Navy orders 8 tejas fighter jets

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by sasi, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. sasi

    sasi Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2012
    Messages:
    3,401
    Likes Received:
    1,679
    Location:
    India
    Broadsword: Navy, eager for Tejas, placing orders for 8 naval fighters
    Earlier this year, then naval chief, Admiral Nirmal Verma, lamented the delay in building the naval version ofthe Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). Last week, thecurrent naval chief, Admiral DK Joshi, declared that the navy wanted the Tejas moreurgently than any fighter aircraft from abroad.
    Following words with action the navy will shortly issue a request for proposals (RfP) to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for building eight naval Tejas fighters, amix of twin-seat trainers and single-seat fighters, worth some Rs 1,000 crore. Both the MoD and the CabinetCommittee on Security have cleared the purchase. HAL will respond with a quotation,a price will be negotiated, and the building of the aircraft would commence next year.
    So far --- to the navy’s disappointment --- only one naval LCA has been built by the Aeronautical Development Agency, or ADA,which oversees the Rs 3,650crore naval LCA programme and the Rs 10,397 crore programme to develop a fighter for the Indian Air Force (IAF). A second naval Tejas is currently under construction. ADA has briefedBusiness Standard that a total of five naval Tejas prototypes will be built in thecoming days, which ADA will use in the demanding flight test programme for certifyingthe fighter for operations offthe flight deck of an aircraft carrier.
    The 8 fighters now being ordered by the navy --- which HAL will build in what iscalled limited series production, or LSP --- will be used to train naval pilots who will eventually fly the Tejas from the aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant, which Cochin Shipyard would build by 2015, and from a second indigenous aircraft carrier that will follow the Vikrant.
    Until these vessels are ready for flight deck operations, naval pilots will train at a new Shore-Based Test Facility (SBTF) in Goa, which replicates the dimensions of an aircraft carrier deck, including the arrestor wires that bring theaircraft to a halt in just 90 metres. The SBTF also has the optical landing system that aircraft carriers have, which allows a pilot to “aim” his fighter at the arrestor wire on the carrier deck. Only after extensive testing at the SBTF will the Naval LCA attempt to land and take off from an actual aircraft carrier.
    ADA confirms that the Goa facility is close to completion.“We want the SBTF to be a national facility that would beavailable for training (naval pilots) on a wide range of aircraft. So it is built to be used by the naval LCA as well as by the MiG-29K,” says Commodore CD Balaji, who directs the Naval LCA project at ADA.
    The navy has bought 45 naval MiG-29K fighters, which will operate from the INS Vikramaditya (formerly the Admiral Gorshkov), whichRussia will deliver only next year after unexpected delays during trials recently.The MiG-29K will also fly from the indigenous INS Vikrant, along with the navalTejas.
    Naval aviators can train on the Tejas Mark I, which is powered by the General Electric F-404IN engine. But only Tejas Mark II fighters, powered by the more powerful F-414 engine, can take off from aircraft carriers. The F-414’s additional power is essential for getting the fighters airborne in a runway length of just 200 metres, which is all that an aircraft carrier offers.
    During a visit to ADA last week, Business Standard was briefed on the naval LCA. In 2003, when development of the naval variant began, ADA believed that the air force version could simply be converted into a naval fighter by strengthening the landing gear, and engineering an arrestor hooks and additional control surfaces. (A naval fighter must undergo far greater impacts while landing on an aircraft carrier deck, in what is oftendescribed as a “controlled crash.”)
    “In the paper design it looked feasible, similar to what Eurofighter proposed for a navalised Typhoon; or what Gripen proposed for the Sea Gripen. But when we started the detailed design and the actual build… we realized the benefits of whatDassault had done with the Rafale. They designed and built the naval variant first, the Rafale Marine. The air force Rafale is just a subset of Rafale Marine. That is the easiest path,” says Balaji ruefully.
    Instead ADA, in what has been a valuable learning experience, has arduously converted the air force Tejas into a naval version. That is the same path as RAC MiG took in building the MiG-29K naval fighter from the air force version of the MiG-29.
    Now the naval Tejas must demonstrate that it can land and take off from an aircraft carrier. It has already proved this in extensive computer simulation done by a team of scientists from the National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL).Next, the fighter will perform take offs and landings in realistic distances at the SBTF. ADA says it will demonstrate a take off by mid-2013 and a landing by end-2013. Only after that will the hazardous operation be performed on an aircraft carrier at sea.
    /
     
  2.  
  3. farhan_9909

    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2012
    Messages:
    5,895
    Likes Received:
    496
    Location:
    Abbottabad,Bannu
    Primary Antiship missile of Tejas?
     
  4. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2009
    Messages:
    20,519
    Likes Received:
    6,520
    probably KH-35 or a suprise like GABRIEL.
     
  5. Decklander

    Decklander New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2012
    Messages:
    2,654
    Likes Received:
    4,043
    Location:
    New Delhi
    Harpoons with a range of 290 kms.
     
  6. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2009
    Messages:
    20,519
    Likes Received:
    6,520
    weren't all the harpoons for the p8-i?
     
