NATO Intercepted 19 Russian Military Aircraft In One Day

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  1. HMS Astute

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    NATO Intercepted 19 Russian Military Aircraft Today

    NATO
    intercepted at least 19 Russian aircraft flying far outside Russia's airspace today, worrying the organization's officials. "These sizable Russian flights represent an unusual level of air activity over European airspace," NATO said in a statement released this afternoon.

    The Russian fighter jets and bombers were seen flying in three different regions. The intercepts came a week after widespread reports that a Russian submarine may have been spotted off the coast of Sweden. The North Sea and Atlantic Ocean had the largest fleet of Russian aircraft activity, with eight planes detected by NATO radar flying in formation from Russian airspace toward the Norwegian Sea and into international airspace this afternoon.

    NATO allies, which continually watch over partner airspace, saw six of the planes turn back towards northern Russia after Norwegian Air Force F-16s intercepted the planes. The remaining two Russian planes, both Tu-95 Bear H bombers, continued to fly above the Norwegian coastline, prompting NATO planes stationed in the United Kingdom to track them.

    NATO Intercepts at Least 19 Russian Military Planes in 1 Day - ABC News
     
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    Article ignores/deliberately avoids mentioning that none of the Russian planes violated NATO airspace and they were flying in international airspace.
    Perfectly legal. Done from time to time by NATO countries too.
    Just the usual Russia baiting.
     
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    Spike in Russian Air Force activity in Europe may be a reaction to large US Strategic Command bombers exercise


    On Oct. 29, the U.S. Strategic Command concluded its largest yearly exercise. On the very same day, the Russian Air Force launched three packages which included of a mix of bombers and escort fighters for a total of 19 warplanes (26 if we consider also the close encounter on Oct. 28): a surge in missions flown close to European airspaces that NATO defined “unusual.”

    A mere coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

    Exercise Global Thunder 15 (first exercise for FY 2015, hence the 15) “is a command and control exercise designed to train Department of Defense forces and assess joint operational readiness across all of USSTRATCOM’s mission areas with a specific focus on nuclear readiness.”

    Conducted in coordination with North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command’s Exercise Vigilant Shield 15 (attended by tactical warplanes with the aim to train homeland defense forces), Global Thunder 15 is a realistic exercise during which nearly every USSTRATCOM component, task force, unit, command post and bomb wing takes part in the training events which are aimed at improving all the Command capabilities: space, cyber, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, global strike, and ballistic missile defense.

    On a 24-hour period, yearly Global Thunders foresee intense B-52 and B-2s perform their MITO departures and going up to the Arctic and back, controlled by several E-6B Mercury aircraft.

    Some strategic bombers route up over Nova Scotia and up past Thule/Greenland and either go all the way around North of Canada and back down through Canada/Alaska or they turn round and go back the way they came. Other waves go up over Alaska first and come back down viceversa.

    A one-day simulated nuclear war.

    Richard Cliff, a reader of The Aviationist and military aviation expert noticed that, usually after every Global Thunder, the Russians seem to launch similar long-range bomber missions, as those that caused the alert scrambles by NATO QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) cells across Europe.

    Therefore, Global Strike proves Russian bombers are not the only ones to fly in the Arctic or perform simulated long-range nuclear missions. At the same time, the exercise may be one of the reasons behind the spike in the Russian activities in Europe (even though we can’t but notice that the amount of close encounters has increased in the last couple of years regardless to whether there was a US Strategic Command in the same period or not).'

    http://theaviationist.com/2014/10/30/spike-in-russian-air-force-activity-in-europe-may-be-a-reaction-to-large-us-strategic-command-bombers-exercise/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
     
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    Text comprehension failure from Razor and liked by the user who shan't be named.

    As I mentioned in the other thread on this topic, the Russian planes flew all the way to Portugal. Portugal, co-incidentally, or not, is currently responsible for policing Baltic airspace.

    As opposed to Razor's "usual Russia baiting" I would describe this as a usual Russian irresponsible, immature, pointless and extremely dangerous provocation.

    It's only a matter of time before some Russian service personnel get killed following the ridiculous orders they are getting from their government.

    Little boys, with their toys. This forum has some awesome Russophiles.
     
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    Above is the original quote by OP.


    Text comprehension failure ?
    Maybe.
    There are three possibilities:
    1. You are right
    2. You are wrong.
    3. There is that annoying little gray area.

    I'm going with 3.

    Lets take a look at that quote again.

    It says "from Russian airspace toward the Norwegian Sea and into international airspace." They did not just say from Russian airspace into international airspace. No, that wouldn't be interesting. Readers (well, the average ones) wouldn't be very impressed. So they added a nice little Norwegian Sea into the equation.

    Next from the OP comes:

    Combine with above quote and you have : Did they pass over Euro airspace ? Did they not ?
    All this in my opinion creates an ambiguous idea in the minds of the casual reader.


