Naxalite/Maoist insurgency in the Red Corridor & the CCP/PRC

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    Naxalite–Maoist insurgency Red Corridor

    I've been reading the Wiki article on the Naxalite-Maoist insurgency (see link about) in the so-called "Red Corridor" (see link above) in some of India's eastern states, and was much surprised to read that the insurgency dates back to 18 May 1967, at which time the Cultural Revolution in PR China was in full swing.

    At that stage of the Cultural Revolution Mao Tse-tung was on the fast-track to becoming a proclaimed god! And I was wondering if the Chinese Communist Party had had a hand in supporting the various Maoist terrorists over the years and decades. PR China may have given up on Mao's economics, but not on his ambitions. A long-running Maoist-terrorist insurgency, even a small one, would naturally affect the internal security and stability of India, so it could only be to PR China's advantage. This raises the question: Has any link been discovered by the Indian security forces or intelligence agencies that connects the Maoist political parties and their guerrilla armies involved in the insurgency to the Chinese Communist Party or any department, section, or organ of it?
     
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    Even if chinese influence existed in the early stages, it becomes irrelevant since China itself is not a true communist state anymore. Now a days naxals are more interested in maintaining their fiefdom.

    China itself is more capitalistic than America now a days.
     
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    Im glad someone brought this up.
     
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    NEW DELHI: The government for the first time on Sunday said that the Maoists are getting arms from China, which is a "big supplier" of small weapons. ( Watch Video)
    "Chinese are big smugglers... suppliers of small arms. I am sure that the Maoists also get them," home secretary G K Pillai said when asked if the Naxals were having links with China.
    The home secretary said the government has no information that the Maoists have any links with China except getting arms. "I do not think so, except getting arms," he told reporters on the sidelines of a function here.
    Pillai, however, did not elaborate whether the Maoists were getting arms from Chinese arms smugglers or official agencies.
    Home minister P Chidambaram had said in an interview last month that the Maoists are acquiring weapons through Bangladesh, Myanmar and possibly Nepal.
    "We know now that the weapons are coming through Bangladesh and Myanmar and possibly Nepal. The border is very porous. The Indo-Nepal border is a very porous border." he had said.m.timesofindia.com/india/Maoists-getting-arms-from-China-India/articleshow/5208958.cms
     
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    A secret Intelligence Bureau (IB) report suggests that the Maoists' expansion plan has been as meticulous and carefully organised. While they have been strengthening their cadres by enlisting educated rebels to lead the cause, they are also inducting technically proficient men and women, capable of setting up weapons factories and advanced offensive hardware.
    Apart from the regular weapons Maoists are normally associated with, they now have facilities to manufacture parts for even complex systems like grenade and rocket launchers. The IB report also establishes that the Maoists are aided in their efforts to build modern weapons by the Chinese intelligence.
    Shockingly, revelations of the supremely concealed Maoist war factories were spelt out in great detail by captured Maoist mastermind Sadnala Ramakrishna, who was apprehended recently in Andhra Pradesh. The rebel leader has provided agencies a disturbing picture of the weapon manufacturing and maintenance industry the Maoists have built up in the forests.
    The Maoists have seven such arms factories, which they call Technical Research Arms Manufacturing Unit (TRAM). These units are manned by 15 scientists who oversee production and supply of weapons and systems to the Maoist cadres. From rocket launchers to grenade launchers and from assault rifles to mortars, the Maoists have ramped up their self-reliance making it less necessary to seek weapons from outside.
    So meticulous and entrenched is their business that the Naxals even have bank accounts, fronted by aliases and used with impunity to pay hardware companies in Mumbai and Kolkata for essential nuts and bolts that cannot be made in the jungles.
    A deadly mix of engineering talent, a frugal outlook to resources and the desperate need for firearms have resulted in an industry taking birth in the forests of central India. The secret report accessed by Headlines Today also indicates the spreading of the movement to the North East region, where assistance from China has only helped in the terror linkages.
    'Chinese intelligence funding Maoists'
    The IB report accessed byHeadlines Todayestablishes that Chinese intelligence units have been training, arming and funding the Maoists to help them wage a violent and seemingly inexorable war against India.
    The report reveals that China has been organising the Maoists and militant groups from Jammu and Kashmir and the North East region into a single war-fighting machine to hit Indian states. This secret report was recently sent to Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram and the senior members of the security establishment.
    The report also makes specific warnings pointing to how Chinese intelligence agency has been pushing Manipur-based militant outfit -- People Liberation Army (PLA) -- which it funds into a cooperative arrangement with Maoists and Kashmiri terror groups.
    Disturbingly, the report is replete with specific observations and specific pieces of intelligence on China's dirty game. It reveals how Maoists have been training in Nagaland, funded by the Chinese. It shows how certain Maoist units are now being given encrypted wireless communication devices.
    The warning cannot be clearer or more specific. With India rocked on three fronts by militancy, the potential coming together of the Naxals could be India's biggest challenge so far.indiatoday.intoday.in/story/chinese-intelligence-training-and-funding-maoists-in-india/1/186191.html
     
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    There isnt one block of maoist rebels, their backers vary. Some of them are backed by the Chinese, through weapon supplies and so on, to even sheltering them. ULFA chief for example was last traced back to mainland China.
    On the other side there are many western backed maoists too, through ngos and through churches in the region (Govt plans to ban visit of 'Naxal supporter' author - Hindustan Times) Then there are full blown out church based movements like the NSCN.

    It really depends on which group you are looking at.
     