  7. sasi

    sasi Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2012
    Messages:
    3,401
    Likes Received:
    1,679
    Location:
    India
    HAL Tejas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    NP-1 - Two-seat Naval variant for carrier operations. Rolled out in July 2010. [ 71 ] It was planned to make first flight by mid-July 2011. [ 72 ] NP-1 made its first flight on 27 April 2012. [ 53 ]
    *. NP-2 - Single-seat LCA MK1 Naval variant for carrier operations. Both NP-1 & NP-2 are powered by GE-404 engine. NP-2 is in advanced stage of completion and is expected to fly by end of 2012. [ 53 ]
    *. NP-3 & NP-4 - Single-seat LCA MK 2 Naval variantfor carrier operations to be powered by the GE-414 engines. The design work on the two aircraft is nearlycomplete. [ 53 ]
    *. NP-5 - Another Single-seat LCA MK 1 Naval variantis planned so as to enhancethe pace of certification process for Naval LCA.
     
    ersakthivel and Kunal Biswas like this.
  8. farhan_9909

    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2012
    Messages:
    5,895
    Likes Received:
    496
    Location:
    Abbottabad,Bannu
    why nt brahmos than

    harpoons doesnt seem a great ASHM at present
     
  9. Decklander

    Decklander New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2012
    Messages:
    2,654
    Likes Received:
    4,043
    Location:
    New Delhi
    LCA pylon 2&6 are rated for 800kgs and are fit for carrying Harpoons. Even P8i carries them externally.
     
    ersakthivel and LETHALFORCE like this.
  10. Bheeshma

    Bheeshma Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    375
    LCA pylon is rated for 1200 kg.. Brahmos is 2.5 tonne.
     
    Kunal Biswas likes this.
  11. Decklander

    Decklander New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2012
    Messages:
    2,654
    Likes Received:
    4,043
    Location:
    New Delhi
    Onlt three pylons are rated for 1200 kgs, two for 800 kgs, 2 for 150kgs and one for 200 kgs amking a total of 5.7 tons.
     
    Splurgenxs and ersakthivel like this.
  12. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Messages:
    27,563
    Likes Received:
    28,311
    Location:
    BHARAT, INDIA, HINDUSTHAN
    Jagures also use harpoon..
     
    LETHALFORCE likes this.
  13. Decklander

    Decklander New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2012
    Messages:
    2,654
    Likes Received:
    4,043
    Location:
    New Delhi
    One of the problems of deck operations is the landing with assymetrical loads on pylons. LCA with 3.6 tons of fuel in D/Ts and two harpoons and 2 A2AM will have a ROA of nearly 1000Nm in Hi-HI-HI attack mode for striking surface targets at sea. Thats a huge range at sea for any fighter. But for that LCA will need full 120KN thrust from F414EPE. OR it will have to launch with empty D/Ts and than do buddy refueling after launch.
     
  14. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Messages:
    27,563
    Likes Received:
    28,311
    Location:
    BHARAT, INDIA, HINDUSTHAN
    LCA wing load config :

    [​IMG]
     
    Bheeshma, ersakthivel, nrj and 3 others like this.
  15. sasi

    sasi Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2012
    Messages:
    3,401
    Likes Received:
    1,679
    Location:
    India
    Kh-35U,Kh-31 P,Kh-35,Sea Eagle and harpoon.
     
  16. Defcon 1

    Defcon 1 Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2011
    Messages:
    1,455
    Likes Received:
    444
    Location:
    Lucknow
    Is it possible to carry multiple BVRs on the 800 kg pylons using multi ejector racks? If yes, has such a capability ever been tested?
     
  17. sasi

    sasi Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2012
    Messages:
    3,401
    Likes Received:
    1,679
    Location:
    India
    I thought last two pylons had capacity to hold 200kg ?
     
  18. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Messages:
    27,563
    Likes Received:
    28,311
    Location:
    BHARAT, INDIA, HINDUSTHAN
    Surely in near future, But at present KH-35U & AGM-84 are there..

    ----------------------------------------------------

    BrahMos Considers All-New AShM For MiG-29K & MMRCA

    Livefist: BrahMos Considers All-New AShM For MiG-29K & MMRCA

    ----------------------------------------------------

    In very near future..

     
    ersakthivel likes this.
  19. Defcon 1

    Defcon 1 Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2011
    Messages:
    1,455
    Likes Received:
    444
    Location:
    Lucknow
    Read somewhere that even Brahmos III will be a 1.5 tonne missile, so LCA will still not be able to carry it. But I don't think that makes much of a difference, we have enough planes in our inventory capable of carrying Brahmos missile. We don't need another. Moreover, Brahmos is primarily an antiship missile.

    But it could be an excellent missile for NLCA and if integrated, it will turn NLCA into a lethal anti ship weapon. Since NLCA will be bigger than airforce LCA, I hope they atleast have one pylon with 1.5 tonne capacity.
     
  20. Defcon 1

    Defcon 1 Senior Member Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2011
    Messages:
    1,455
    Likes Received:
    444
    Location:
    Lucknow
    @Kunal Biswas

    I believe this pic may be wrong. Just found this image from aero India 2011. Total external stores of LCA are capped at 3500 kg.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 10, 2015
  21. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Messages:
    27,563
    Likes Received:
    28,311
    Location:
    BHARAT, INDIA, HINDUSTHAN
    If it is going for MIG-29K then it may have to be within 1000kg or little more, MK3 will be with smaller warhead and diameter may be somewhat harpoon size..

    Must be an error in the poster..

     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 10, 2015

Share This Page