Narasimha Rao performed puja during demolition of Babri Masjid

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    And the ghost of Babri again.

    Narasimha Rao performed puja during demolition of Babri Masjid: Book - The Times of India


    NEW DELHI: Yet another book has levelled an allegation that P V Narasimha Rao had connived at the demolition of Babri Masjid, claiming that the late Prime Minister had sat in a puja when the kar sevaks began pulling it down and rose only when it was over.

    The charge relating to the demolition on Dec 6, 1992 has been made by eminent journalist Kuldip Nayar in his soon-to-be released autobiography "Beyond the Lines" being brought out by Roli Books.

    "My information was that Rao had connived at the demolition. He sat at puja when the kar sevaks began pulling down the mosque and rose only when the last stone had been removed"

    "Madhu Limaye (late socialist leader) later told me that during the puja, Rao's aide whispered in his ears that the masjid had been demolished. Within seconds, the puja was over", he said in a chapter on "Narasimha Rao's Government" in the book.

    P V Ranga Rao, son of the late Prime Minister, however strongly dismissed the claim as "unbelievable and untenable".

    "It is unbelievable and untenable...There is no way father would have done so. He was in anguish when the Babri structure was demolished, for he loved Muslims for years and was their ardent supporter. He told us many times that it should not have happened", Rao said reacting to the reported claim of the late socialist leader Madhu Limaye.

    Regretting that an eminent journalist like Nayar could write such things, Ranga Rao said "vested interests" were trying to spew venom at his father, who is no more to defend himself.

    Nayar said that when there were riots in the wake of the demolition, Rao invited some senior journalists to his house.

    "He was at pains to explain to us how his government had made every arrangement to stop the demolition. Rao said he was betrayed by the UP chief minister Kalyan Singh".

    When asked how a small temple could have been erected overnight at the site when the Centre was at the helm of affairs having dismissed the Kalyan Singh government, Rao said he had attempted to send a contingent of CRPF by plane to Lucknow but they were unable to land because of bad weather.

    Besides, Nayar said Rao did not explain the "inaction" of Central forces in Ayodhya, but assured him that the temple would not be there "for long".

    "Rao's government will always be held responsible for the demolition of the Babri Masjid. The curious thing was that he was conscious of such an eventuality but did virtually nothing to avert it", Nayar said.

    Once earlier Rao invited senior journalists to acquaint them with the efforts his government was making to reach a settlement. When Nayar asked him which stage they had reached, Rao replied "somewhere," but "there was no serious edge to his voice".

    Nayar recalled that soon after, he witnessed the gathering of the storm with thousands of kar sevaks descending upon Ayodhya and the RSS and the BJP leaders converging on the city.

    Kalyan Singh, who was heading the BJP government in U P, made statements which indicated that he had no intention of protecting the Masjid, although the Supreme Court had ordered maintenance of status quo and his government had given an undertaking that it would do so.

    The climax came when the Masjid was demolished to the last stone on that fateful day by thousands of kar sevaks egged on by the BJP and RSS leadership. "It was daylight murder of secularism," Nayar writes.

    He also says that the Congress cauldron was boiling not because of the Masjid demolition, but because of internal conflicts. Sonia Gandhi never liked Narasimha Rao, particularly when he assumed leadership of both the Congress party and its government, Nayar says.

    She did not want to join issue with him, preferring to remain aloof from party matters. Even so, the infighting with the Congress and its shrinking space in the country bothered her.

    Many Congress leaders from the Centre and the states met her individually to appeal to her to lead the party. To them, she seemed the only person who represented the consensus in the party.

    Her gravest concern was that communal forces representing the BJP were claiming the political space. "The only occasion I spoke to her, she came across as a committed secularist, who firmly believed that pluralism was the bedrock of Indian society".

    Nayar says he could gauge that she was coming around to the view that she would have to join politics if she wanted to fight against communalism and that the only instrument she had for this was the Congress.
     
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    why we want t destroy today and future in the name of past .
     
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    Wow hearsay and rumors from a late leader to gather eyeballs. This is character assassination of the worst degree.

    But coming from Kuldip Nayar -- still a Pakistani at heart -- I'm not surprised.

    Anyway frankly not many now are apologetic about the bringing down of Babri -- that generation has passed away Mr.nayar -- A cursory glance at the comments section will show that ..
     
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    Great information!

    I am sure his source informed him that Giani Zail Singh was saying his Jupji Sahib when Indira Gandhi was being assassinated and only finished it when she was dead as a door knob!

    If Kuldip Nayar knew this to be true, then he should have mentioned it when Rao was alive. He was an editor and had access to the media. How come he did not do so then?

    If Arjun Singh comes (writes), can Kuldip Nayar be far behind?

    What was Limaye doing during the Puja. If he was there, should he not have left? Further, many Indians pray and South Indians are more devout in this and do so as routine. Sikhs say their japji shaeb. Though not a Sikh, my elder daughter says the Japji Sahib. I don't find any motives except spiritual in that. The Muslims say their Namaz. I have said the Namaz when I was with a Muslim majority Grenadier unit. To allude motive even if there is a coincidence of prayers with something odd, is rather underhand and deceitful.

    Gandhi was having sex when his father was dying. But it compounded his grief with guilt that he had not been present,

    So, things happen and things don't happen.

    Kuldip Nayar is as it is a Wagah candlelighter!

    He has not hesitated to write on Kashmir as if he was within the Inner Circle deciding its Fate!