    The planes did not violate territorial integrity of NATO. So no rules were broken.
    NATO airplanes also conduct exercises on the periphery of Russia. That would also be "provocation" then, wouldn't it ?
    Sure, Rossia is trying to intimidate NATO, but the reverse is also true and not to mention the sneaky little "peaceful protests" and "Orange revolution" (those were smart moves btw.)
    Russia made the mistake of trusting the West earlier in the 90s. The Western backed clown Yeltsin was president. Western economic packages/policies were adopted. Fifth columnists were given positions of power and wealth. It led Russia into collapse and to the brink of another disintegration. All this changed with the turn of the millennium.
    Now Russia understands that it needs to be prepared just like NATO, hence the exercises.

    Russophiles, Russophobes. Everybody's got to pick a side. Not a NATO-fanboy, so I picked a side.
    Just don't know why some whine over it.​
     
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    @Razor,

    There is comprehension inability. Then there is lack in basic instruction in arithmetic. If 8 Russian aircraft were detected flying towards international airspace, where were they intercepted, and where were the remaining 19 - 8 = 11 Russian aircraft intercepted?

    Also, what exactly is interception. Is one aircraft flanking another aircraft in international airspace "interception?"
     
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    As your war crazy have their way of functioning, so is with Russia and China.

    There is a purpose to Russia's strategic aviation and that's what it is doing.

    NATO can shoot at these planes if it wants. Shooting at a plane carrying nuclear tipped cruise missiles is a very serious incident. Let us see if NATO has the guts.

    The economic warfare aimed at Russia has already bared West's intentions. What remains. If you haven't noticed, a war is already on.
     
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    I was being polite describing you as failing to understand the text. You were actually, flat out, lying.

    You claimed the article ignored/deliberately didn't mention that the Russians planes didn't enter NATO airspace. The article, specifically, mentioned the planes flew from Russian airspace to international waters. True, if you were a paranoid psychopathic Russian(/apparently Indian???) who had no understanding of who a free press works you could claim that it "deliberately" didn't mention NATO airspace, but I choose to believe you aren't that naive, Razor, and know who to read a newspaper.

    Of your three possibilities, the answer is 1) you are wrong. Although, having read your and your friend's posts, understand why you can't admit your mistakes.

    Russians and Ukriane's have to chose a side. It's no one else's business. As far as I'm concerned, you and your Pro- Russian war mongers on this forum, have blood on your hands.
     
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    @Razor, don't worry.

    I went through to article just now.

    You are correct. The article nowhere mentions that none of the Russian airplanes were intercepted over NATO airspace.

    The article instead goes onto confuse with a quote "European Airspace," and "approaches NATO airspace," but does not say that they were or were not intercepted over NATO airspace.

    The article is malafide, and instead of adding clarity, adds confusion.
     
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    NATO should shoot down Russian planes. :taunt:
     
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    Thank you for being polite.

    Simply repeating the same thing again without proving it, doesn't make it true.
    I said the article is being ambiguous.

    The article does not explicitly mention that the Russian planes never violate NATO airspace. A news article that is hard on facts must have mentioned this most important point. But since the article's aim is fear mongering, they conveniently forget to mention it.

    Further the article says the Russian planes moved "from Russian airspace toward the Norwegian Sea and into international airspace."
    Why did they add that "Norwegian Sea" bit. Answer: To create confusion.
    To further deepen the confusion the article adds "unusual level of air activity over European airspace"
    How can there be "unusual level of air activity over European airspace", when the Russian planes haven't violated it ?
    Again confusion.


    I know how polite you are.
    But don't be so polite as to tell others what to do. If the destablisation effort by the West in Ukraine is not your business, then refrain from commenting on such threads.

    Not so high on the emotional baggage, doesn't work on me.
     
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    Sorry buddy, i'm pretty busy at the moment. I'm with a girl from Georgia (ask Pmaitra) and Nova Sovocotia(no one knows)
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    It's okay. Take your time.
    Don't worry I believe you.
     
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    Russkies lie and try to camouflage military planes as civilian...naughty.

    Originally Posted by Yle.fi source Thursdays papers also focus on new information about an airspace incursion by a Russian plane in Finland in August. The tabloid daily Iltalehti reports that the pilot of the unidentified Russian military craft tried to pass his jet off as a civilian plane, according to preliminary findings by the Finnish Border Guard.

    The incident, which took place near Porvoo on August 28, saw air traffic controllers warn the pilot off from entering Finnish air space without permission, however the pilot insisted that his plane belonged to the Russian commercial airline Aeroflot, when in fact it was an Antonov 72 military jet. Iltalehti quotes Parliamentary Defence Committee chair Jussi Niinistö, who condemned the actions of the pilot. The Aeroflot message suggests that this was a deliberate and gross violation of Finnish territory. This is by no means a question of navigational error, Niinistö told the paper. The Russian military
    jet exited Finnish airspace after fighter jets scrambled by the Finnish Air Force forced it to change course. The paper reports that Finland chose not to pursue an inquiry into the case since it was more than likely that it wouldnt be possible to question the pilot. Altogether there were three airspace incursions by Russian military jets into Finnish airspace in August this year.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Halifax, Nova Scotia... should learn to spell places name's better
     

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