after naval guards fail to return

NEW DELHI: The Italian ambassador to India is being summoned by the external affairs ministry in connection with case involving two naval guards from Italy.

Earlier on Tuesday, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh termed as "unacceptable" Italy's refusal to send its two naval guards back to India where they were facing trial for killing two fishermen and said the issue will be taken up with that country.

Singh conveyed this to delegations of Kerala MPs from Left and Congress, who met him separately to express anguish and demand his intervention in the "serious" matter.

The Prime Minister said it was "unacceptable", according to CPM MPs K N Balagopal and M B Rajesh.

Singh told the Left MPs that he will ask external affairs minister Salman Khurshid to take up the issue with Italy.
dramabazi......
 

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I don't get.

If GOI planned to let go marines, then why PM is so vocal in protest against Italy? He speaks on very rare occasions.

Plus the matter is in jurisdictional dispute, which has been recognized by Supreme Court itself. Very little case for GOI even if they intend to pursue.
This rather means everything is scripted.
 

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This rather means everything is scripted.
It makes no sense. You either setup an escape or you don't. There is no chance for self-contradiction in any case.
 

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