National Advisory Council (NAC): Super-government ?

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Is the NAC good for policy formulation

  1. Yes it is and should be allowed to function as it is now

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  2. It should be allowed to function with legally binding responsibilities on its members

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  1. anoop_mig25

    anoop_mig25 Senior Member Senior Member

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    DFI`ans view regarding National Advisory Council

    hi dfi`ans i want to know all your views about regarding National Advisory Council . my view is that is an extra-constitutional body which overrides functioning.i see it as an private cabinet arranged by congreess to show/retain its left leaning or pro-poor image.it is full of people who have left leaning attitudes where they calls for more government interfernce in running the system.all though those which constitutes NAC have previliged but they doesnt have any responsibilities whatsoever . if any thing that happens its union cabinet which has to answer , but what about this nac.at present there is difference resolving mechanism between NAC and unoin council even though what has been passed by NAC has to be completely endrosed by union cabinet with little modifications but i doubt this would continue in future,in future whatever endrosed by nac(if and when congrees comes to power) has to be necessarily passed by union cabinet even if no-one agrees (how cab any congreesmen displease Smt sonia gandhi).
    except for RIGHT TO INFORMATION i hardly found anything which is good for public, all those schemes are adding burden on either national expenditure or state expenditure and as we know most of indian state are only show much burrened by stupid previous policies then how can they add new burdens to their expenditure .
    plz post your views . thanking u.
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    positing form wiki
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Advisory_Council#Criticisms

    The National Advisory Council of India is an advisory body set up to monitor the implementation of the UPA government's manifesto, the Common Minimum Programme(CMP). It is a brainchild of Congress party president, Sonia Gandhi. It is also informally called as UPA's Planning Commission for social agenda. On 23 March 2006, Sonia gandhi had resigned from the post of chairmanship of the NAC after Office of profit controversy. On 29 March 2010, she was back as the chairperson of NAC.

    The NAC - II is a mix of activists, retired bureaucrats, economists, politicians and an industrialist.
    Sonia Gandhi - Chairman
    Prof. M.S. Swaminathan - Agricultural scientist and MP
    Dr. Ram Dayal Munda - MP
    Aruna Roy - Retired bureaucrat
    Jean Dreze - Development economist
    Narendra Jadhav - former bureaucrat & Member, Planning Commission
    Harsh Mander - Retired Bureaucrat
    Prof. Pramod Tandon - Vice Chancellor, North Eastern Hill University
    Deep Joshi - Social activist
    Madhav Gadgil - Social activist
    Farah Naqvi - Social activist
    Dr. N. C. Saxena - former bureaucrat
    Anu Aga - Businesswoman
    A. K. Shiva Kumar - Economist[2]
    Mirai Chatterjee - Coordinator, SEWA, Ahmedabad
    The NAC secretariat has Rita Sharma as its Secretary.(which one of them is industrialist here )

    Focus areas
    Natural resource management, including revitalisation of agriculture,
    Development of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
    Welfare of minorities
    Poverty elimination and employment generation
    Land rights and land reforms
    Right to education, disadvantaged children
    Health security and medical insurance
    Social security and safety net for the disadvantaged groups
    Urban poverty
    Development of the northeast
    Special Component plan for Scheduled Castes and the tribal sub-plan for Scheduled Tribes.

    Achievements
    NREGA
    Right to Information Act
    The RTE act neglected the constitutional rights of tribal councils in north east India, which are the bodies having controlling powers over Elementary Education in their respective areas.

    Criticisms:The NAC has been criticized by opposition parties and scholars as not in keeping with India's constitution, and that it would emerge as an alternative, unelected cabinet, particularly given Mrs. Gandhi's political standing.
     
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  3. sob

    sob Moderator Moderator

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    Pranab-da, you can pack off the Baba, but what about NAC?

    The full article is here : http://www.firstpost.com/politics/pranab-da-you-can-pack-off-the-baba-but-what-about-nac-24540.html
     
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    sob Moderator Moderator

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    From the Same article

    This is the same NAC which is acting like a super Cabinet and reportedly even senior ministers are afraid to cross swords with the members of NAC.
     
