NAL Saras

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  1. kstriya

    kstriya Regular Member

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    I heaRd of a bigger or XL version of SARAS, when will that be tested and what are the military applications for such a aircraft.
     
  2. Pandora

    Pandora Regular Member

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    When whole world is making puller type prop, they gone for pusher type prop ..

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  3. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

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    I would like to see the Saras transformed into a close air support , forward air control and ground attack aircraft a bit like the A-10 of USA.

    It's internal passenger layout removed and all weapon and ammunition loaded with goodies.

    It's speed and design is ideal. Would be fantastic if such modifications are done and tested.
     
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  4. charlie

    charlie Regular Member

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    And i want to see Tejas as an aircraft carrier, it's fuselage stretched and wings extended, so that from one wing fighter can take off and on other wing fighters can land.
     
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  5. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

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    are you saying that it is not possible.

    i refer to a platform where there is a shared set of common design, engineering, and production efforts, as well as major components over a number of outwardly distinct models.

    but my linkage is also beyond platform mechanics and its viability and resurgence and resurrection as well as renaissance that needs to utilise various motivations and intentions that link with aspects for the nation.

    i respect your opinions and way you do it.

    have a good day.
     
  6. abingdonboy

    abingdonboy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Why are so many fixated with CAS aircraft? India has NO requirements for such assets, the IAF and IA have rejected every opportunity for them.
     
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    For shorter routes, propellers are efficient. Best suited for testing new aircrafts.
    In future the propellers will be replaced with turbofan engines.

    Just look at the Embraer.

    Old Embraer/FMA CBA 123 Vector
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    new Embraer 145
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  8. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

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    close air support , forward air control and ground attack aircraft with emphasis on the latter. Saras has attributes that are exemplary for instance short take off and speed and range.

    I am seeing progressive action in areas of helicopter, missiles and even uavs ...

    [​IMG]

    (Rudra Developed from Dhruv platform)
     
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  9. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    If you cannot hold your frustration or whatever troubling you for whatever reasons, Best take your time off from Internet ..

     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    You have HTT-40 for such task

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    An armed version is planned officially ..


     
  11. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Airborne reconnaissance, intelligence, surveillance, and target acquisition aircraft :

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    It can be utalised as RISTA platform besides light transport and business platform in commercial market ..

    The photo above is from 2007, The new design will be different and may feature jets as India have its own jet engine to power small business jets ..

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  12. Compersion

    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

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    I really appreciate the information and knowledge you have shared as well as the way you do such - Fascinating insights makes me want to read more.

    Your single "like" is worth above many. Please keep up the good work Jai Hind.
     
  13. Cutting Edge 2

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    Revived Saras likely to complete first flight in June
    May 11, 2017, 12.30 AM IST

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    Bengaluru: The re-engined and modified version of India's ambitious 14-seater Saras aircraft is gearing up for its first flight in June first week.

    Having received a thrust from the government under the regional connectivity policy, Bengaluru-based National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL) has handed over the aircraft to Indian Air Force's (IAF) Aircraft and Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) for test flights.

    First conceived as a civil aircraft, NAL has been pushing Saras for military certification in the past two years, hoping to sell it to the Indian Air Force (IAF). Saras will now boast of multi-role capabilities like feeder line aircraft, air ambulance, executive aircraft, troop transport, reconnaissance, aerial survey and light cargo transport.

    The original design included a maximum takeoff weight of 6,100kg and a maximum payload of 1,232kg. The first prototype which completed its maiden flight on May 29, 2004, was overweight at 5,118kg compared to the 4,125kg design specifications.

    Even as modifications to make the aircraft airworthy were taken up, the June 6, 2009 crash forced the Directorate General of Civil Aviation to ground the aircraft. The prototype crashed after catching fire in Sheshagiri Halli, near Bidadi, about 30km from Bengaluru. It claimed the lives of three ASTE pilots.

    NAL Director Jitendra J Jadhav told TOI on Monday: "The engine tests have already begun. The low-speed taxi and high-speed taxi trials are expected to be completed by the end of this month. After that, the ASTE will do the first flight most probably in the first week of June."

    Sources in ASTE, while stating that the completion of the ground tests is followed by a flight, however, said: "We will need to get the go-ahead from the safety review board and the first flight review board."

    According to NAL, manufacturing of two Limited Series Prototypes of Saras will require Rs 400 crore to Rs 500 crore. "The final product will be taken care of by the IAF, but we will need this amount for the prototypes," Jadhav said.

    In February, Union science and technology minister Harsh Vardhan and Jadhav made a joint announcement that a new version of Saras would be converted into a 19-seater aircraft.

    Harsh Vardhan promised NAL complete support, including any financial requirement. Jadhav said on Monday: "A proposal has been sent to our (Council of Scientific and Industrial Research) headquarters and a feasibility study is complete."
    The new proposal will see Saras with a configurable configuration. While the design is for a 14-seater plane, it can be configured to accommodate 19 persons.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...first-flight-in-june/articleshow/58617263.cms
     
  14. HariPrasad-1

    HariPrasad-1 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Design 50 seaters and 100 seaters also. we need this on urgent basis.
     
  15. aditya10r

    aditya10r Mera Bharat mahan Senior Member

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    Once we have a 100 seater cargo aircraft,we might never need c-130 or uac/hal cargo jet....................
     
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    Sukhoi has offered a 100 seaters to be made in India in collaboration with Indian company. Just grab the opportunity I will say. We must partner with japan in this area. We can mutually benefit like anything.
     
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  17. aditya10r

    aditya10r Mera Bharat mahan Senior Member

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    We can get a lot from japan,their f-16 was the first fighter aircraft to have an active aesa,soryu class is one of the best submarines,Kyga and izumo are great ships..................

    But only problem is its reluctance
     
  18. Cutting Edge 2

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    Saras isn't the only aircraft that has been revived.

    NAL to revive SARAS, two other civil passenger aircraft
    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/sars/article9547354.ece

    HAL/NAL Regional Transport Aircraft with a capacity of 70-100 passengers has been also revived under Modi gov.

    RTA Render
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    There are reports of developing this aircraft in both turboprop and turbofan configs.
     
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    aditya10r Mera Bharat mahan Senior Member

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    Then please make an aircraft that can carry upto 20 tonnes of cargo and at least 100 soldiers.............
    :lehappy::lehappy::lehappy::lehappy::lehappy::lehappy:
     
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    China has mainly state run carriers which almost forced Airbus/Boeing to come and manufacture in China due to gigantic order book.This helped them kickstart their C919 passenger jet program and they can force state-owned carriers to buy it in thousands,enough to sustain and fund further R&D.
    Ours are mostly private and cannot be forced to buy Saras or other domestic programs due to WTO rules
     
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