Narendra Modi vs the Germans

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  1. GokuInd

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    Modi wants German delegation to apologise, PM to intervene

    PTI
    Friday, April 9, 2010 21:40 IST

    Ahmedabad: Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi today wrote a letter to prime minister Manmohan Singh today demanding that a visitingparliamentary delegation from Germany should apologize for allegedly having tarnished the image of a democratically-elected head of a state.

    The delegation members, who had visited the state to study the status of minorities, reportedly justified the European Union's decision of not granting visa to Modi.

    The chief minister of Gujarat has a radical tone to his politics and is described as dictatorial. He has a wrong perception of religious freedom, members of Christian Democratic Union (CDU) of ruling coalition of Germany had reportedly told the media during their visit here yesterday.

    Modi, in his letter to the PM, requested him to take up the matter with the German Ambassador to India and he should be asked to direct the public officials to apologise for making such remarks.

    "Recently, a German parliamentary delegation visited Gujarat and issued statements to the news media that were maleficent in nature and were tarnishing the image of chief minister, the state of Gujarat and India. CM has said that the delegation should apologise for the matter," a state government release said.

    Modi demanded that either the delegation members should apologise or issue a clarification if they have not made any such statement to the media.

    "The CM appreciates the free press in the country but it does not give any public official of a foreign government a right to tarnish image of any elected head of government of the country."

    "In the Centre also, statements were made based on German delegation's interaction on its single day visit to Ahmedabad city and (the delegation members) are implying that rule of law does not prevail in India," Modi said in the release.
     
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  3. NSG_Blackcats

    NSG_Blackcats Member of The Month OCTOBER 2009 Senior Member

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    I do not understand who are German and European Union to certify anyone. These Parliamentarian delegation should have been kicked out of Gujarat at the very first instance. Why these idiots are not visiting Iraq and Afghanistan where NATO forces are killing innocent civilians everyday.
     
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    Ask them to visit the pakistan also to see the worst things that can happen to the minorties. How can a foreginer comment on a head of state elected by parliamentary means of elections and GoI is still having the lollypop. Come on where is the assertiveness??
     
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    I am no supporter of the bad things that happened in Gujrat, but what I would like to say is, Who the hell is Germany to talk to us about Minority rights? Who the hell Killed Millions of Jews, and who created the Whole Mess in Palestine where still thousands are blockaded and killed of in Gaza and elsewhere? Who the hell made the monster called Talib?? It surely wasnt us! It had europe and US all over it!

    I say let them say whatever they want, let them report whatever, we should see if there is any truth to it, after that if found right, act otherwise chuck them out. I dont mind others pointing out our fault, but to throw stones from glass houses, hmmmm thats another ball game!

    Lastly, let us take the effort to never give these guys a reason to tarnish our countries image, lets work towards that! Lets introspect too!
     
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    Okay, Wait, why is no one pointing out anything against Israel?? Wasnt Germany the folks who gave Israelis the Dolphins and still arm them?? For Killing off poor "Muslims" in the area right? Oh Wait that will be Anti Semitic right? :p

    Israelis are our friends all right, but we should point out to the Germans that they should quit the double standards or shut up all together! Let them do the same all around the world, and go to France, USA, Iraq, Israel, etc and point out the plight of Minorities and the curtailment they endure there! We are living here for thousands of years and we will continue to do so.

    If Modi is a Mass Murderer then Germany too has that lineage, I mean its like one Mass Murderer telling another to be a Nice chap! WTF!
     
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    The germans don't like to put any blame on israel due to the crimes they commited against the jew's .The american's also give them a free hand to do as they wish due to the massive jewish lobby in america.The strong take advantage of the weak,and india act's weak when teorrists actack her people.You only have to look at the way the mumbai attack's have made little impact on the pakistan to act againist the groups that would provoke war between the 2 countries.
     
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    Germans coming to Gujurat to see the status of minorities what a joke when they got rid of all the minorities in Germany, and it only took one day to conclude the study sounds like a bigger joke, probably some politics going on or may have been done at the request of Obama just like when he send that stooge david milliband.
     
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    Many Indian politicians including senior ministers have been accused of their complicity in rioting and pogroms. However as per the law of the West and which India also follows one is to be treated as an innocent until found guilty. Many of these politicians infact have been awarded by nations all over the world for their services.

    Now, Irrespective if whether Narendra Modi has committed those crimes or not but since he has not been found guilty by the courts as yet therefore he is to be treated as an innocent. On what basis is the German delegation justifying the decision of not giving him a visa ? This is a direct contempt of the Indian State, democracy, ethos, executive, legislative and judiciary and the members of this delegation must be treated as persona non grata and expelled.
     
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    All the comments above are right. But remember the old hindi saying? "jiski laathi, uski bhains"

    The west has been the dominant force for at least three centuries and more so post WWII and even more so post cold war. So they have the "laathi" right now.

    What in "their" eyes is right is right and what is wrong is wrong. Even all the hypocrisies we have seen for the last 60 years all over the world where its ok to do business with a dictator from one country and go preach the virtues of democracies in another and brand them as rogue if they dont fall in line.

    Once india is more powerful militarily and economically than the western world, all this will stop. Esp when the balance of world power well and truly moves to the east with the rise of china and india along with other developing countries. Till then all we will do is protest and nothing more. At the most useless words of denials and political spin will continue.
     
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    I will disagree with you here.

