Nagaland may get separate flag as part of final accord with Centre

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  1. Nuvneet Kundu

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    Nagaland may be given a separate official flag under the final accord expected to be signed soon by the Union government and the National Socialist Council of Nagalim (Isak-Muivah), sources said.

    The issue of giving the northeastern state its own flag is almost decided, the sources familiar with developments in the ongoing negotiations told HT.

    A separate flag is one of 33 demands made by the NSCN-IM, which has been engaged in talks with the central government since a truce was finalised in 1997. The NSCN-IM’s demand for a separate currency has been ruled out.

    VS Atem, an emissary of the NSCN-IM’s central leadership and a key figure in the talks, had told HT earlier: “If Kashmir can have a separate flag, why not Nagas? China also has separate flags for Macau, Hong Kong and Taiwan.”

    Other demands include a separate constitution, dual citizenship and the creation of “Nagalim” by integrating all Naga-inhabited areas of Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur and Nagaland, but the last demand is expected to be put on the “backburner for now” because of opposition from the other states.

    Under the final agreement, certain items are expected to be transferred from the Central and Concurrent list of the Constitution to the State list, which would imply greater powers for Nagaland.

    The peace accord is expected to figure in the forthcoming budget session of Parliament as the document will have a few clauses requiring parliamentary sanction. They include the concept of “shared sovereignty”, special constitutional privileges to safeguard the traditional rights of Nagas with recognition of the “uniqueness of their history”.

    The central government and the NSCN-IM inked a “framework agreement” in August last year to pave the way for a final accord to end one of the longest running insurgencies in Asia.

    Nagaland is presently governed under Article 371 A of the Constitution, which confers the right over land and resources to the Nagas.

    The negotiations have been a closely guarded secret since August 3, 2015, when the Prime Minister and top government officials invited the NSCN-IM leadership for a hastily convened function to unveil a framework for the impending agreement.

    According to sources, even the home ministry and the Intelligence Bureau are not privy to the discussions, with the National Security Council assuming a vital role that is steered by National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and Joint Intelligence Committee chief RN Ravi.

    Ravi is the interlocutor for the talks and is learnt to have been making frequent trips to Nagaland, Manipur, Arunachal Pradesh and Assam to hasten an early resolution.

    The Naga insurgency – with independence as the main demand – is more than six decades old. While government figures say about 3,000 have died in the conflict, unofficial figures put the toll at about 50,000.

    There are three major Naga insurgent groups – NSCN-IM, NSCN (Khaplang) and NSCN (Unification) – with about 4,500, 2,500 and 1,000 armed guerrillas respectively.

    Link : http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...with-centre/story-gtaBiSGy262efMkz4qToaI.html
     
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    There're rules for display of flags of Macao and Hong Kong. The National Flag shall be flown in a prominent position. For example, the PRC flag would be flown above and placed to the centre of the HKSAR flag.

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    In addition, the following rules apply:

    1. The PRC flag is larger than the HKSAR flag
    2. The PRC flag is raised first when both flags are raised
    3. The PRC flag is always flown on the right of the HKSAR flag.
    4. The PRC flag is found to the right of the speaker while the HKSAR flag is on the left
    5. The PRC flag is placed to the viewer's right when outside, determined by a person standing in front of the building and looking towards the front entrance of the building.

    Dual citizenship allowed but not a "separate" constitution.
     
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    Some of their demands are justified as they don't want any filthy Bangladeshi or Assam Musalman in the Naga inhabited area thus demanding greater autonomy to deal with Bangladeshi filth.

    Now peace has been established in Nagaland next issue is to effectively seal the Indo Bangladesh border and shoot every illegal Felani in the Head.
     
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    The first positive step is integration of the local population with the mainstream. Once the sub-nationalism dies down to a certain level and Indian Identity takes precedence, we can do away with "special arrangements" once for all.
     
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    21st PARA raid inside Myanmar also played a major role here, this unprecedented strike created a terror in the minds of Naga separatist and forced them into submission, had they didn't signed the accord their entire cadre of 2000 ~ would've been wiped out by Army.

    A org. Which lost 70 cadre in single raid including close relatives of Khaplang was big enough reason and a signal that India is no longer a pacifist under NSA Doval.
     
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    India has made her approach clear. Window for talks and negotiations has been closed, India will not allow any group to join in the peace process which hasn't joined already. Those who are not part of the current "peace processes" will face the wrath of the Indian State. They will be eliminated through use of force.
     