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    sob Moderator Moderator

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    In same vien headlines of today's newspaper

    Govt wary of NAC food Bill draft

    The full article is here : Govt wary of NAC food Bill draft - Indian Express

    What sanctity does this NAC have to put two senior ministers in a tizzy.
     
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    malluowl Regular Member

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    No matter how you twist it what Anna is trying to do is illegitimate. He has absolutely no right to create a super government.
     
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    NAC is like the Planning commission, advisory bodies instituted by the govt. to give bipartisan advice. More importantly they both come under the RTI act (which incidentally came out of the NAC as well). So people can request meeting of the minutes and so on from both bodies to find out what is going on. Anna Hazare's team atleast for now doesn't come under the RTI act.

    So for example you can see what is discussed in each NAC meeting here http://nac.nic.in/meetings.htm

    The only problem is that NAC president is Sonia Gandhi who is also the Congress president chief. Either she should resign from the chair or from the president post because there is a chance of undue influence due to her position.

    No one complains about the Planning commission by Montek even though it does the exact same thing as the NAC.

    Personally, I think its just the Congress's way of having a center right think tank in the Planning commission and a center left think tank in the NAC. At least the policies that they come out with seem to show this bias.
     
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    The problem is not per se with the idea of NAC. They can fill it with people of their choice, be it left wing or right wing. The problem is the functioning of NAC. With the patronage of Madame G they have taken on the position of a Super Cabinet and as per media reports even Senior Cabinet Ministers are wary of crossing Swords with the members of NAC.

    Anna Hazare's team is only working as a pressure group to push fo rthe Lokpal bill which will bring more accountability in the system. They have been very open and have been offering for the discussions to be broadcast-ed live, which the Govt. for obvious reasons is wary and has refused. Once the Lokpal issue is settled, the Anna team will be out of the picture till the next issue crops up. So for them to be under RTI at this stage is of no use.
     
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    What did Farah Naqvi do to become a member of NAC ?

    She is the daughter of Javed Naqvi who regularly badmouths Hindus and India in Pakistan newspapers. I mean looks like UPA II has decided to sell India to enemies at all cost.

    I hate this terrorist Congress party.
     
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    koi photo dalo farah naqvi ka
     
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    You are asking this question 2 years after she was nominated to NAC?
     
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    I know why you are asking. She is not going to be to your liking.
     
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    whyyyyy does she look like this??

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    My response to Javed Naqvi of Dawn
    Mar 6 2008 | Views 2551 | Comments (4) | Report Abuse
    Tags: javed naqvi dawn hindu past conjured up not true

    Mr Naqvi is prone to some excesses when he criticizes India which is his right as an Indian citizen please see
    below.

    http://dawn.com/weekly/jawed/20080303.htm

    This is what I replied in Dawn

    Siege mentality


    THIS is apropos of Jawed Naqvi’s criticism on the Hindu right wing, both of the homegrown and the diaspora variety (‘Globalisation and the story of an unremitting siege mentality’, March 3). I do not take exception to his attack because the Hindu right has some of the tendencies that he talks about and deserves to be called to account.

    I, however, take some exception to his claim that he makes several times in his article that Hindu claims of a great past are imagined, to use his expression ‘conjured up’. Muslims in general have a tendency of minimising the achievements of Hindus and Mr Naqvi is no exception.

    The opposite is also true that right wing Hindus have the same tendency of treating everything Muslim with contempt.

    However, I would aver as far as religion, philosophy, history and science are concerned. Mr Naqvi belongs to an intellectual minority that appears to believe that the Hindu past greatness is imagined. As far as I am concerned, I would prefer to call it the Indian past, because I count Ghalib, the Sufi mystics, Iqbal, Kabir and of course Mahavira, the Buddha and Nanak in that past because culture in a country, especially a country of several beliefs as India, is a composite created by the push and pull of a people that belonged to many schools of thought. India fortunately has belonged to a past of many beliefs even within Hinduism.