    In his book 'The Night Shastri Died And Other Stories' he writes

    My impression is that had Pakistan been patient it would have got Kashmir automatically. India could not have conquered it, nor could a Hindu maharaja have ignored the composition of the population, which was predominantly Muslim. Instead, an impatient Pakistan sent tribesmen along with regular troops to Kashmir within days of independence.

    So, one can notice that he goes by 'impressions' and this time his source was Sheikh Abdullah, who was then the CM of Kashmir.

    AG Noorani, who has written much on the Partition and Jinnah has this to say:

    Noorani is an Indian journalist who has deep sympathy for Pakistan and JInnah. When he states that Patel was all for Kashmir with India, then obviously he would not be wrong.

    Further, Nayar mistakes the astuteness of Vallahbhai Patel of having the vision to ensure that nothing should look as if India 'captured by force' the Princely States and Shaighaied them into the Indian Union as an indication that he did not want Kashmir to be a part of India as explained below.

    In CHAPTER-VII THE INDIAN STATES AND SARDAR PATEL, the author writes:

    and yet in the same Chapter, the author goes on to write:

    Now, does it mean that Patel was against the Union of Kashmir to India?

    Kuldip Nayar is good at weaving filigreed cobwebs of incidents and gives it a twist to keep himself relevant.
     
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    Maligning a dead man who cannot defend himself - in bad taste. First Arjun Singh and now Kuldip Nayyar. Why were all these chaps silent for 20 odd years.
     
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    New information.
    But i am wondering why he keep it quite for 20years.
    It would be more meaningful if he say that when pv narsima rao alive.
    Pv narisma rao is dead now.
    So it is pointless now to argue about him.
    I have faith on judiciary.
    I beleive who are guily will be punished one day.
    Lets look for a new future and hope that another babri won't happen in india.
    I want to see a new happy dream
     
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    I would not blame journalists for pontificating, indulging in gossip and hearsay and dabbling in salacious drivel.

    It is a career that has no social security and is not highly paid either.

    Yet, on the other hand, those who do well rub shoulders with the high and mighty. This gives them the false air that they are the Almighty (remember that book and how news was manufactured). They think they are the Power behind the Power and they are the ones who can force the destiny of the Nation.

    And yet they find that they have feet of clay and are non entities in the actual sense.

    Therefore, to keep relevant, they pick up gossip, some unguarded statement of Leaders, cajole people for news bytes and note it in their notebooks and now on computer hard disks with exact time and place, so that one day, when things are not looking up, one can churn these and like casting the dice in a Ludo game, come up with some mind boggling sensational 'news' that is so mired in time that none have the time to unravel and the gullible buys it hook, line and sinker.
     
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    some one told me that this happen, other person is dead to accept or reject it, what is use of all this just to sell books............:frusty:
    these type of people abuse freedom of speech and expression and they quickly raise flags if govt ban books.........:desert:
    wont mind these type of people spanked good time. :kickass:
     
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    Narasimha performed a penance and not a pooja ! Nair saw it wrong !!
     
  11. its definitely wrong to trample on a dead man's grave . . .

    But This is isnt exactly New Information . . .

    These rumours have been doing rounds since 1992 itself . . .
    and i personally think they might even have some truth in them . . . .
    though there's no way to verify them now
    . . . so if he couldn't speak up when He was alive . . .he might have as well shut up now . . .

    Neways rumours are more powerful then unverifiable allegations .
     
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    It's not Nair...its Nayyar.

    Nair is from Kerala -- Nayyar is from Punjab

    :D
     
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    Having faith and seeing a conviction are not the same thing.

    Judiciary can only judge on facts given to them to judge on.

    Even if they know the reality, if the facts are not produced by the investigating authority and the facts are not placed correctly as arguments by the lawyers, the Judges are helpless.

    No Political chap can ever be booked.

    Heard of Mayawati, Mulayam and Laloo?

    Has anything happened?

    If any investigator gets too hot on the trail he is transferred.

    In the case of Laloo, the CBI has not been allowed to put up the case.

    Read how nothing comes out of a case against a politician.

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    Fodder Scam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Nayar was not there.

    He is the keyhole watcher and hearer.

    True to his form, he will keep you guessing.

    He is a Nayar.

    He is neither here nor there! ;)

    Nayyars are basically Khatris from the Sareen/ Sarin sub group!
     
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    Well, one has to sell books.
     
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    Heard of Mast Ram?

    I heard of this chap in the NDA,

    Under duress, I had to attend my senior's book reading sessions!

    I believe he is a best seller amongst adolescents. ;)
     
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    Isn't that make Kuldeep Nayyar and Madhu Limaye more culpable of crime for hiding such an important information from courts handling the babari masjid case for 20+ years.We can not punish PV narashimha rao now for his crime coz he is dead atleast we can punish above two gentle men for their crimes now and set an example that nobody dares to hide important information in future.

    CT is that after UP elections and failed economic policies of upa-2 ,the image of Gandhi family leadership (Sonia and rahul )along with PM Manmohan singh has taken sever beating.While news papers printing reams of it crediting PNVR with economic reform of 1991 and the leadership he provide to implement those even when his govt. was in minority and media comparing Mrs sonia's and Pm MMS confused leadership with PVNR's astute leadership thereby showing Gandhi family in bad light.Its been the case Kuldeep Nayyar may have been unleashed by the UPA-2 leadership to sully PVNR's name as they had unleashed shekhar gupta to sully Gen.VKS name by printing failed coup story.In todays's indian media everyone is sale-able and everyone has hie price tag.
     
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    Funny ajtr that you don't ask for evidence here.
     
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    Wow, How come if you are a Paki, you know so much about the Politics of India?:confused:
     
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