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    This should be formal official policy, if they think they can kill Indians and hide inside Myanmar and Bangladesh then they are wrong, we should also conduct Air strike inside Bangladesh and Myanmar (if they don't cooperate and shelter terrorists).

    As for Pakistan,since Surgical and Air strike are not effective to completely weed out terrorist due to 1/4 Pakis are terrorists, Indian state should do proxy war against Pak.

    I would also like to suggest unprecedented and unconventional use of force in Kashmir which means Air strikes in terrorist villages, shoot on sight anyone who is spotted with Pak and IS flag,destruction of Mosques and Madarsah which preach terrorism against Indian state,Autonomous region for native Kashmir pandits like north eastern states.

    We should learn this from Russia, what they did with Chechens and What Israel do with Palestinians.
     
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    I'm seriously confused why RAW is not doing covert ops and destroying terrorist training zones and hubs in POK & even in Pak ?? Is it too hard for us to show these filth their place ? Or we are not doing it purposefully ??
     
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    As our resident RAW experts will say--if you get to know it than RAW is not doing its job well!!

    Trust Moodiji as you say!!
     
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    Since nagas are christians hence 'secular' they should change their name since it offends niggers. ;D
     
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    Those targets are so close that even our artillery can hit them. I have no idea why we aren't retaliating strongly. BJP lost Bihar election, now there is no major election that are going to win, neither Bengal nor Kerala, so it's best for them to concentrate on national security instead of obsessing over elections.
     
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    That is good for elections as well. They do not get muzzie votes anyway!!
     
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    The BJP does not seem to understand that. Even during J&K elections they diluted their outreach rhetoric hoping that they would win more muslim votes and in the process they lost Ladakh. The trick is to buy out local muslim independents and let them run their own campaign (Sajjad Lone type people). Best case scenario you will win, worst case scenario you will put a dent in their vote bank. BJP should stop dreaming of muslim votes. But every now and then when BJP comes to power somehow this idea gets into their head that they have conquered Hindus now they can woo muslims, so they start becoming sickular. Even Advani went to praise Jinnah. BJP must know that Hindus cannot be taken for granted. I am glad they lost Delhi and Bihar. Address the concerns of those who have voted you instead of obsessing with winning more and more states.

    They have done nothing to rehabilitate Kashmir Pandits, on the contrary Maha-booba is imposing conditions on the BJP.
     
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    If that was so easy Paki Army would've wiped out terrorism by their JF 17 and Al Khalid so how can RAW can accomplish this.

    Unlike Myanmar,paki terrorist shithole has thousands of terror camps/madarsah in every provinces. So IMO our approach should be Proxy war which is exactly what is going on by financing Baloch and TTP (allegedly), they are good terrorists for us.

    Pakis are already running Shit scared of Manohar Parrikar remarks and Indian consulates in Afghanistan.
     
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    I was not talking about Pakis but villages in Indian Kashmir, It would be a great deterrent and create a psychological horror in terrorist kashmiris.
     
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    Well for now RAW is only gathering intel ,covert ops need nood from PM and since the peace talks are on so they are out of the picture.
     
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    In that case our artillery can hit them even more easily.
     
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    Army is doing completely opposite of what we are discussing right now, army used to be very brutal on kashmiris earlier but now they have started doing things like operation satbhavna where they help kashmiris.
     
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    This is because only 300 ~ active terrorists in kashmir (official figures of 2015), kashmiris Pissed blood by hearing Army's name in 90s, the average jawan lived a kings life during that time - sporting beard, wearing Kashmiri feran,forced villagers to cook Chicken for R R Ambush teams and having sex with Kashmiri Girls at will (now they call it rape) without fearing court Martial.

    In 90s and early 2000s there were thousands of active terrorist thus crack down was also brutal besides Human right activists, Courts and media is overly active in covering human right violations in this age.

    Fencing the border has also reduced the infiltration.
     
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    We all know that if you show sadbhavna to snakes then they grow more poisonous. As per me, the litmus test for covert actions is whether Pakistan is whining about it or not. During border firing incidents I heard we fired 20,000 mortars, destroyed 45 of their bunkers and displaced thousands of civilians. I had the link of the Paki officer barking on some Al Jazeera channel. I am trying to find that link right now.
     
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