    If Mr Naqvi wishes to know about the ‘conjured’ past, he should read such writers as Will Durant, Mark Twain, Vincent Smith and Al Basham amongst many others or read about Indian mathematicians, from Panini and Aryabhatta in ancient India down to Ramanujan in the 20th century. Or philosophers like Sankara (8th century) and Ramanuja (11th century). Or great kings like Chandragupta Maurya, Ashoka, Raja Chola and Akbar.

    In spite of the Hindu right wing, India still has freedom of expression and all right thinking Indians, Hindu, Muslim or otherwise should fight to keep it so.

    In that, India is unique in the subcontinent and should guard that freedom with great care.

    GIRDHAR GOPAL
    United States

    And this is what The Dawn edited out of my letter to them:In his quest to attack the Hindu right wing, Mr Naqvi need not trash India's past. Mr. Naqvi uses your columns regularly to attack the majority community of India, but can you say a Hindu living in Pakistan can get away attacking the Islamic majority in Pakistan in say the Times of India. Or not get under the watchful eye of a Shariah court by saying that the Muslim past is conjure(d) up ?

    My response to Javed Naqvi of Dawn : Girdhar Gopal blogs on sulekha, Current Affairs blogs, Girdhar Gopal blog from india
     
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    He is secular in that case - meaning anti-Hindu.
     
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    Javed Naqvi an Indian journalist born, brought up,educated and supported to middle age by India, writes anti India diatribes in the Dawn of Pakistan. What is striking is that his, in this writer's humble opinion, manufactured ire, is aimed solely in making India look bad in a Pakistani forum.



    The whole raison d'etre for Pakistan, for the last sixty three years has been the literal decimation of minorities,endemic internal terrorism and the liberal export thereof into India, draconian shariah laws that have beleagured not only the pitiful remaining Sikhs, Hindus, Christians but also those Muslim and proto Muslim groups, NOT part of the Sunni Ummah orthodoxy, its open begging bowl and its marquee status amongst failed rogue states. This accompanied by, a now lost sense of superiority, against India. Lost by the hiding that Pakistan has received from India in the past three and half wars. This lost superiority has now been replaced by the pathetic notion that India is also in a bad way (eagerly attested to in this case by India's own citizen and putative journalist, Javed Naqvi in the Dawn) which apparently in Pakistan's nose dive to perdition, makes things more bearable. Mr. Naqvi, seldom has anything good to say about India and the amin corner(similar to the amen corner of Christian fundamentalists) in Pakistan laps it up. Dawn chooses not have a forum that can rebut Naqvi's claims about India. I am thus forced to reply to the most egregious canards about India, aimed by this anti Indian Indian, in this forum. I shall comment whenever Mr. Naqvi's canards about India get difficult particularly difficult to take.


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    Naqvi Quotations(NQ) and My Comments(MC)



    NQ: Quoting and commenting on Manmohan Singh's August 15 address:
    “In Jammu and Kashmir, we are ready to talk to every person or group which abjures violence. Kashmir is an integral part of India... Recently, some young men have lost their lives in violence in Jammu and Kashmir. We deeply regret this. The years of violence should now end. Such violence would not benefit anyone.” The model of brutally suppressing stone-throwing resistance groups is borrowed from recent Israeli practices in Gaza. In the massacre of peace activists on the relief flotilla unarmed passengers were held responsible for harming well-armed Israeli soldiers forcing them to shoot. That’s a new trend in massacres. In any case if Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India – though the United Nations still holds otherwise – then why bother to discuss it with Pakistan at all? China doesn’t discuss Tibet with the world. Can we be a little clearer about this?



    MC: Naqvi calls the killing of Kashmiri youth as massacres: This in a forum(Dawn) and a country(Pakistan) where mass killing is an endemic and daily affair. Muslims are in greater danger of death and destruction in the land of the pure than in India. Naqvi also questions India's claim that J&K was an integral part of India: India has greater bonafides from the 1947 Act of Accession, than Pakistan has for the so called Azad Kashmir. In the past, several years ago I had questioned Mr Naqvi calling Indian Kashmir as 'held' Kashmir and Pakistani Kashmir as Azad(sic) Kashmir. He said that he intended changing the nomenclature: he seems to have done so since.