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    It is interesting that Maoist ideology has such a hold on the Communist movement in Eastern India when it was abandoned in PR China decades ago. The various Maoist parties and their guerrilla armies are 50 or 60 years behind the times. The days of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are long, long gone.
     
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    Always happy to oblige, V.
     
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    Here is the paragraph:

    Some details:
    • The Maoist movement in India has its genesis in the police firing where villagers in Naxalbari were shot dead by the police, which in turn originated from the Telangana and Tebhaga movements, much before the Cultural Revolution in PRC. Naxalbari happened in 1967, and it might be somewhat related to the Cultural Revolution in PRC, but has its genesis in the Telangana and Tebhaga movements, which happened much before the Cultural Revolution in PRC.
    • The police firing happened because, to make it simplified, the government at that time did not agree with the demands of the peasants, who in turn protested.
    • The political party CPI (Marxist-Leninist) did not come into existence until two years later.
    • The leader of the initial Naxalbari uprising, Kanu Sanyal, wanted arms from PRC, but PRC refused. In other words, the Naxalites never got any weapon from PRC during the late 60s.
    • The CPI (Marxist) was opposed to CPI (Marxist-Leninist).
    • Jyoti Basu, who later became the Chief Minister from the CPI (Marxist) party, at the time of the Naxalite uprising, was the Deputy Chief Minister (arguably Home Minister), and he started India's first anti-Naxalite police operation, called Operation Crossbow. (Warning: Many sources will tell you he was part of the Maoist movement.)
    • The rise of Naxalism and Maoist is attributed to various reasons, one being the failure of the government to implement the 5th and 9th Schedules of the Constitution of India. A very unfortunate fact is that successive governments, and their sycophants, have repeatedly played the "patriot card," while at the same time dragging their feet on their responsibilities on sensitive issues enshrined in the Constitution of India. This, IMHO, is a malignant problem with many Indians - many of who think they are nationalists, without understanding what nationalism is all about. As Mark Twain famously remarked, on patriotism: "the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about."

    Bottom line is, the Maoist problem is a result of the failure or corruption or incompetence of the successive Indian governments, and PRC only took advantage by supporting an existing problem which has its roots well within India. Anyone who says PRC is the progenitor of the Maoist problem has no clue of what he is talking about.
     
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    Most informative, pmaitra. Thank you. The links to sources are excellent. Will keep for future reference.
     
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    PRC is not the progenitor of Maoists. They just fund and arm them. Even Pakistan does the same with Indian groups like SIMI. Why then, is the Chinese role not highlighted enough?
     
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    This is a BBC article that goes back to Aug. 2010, but it covers the trade in "Chinese" arms in South Asia, including customers like the Maoist rebels in Eastern India. The Chinese are involved everywhere.

    Where do 'Chinese' guns arming rebels really come from?
    By Subir Bhaumik BBC News, Calcutta
     
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    Is Naxals/Maoists is internal problem or something else?


    India has joined Burma in pressuring China to do something about the continued shipments of Chinese weapons to tribal rebels in northern Burma and northeast India. China denies this is happening and points out that many Burmese rebels have long used Chinese weapons they bought from illegal dealers in China and then smuggled into Burma. China also points out that Burmese troops also use Chinese weapons. Burma and India counter that the rebels in both countries are using weapons China did not sell to the Burmese Army. Moreover these Chinese weapons (often older and cheaper designs) are showing up worldwide in the hands of rebels, terrorists and gangsters. The point here is that China is looking the other way as a huge illegal arms sales and smuggling operation goes about its business. China is in the midst of a major corruption crackdown so these complaints from Burma and India might be addressed this time around. Then again, maybe not.

    Indian intelligence analysts have examined a large number of documents seized from Maoists and obtained a good idea of Maoist strategy past and future. It was confirmed that Maoist expansion efforts in the last few years have been thwarted. A lot of what the analysts have found matches more tangible date. Since its peak in 2010 leftist (mostly Maoist) terrorism related deaths have gone from 1,180 down to 314 in 2014. The decline was most precipitous (49 percent) in 2011, but continued over the next three years. That meant a 39 percent decline in deaths in 2012, an unexpected 15 percent increase in 2013 followed by a 25 percent decline in 2014. The decline is expected to continue and more Maoists are deserting, surrendering or, if they are leaders, warming to the calls for peace talks.

    Is china playing proxy wars against India ?
     
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    Re: Is Naxals/Maoists is internal problem or something else?

    Perfect article....yes I agree with .
    But I dont clarity on this topic whether china is playing proxy war on us...
    But can anyone tell me what china will achieve if India becomes a communist nation.
     
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    Re: Is Naxals/Maoists is internal problem or something else?

    Their goal is not to convert India as communist nation but using naxalites/Maoists proxy to destabilize security and create uneasy environment for business and industry to prosper so indian become poor and economy gap between both country widen. If you look at it from past point they succeeded to some extent. (It did play it's part however it's not solely because of it)
     
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    @Ray sir can you show some light in this regards as you were posted in North eastern state.
     
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    Re: Is Naxals/Maoists is internal problem or something else?

    Unfortunately, naxalite problem is something that India created with its caste system and systematic oppression of the lower-caste people. The poor in rural areas were dehumanized, women violated by upper caste people. Police also tortured and bullied the lower-caste people. That's why naxalite movement became popular and it's not surprising that policemen are often targeted. It all fits.
     
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    :rofl: naxalism is inspired by communist ideology not by religion. Go and read something before you make such comments.

     
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    Well if india becomes communist nation ruled by naxals

    then china would get tawang ,akasi chine and direct access to gulf waters without depending upon pakistan and another headace to america
     

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