    Advani, Vajyapayee were involved in Babri Masjid yet they were honoured by even the Pak govt. Kamal Nath was alleged to be involved in Sikh Riots yet he is an important member of the Indian Govt. Indian Govt's HR record is well not as stellar but nobody says anything. We got a nuclear deal, never signed CTBT+NPT, freely test ballistic missiles, shut everyone up when it comes to Kashmir.
    In short, we are not exactly a pushover.

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    Vir Sanghvi has an interesting take on this. I don't have the link but will try to explain the gist of his argument.

    All Indian politicians and parties involved in rioting, sectarian issues and pogroms such as Tytler, Advani etc. have sought to dissociate themselves from their ignoble acts. They have never expressed their complicity. They regret whatever happened.

    Modi on the other hand has purposefully cultivated such an image. He refuses to apologise, refuses to talk about the riots. His virulent attacks on Muslims during electioneering is also a ploy to cultivate that image. He is a deeply divisive figure and he profits from this.

    Its his very behaviour which doesn't allow any benefit of the doubt to be given to him and neither does he want anyone to have a doubt.
     
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    I was actually generalizing the whole western policy, they are hypocrites and dont mind winking at things if they gain something else.
     
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    Of course they are hypocrites but so is everyone. The problem I have is when they adopt a holier than thou coupled with a condescending attitude.
     
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    Paaji, but that has how the west worked isnt it? Tomorrow if Modi decides on modernisation of Kandla port and offers to a german company for instance, those very guys will come and shake hands with modi and sing hosannas.

    The indian media just goes bonkers for no reason and make a big issue out of it. Its the media who also frame questions in such a manner so as to get a reply that serves their circulations well. Rest is done by the reporter and editor who add all the spices they want.

    We just have to get over all this and dis regard it.

    The first question that i am actually asking right in the end is who the hell and why the hell allowed a german delegation to check out problems on indian minorities?
     
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    Anger is justifiable but that doesnt mean use of foul language is also justified on the forum. Also it would be good if you can substantiate the "thousands of afghans" claimed killed by germans by you. If not its just lose talk which drags the quality of discussion and forum down.
     
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    Yusuf, many of those German delegations and politicians have a very creepy attitude indeed when it comes to human rights. Germany's foreign minister Guido Westerwelle is an avowing homosexual and was once mulling about severing economic assistance to those countries that punish homosexuality (apart from his weird ideas he draws constant flak for his interference in other matters and is therefore the least favoured politician through all surveys).

    Remember the outstanding EU - India FTA. The EU chaps are adamant on implementing social standards, in other words willing to kill the agreement over some petty issues.
    And don't you think there are no social disparities at all in the West. It's just you can't see them so openly - huge unemployment, ailing healthcare sector, wage disparities, etc.etc. Don't even ask about the minorities, especially those from Islamic countries. Overall their performance is just bad, thanks not only to their inertia, but lack of interest and responsibility by the respective governments.
     
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    Irony is the worst committers genocides like usa/ west /pakistan advise india on human rights.
     
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    Again it call comes with the power they possess right now. I hope to live another 50 years when indian economy will be three or four times german and then see what they have to say then. Its all about power. They can say anything they want and get away with it.
     
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    Absolutely. I mean, when has any Chinese politician ever been barred from entering any EU country (the ban on arms sales set aside)? Does that imply their Human rights records are better than ours...?
     
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    Modi still persona non grata in Europe, say German MPs

    Modi still persona non grata in Europe, say German MPs


    Eight years might have passed since the communal violence rocked Gujarat in 2002; a time long enough for India Inc to move on, but not the developed countries, especially the European Union. A four member delegation from Germany representing parliamentarians of its ruling coalition visited the city on Wednesday and Thursday and met with people from different walks of life to have an idea about the Human Rights situation in the state.
    While expressing desire to continue strengthening ties with Gujarat and India, they squarely blamed the chief minister of ‘partial dictatorial and hostile’ brand of politics, which continues to divide the society with laws like the Disturbed Areas Act and curbs on religious conversions.
    The MPs represented the ruling party of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrat Union party and its alliance Free Democrat Party. They will be submitting a report to the president of the German parliament. Christian Democrat Union MP, Ute Granold, said that Modi continues to be persona non grata in Europe. “His visit to Europe cannot be justified and we strongly support that stand,” Granold said. “Good governance is important for us too. Gujarat is doing very well economically, but economic development cannot be pursued at the cost of human rights. Both should go hand in hand. The CM’s understanding of democracy is wrong.”

    The Free Democrat Party MP, Pascal Kober, said that today people everywhere live in a multi-polar world.
    "We have good relations with the Indian government. But we are also looking at state-level relations, which is why what happens here is important for us," he said.The delegation will also be touring Orissa (in India) and other countries such as Turkey and Egypt to analyse the human rights situation there. Both the MPs are part of the human rights committee of the German parliament. They will submit a report to the committee of their respective Parliament group. They believe their report may have an impact on German companies investing in Gujarat. "German society and companies are sensitive to human rights issues. However, our aim is to improve relations between Germany and India," Granold said. Shocked at the projection of Hitler
    in Gujarat's textbooks,Granold said she was "shocked to see that the darkest chapter of German history, the elimination
    of Jews, is completely missing". She also said that the time of eight years taken by Indian courts to deliver justice was "not acceptable". "We interacted with civil society people. They say daily life is difficult, and different. They claim that earlier
    there was not so much friction between Hindus and Muslims, but now there are ghettos and invisible borders. We are concerned about religious freedom and the rights of minorities here," Kober said.

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