Nationalism in India is being anti-Pakistan and anti-China

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  1. Neo

    Neo Senior Member Senior Member

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    Nationalism in India is being anti-Pakistan and anti-China

    ‘The assumption is that the lines have been drawn and the two sides (India and Pakistan) have gone to battle. All of us, whether analysts or politicians or citizens or cricketers or housewives, must see the other side as an enemy and must reject everything it says or does even if we gain nothing from it. I am no longer able to subscribe to this stupidity,’ says Aakar Patel.


    It is not easy being a television analyst in times, such as they are now, when India is at war with Pakistan.

    Not a real war of course, because we can no longer have such a thing after the mindless fireworks of Pokhran and Chagai.

    I mean this childish sparring over whether or not we should have talks. To me it is difficult to understand why we are stopping people from meeting in this day and age when they can communicate whatever they want to over Skype and telephone and email and the rest.

    But perhaps I do not understand the subtleties of international diplomacy. What appears to me to be stupidity and stubbornness might well actually be some stroke of Chanakyan genius.

    Anyway, what I was saying was that it is not easy to be an analyst in these times when one is independent-minded. It is not possible for me to take the party line or the national line as seems to come so easily to others in the studio.

    To me fact and context are important. I was blindly nationalistic for a long time but one matures as one reads and encounters the world.

    One understands the nature of regional nationalism as being zero-sum. Meaning I can only win if you lose and are seen to lose, and any benefit to you necessarily comes at a loss to me.

    What is the nature of our nationalism here in India? It is anti-Pakistan and anti-China.

    It does not allow for nuance or shade. We have to fully subscribe to it or be seen as defiant if not outright hostile. We have always to be anti-Pakistan even if there is damage to us or no benefit to India in such a position (and there is zero benefit to India in not allowing old Sartaj Aziz to meet the blowhards of the Hurriyat).

    We belittle India, ‘the world's largest democracy' as we do not tire reminding people, when we lock up our own citizens for fear that they will gossip with the enemy.

    We show ourselves as not a confident republic by such actions. This must be obvious to the most closed-minded analyst. And yet to say this on television is to elicit gasps of astonishment and accusations of being anti-national.

    The other thing is being labeled when one holds a particular view in a particular instance. This comes from our conviction that all of us are dyed in some sort of ideology that cannot be escaped through logic and reason.

    We loosely use terms like 'left' and 'liberal' and 'right' without properly understanding them. I suppose one reason is that we have categories which are based on hate, like Hindutva, which offers nothing positive to Hindus, only anger and bitterness against Muslims and Christians.

    People who have this sort of hatred will find it difficult to separate their mindset and their emotion from the issue at hand, whatever it may be. But why must we all line up in agreement behind them?

    I do not and cannot.

    One anchor said during the debate that ‘we all are agreed in the studio that Pakistan is to blame if the talks collapse’. But I was not agreed. It was just assumed that because this was an India versus Pakistan issue, all Indians would or should back the government position.

    The assumption is that the lines have been drawn and the two sides have gone to battle. All of us, whether analysts or politicians or citizens or cricketers or housewives, must see the other side as an enemy and must reject everything it says or does even if we gain nothing from it.

    I am no longer able to subscribe to this stupidity. This makes TV appearances difficult for me.

    The clever ones will ask why I continue to do if I hate it so much or at least find it unpleasant, which I do. The reason is of course that I am paid to do this work. And sometimes, not often, it is enjoyable.

    The other reason is that there are some who may also think in the same way as I do. It may not be a large number, but I would like to believe that there is a group of us who reject the madness and the pettiness.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/column/na...a/20150825.htm
     
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  3. I_PLAY_BAD

    I_PLAY_BAD Regular Member

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    Anti-Pakistan, Yes.
    Anti-China, No.
    We respect China and see her as a potential trade partner.
    We don't respect Pakistan and see it as a terrorist state.
    This is an article which tries to portrait that India is hating China along with Pakistan ans malign Indo-China ties further.
    In our eyes Pakistan and China are different countries with different set of expectations and belief system.
     
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  4. Raja.pakistani

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    Indian nationalists are actually jingoistic. They have to hate Pakistan in order to be patriotic Indian and you are not patriotic if you dont hate pakistan no matter how good citizen you are in following rules and laws of a country etc
     
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    Aakar Patel? Seriously?


    You post one of the most irrelevant and anti-national reporter's article and waste the bandwidth and expect what? Thank god I read the author's name first, else I might have given a go to the article out of sheer boredom!!!


    Ahem.... boy, we are not Pakistan. So being a patriotic Indian doesn't mean one has to hate Pakisatn. However, a primary criterion is that one cannot love Pakistan either. Now, a good nationalist Indian, which is a notch up than a mere Patriotic India, you gotta hate everything that is Pakistan. There's the difference.

    Now, you come to deenceforumindia and expect not to find majority of Indian members being hardcore nationalists, is like going to starbucks and not finding espresso.
     
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    You forgot Pakistan nationalists are sadistic. They divert precious youth towards terrorism and jihad and severely hamper empowerment and growth. Indian nationalists don't do that. When we are born our society educates us to get a good job, contribute to nation and settle in life (which in turn is doing good to nation) whereas in Pakistan many youth turn towards terrorism. Is it a result of bad up bringing or ideological crisis?
     
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    we know what we are........no need to learn from mr patel. he shoul sit on dharna for his brothers.
     
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    Yes we are the one planning ghazwa e pak and creating mard e momins and mujahid to do it .
    Dude that's your USP, you hate India and Indians , Pakistan was created on basis of religion not India . So please stop giving these lame excuses , I for one don't hate Pakistan and believe in better relation but since you people are so anti Indian that anyone who speaks in favour of India becomes dushman of kaum and gaddar , everything else becomes irrelevant
     
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    Nationalism like what, threatening us with nuclear missiles, holding anti India rallies with calls of open jihad on India :biggrin2:, that distinctive award only goes to Pakistan.

    We are not afraid of giving FTA's to our neighbour, but on the other hand Indophobia/RAWphobia seems to be a incurable disease for some in our western neighbourhood.

    I recommend yoga for this disease as it will help reduce stress levels.
     
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    The same country gives jobs to your sportsmen, give opportunities to your actors and singers, crowdfunded operations when pakistanis can't afford to treat their kids. Yaar itne bure bhi nahin hai ham:biggrin2:
     
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