    NQ:On Pakistan, Dr Singh said: “We expect from them that they would not let their territory be used for acts of terrorism against India. We have been emphasising this in all our discussions with the Pakistan government. If this is not done, we cannot progress far in our dialogue with Pakistan.” This is the most perplexing thing about these ties. The clause about cross-border terrorism was inserted by Mr Vajpayee in his Islamabad meeting with Gen Musharraf in 2004. Since then Dr Singh has on several occasions signed agreements – in 2005 with Musharraf and last year with Prime Minister Gilani – saying that terrorism would not be allowed to come in the way of the peace process. But then there are a lot of things that Dr Singh has promised, including the starting of consulates in Mumbai and Karachi. We have to forget all that for now.



    MC: Naqvi is following the Pakistani parti line, hook, line and sinker, that cross border terrorism must not be allowed to interefere with the peace process. He also accuses the Indian Prime Minister to be inconsistent in blowing hot and cold on that principle that cross border terrorism should not stand in the way to negotiation. Unlike a fake democracy like Pakistan(though Naqvi has to the delight of his Dawn readers, as several times 'shown' how fake Indian democracy is) Indian Prime Ministers have to bend to Indian public opinion, which appears adamantly opposed to negotiating with a Government that uses terrorism as a weapon of statecraft.

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    NQ:"For Prime Minister Manmohan Singh the Games will be a diversion from the daily mayhem of civilian deaths in Kashmir, Chhatisgarh, Manipur and many other hotspots that have spun out of control across India. People are asking why when the country was growing at a snail’s pace of 2.5 per cent India was more peaceful than now when it is supposed to be galloping at between 8 and 9 per cent.

    Dr Singh told his alma mater at Oxford not too long ago that the British gave India the “rule of law” which was the result of its meeting the “dominant empire of the day.” The fact is India did not ‘meet’ the dominant empire of the day. It was conquered and colonised, her economy plundered, and her people as a whole, irrespective of class status, converted for the first time into inferior beings in their own country. The Commonwealth Games is a tribute to that slave mentality."

    MC: You note that Naqvi is attacking what he calls"the daily mayhem of civilian deaths in Kashmir, Chhatisgarh, Manipur and many other hotspots that have spun out of control across India." This he is saying to a receptive and enthusiastic Dawn audience: you can virtually the clapping and the Toba's to Mr. Naqvi's perspicacity. The question to ask Mr Naqvi is what the percentage of the Naxalites and deaths in the states of Chattisgarh and Manipur and elsewhere and that of Pakistani sponsored and inspired youth in Kashmir to the total population of India Vs the mass murder that is a daily affair in Pakistan. Naqvi ignores the latter and celebrates the former to an enthusiastic audience in Pakistan. Attack on innocents whether it is in India or in Pakistan should be roundly condemned. He calls India a slave state because it is hosting the Commonwealth Games. And he is saying this to an audience who are getting daily handouts from the West, to stay alive, to kill , for another day, both in their own backyard and in India.

    Naqvi Watch 1:Counterpoints to Javed Naqvis Indian Column in the Dawn of Karachi : Girdhar Gopal blogs on sulekha, Current Affairs blogs, Girdhar Gopal blog from india
     
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    Can't stand the chap.

    India has many things wrong but to contrive stories and publish in Pakistan is Namak Harami.

    Even though his daughter being in NAC two years ago, I find it odd that such an anti Govt chap daughter can get into a body that will dictate the policies of the Nation (although not in an official way and instead, surprisingly with greater clout!).

    It is like feeding a snake with one's own hand in its mouth!
     
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    I wonder what will happen to NAC if there is no UPA-III in 2014. These persons are hand picked by Sonia Gandhi apparently.
     
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    Exported to the country they bat for?
     
  20. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Take MJ Akbar.

    He writes on India on every issue.

    He is balanced.
     
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