Nag anti-tank Missile

[HariPrasad-1]

army bought 8000+ spike missiles from Israel , what is the difference between that spike , helina & nag ??

Size and top capability and weight is certainly the difference. There may be some more also.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

By using them against entire formations what I mean is that a lot of NAMICAS can be used in a battlefield you can't do that with a shoulder fired missile system can you?

With loiter (shoot, observe and update, type) models, we can fire as many shoulder fired missiles in a sort of salvo mode.

Size and top capability and weight is certainly the difference. There may be some more also.

Both Spike and Nag have been commissioned for different roles. The Spike is light weight, man portable, but less powerful than the Nag. The Nag is more powerful but heavy, so it will be mounted on BMPs and older T72 tank chasis. Helinag is more powerful, has a longer range than Nag and Spike, and will be used against hardened targets, perhaps like bunkers. They all have a unique role to play. Helina will perform the role that Hellfire does for the US, Nag will perform the role that US TOW missile does, Spike will do the job that the Javelin does. They will act against heavily armored vehicles (and bunkers), armored vehicles and semi-armored vehicles (APC), it seems.

 

[navkapu]

Nag Warhead is 8KG Spike Missile 14 KG in total you can understand why comparison should not be drawn.

Spike had problems as well in Peak Summers.

 

[warrior monk]

What is the news of CLGM? It had some successful tests and it was to be used in Arjun and T 90 in place of israeli missile? What is the status of development?

Yes it has been tested and it was supposed to replace LAHAT , that's why LAHAT deal was cancelled don't know its status for induction though.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Nag Warhead is 8KG Spike Missile 14 KG in total you can understand why comparison should not be drawn.

Spike had problems as well in Peak Summers.

Whether it is spike or javelin, they can not lock on to any target beyond 2.5 KM. Nag is planned to be used for 4 KM in summer in rajasthan desert and it can target upto 6 km on indo china borders of Himalayas.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

Whether it is spike or javelin, they can not lock on to any target beyond 2.5 KM. Nag is planned to be used for 4 KM in summer in rajasthan desert and it can target upto 6 km on indo china borders of Himalayas.

Is this extended range a resultant of superior electronics or simply due to firing it from a higher elevation?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Is this extended range a resultant of superior electronics or simply due to firing it from a higher elevation?

Spike and javelin has limited range not because of any limitation of Motors but due to limited lock on capability of seeker. Nag missile is big and broad so it can accommodate bigger seeker so detection range is high. It is because of the size of missile and nothing else.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

Spike and javelin has limited range not because of any limitation of Motors but due to limited lock on capability of seeker. Nag missile is big and broad so it can accommodate bigger seeker so detection range is high. It is because of the size of missile and nothing else.

Thanks for the information. Btw, what kind of warhead does TOW missile use? I see it exploded above the tank, and doesn't crash into the tank like other missiles do. How does this work? Even powerful airforce missiles try to hit the target but here it seems they are deliberately programming the warhead to explode at a distance above the tank.

 

[Chinmoy]

Is this extended range a resultant of superior electronics or simply due to firing it from a higher elevation?

Spike and Javelin are MANPAD whereas NAG is platform based. Its range is due to its fuel it carries. Moreover the launching mechanism is the reason because of which Javelin and SPIKE does have short range then NAG.

 

[Chinmoy]

Thanks for the information. Btw, what kind of warhead does TOW missile use? I see it exploded above the tank, and doesn't crash into the tank like other missiles do. How does this work? Even powerful airforce missiles try to hit the target but here it seems they are deliberately programming the warhead to explode at a distance above the tank.

This has been possible in TOW due to the connecting OFC link. Same concept is been developed recently for wireless link by SAAB as far as I know. But details are waited. It does have a shaped charge behind its nose cone in its belly unlike other missiles which does have it in its nose cone. A forward faced seeker scan for the target and once a lock is obtained, it maneuvers itself to its top. Once its on top of its target the shaped charge, which lies in its belly behind the nose cone and seeker, gets activated and it blast through the weak top spot of the Tank or vehicle.
The main advantage of this maneuver is that it doesn't have to go through the complex maneuver of flying at an angle to achieve the top attack angle of Javelin and Spike which make them a bit prone to Anti ATGM systems like Iron fist.

 

[Chinmoy]

Is this extended range a resultant of superior electronics or simply due to firing it from a higher elevation?

Spike and Javelin are MANPAD whereas NAG is platform based. Its range is due to its fuel it carries. Moreover the launching mechanism is the reason because of which Javelin and SPIKE does have short range then NAG.

 

[ash2win]

I am more interested in Helina 2 development which was mentioned in last aero india.
It will be our competitor to brimstone and JAGM of US.

 

[abingdonboy]

Mount this on a better chassis (Arjun/Kestral/FICV) and you've got a winner.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

A Lot better design, Arjun is not amphibious and Kestral is not tracked, FICV is far away ..

The system is being modified to adapt BMP chassis ' specifically ' ..

Mount this on a better chassis (Arjun/Kestral/FICV) and you've got a winner.

 

[Hari Sud]

What is wrong with that Chasis?

 

[garg_bharat]

Mount this on a better chassis (Arjun/Kestral/FICV) and you've got a winner.

There is nothing wrong with this vehicle.

 

[garg_bharat]

Yemen/Houthis are destroying American M1 tanks with Iranian supplied anti-tank missiles (most likely of Chinese origin/design).

Arjun tank is not protected by God. There is no tank design which is 100% protected from missiles/shell, leave aside an FiCV.

 

[garg_bharat]

If Indian army is waiting for some divine weapons, then it will be a very long wait. Everybody works with improving designs that they already have in production.

 

[abingdonboy]

A Lot better design, Arjun is not amphibious and Kestral is not tracked, FICV is far away ..

The system is being modified to adapt BMP chassis ' specifically ' ..

The "amphibious" requirement is rather pointless IMO because the NAMICA is meant to go with the armoured columns is it not? And they are made up of T-90/Arjun MBTs which aren't amphibious either so NAMICAs are hardly going to go alone, they will stick with the rest of the armoured columns. Addtionally, I've never bought the need for ampibious vehicle for the IA (aside from the specifc amphibious brigade meant to operate from IN landing vessels).

The logic, we are told, is that they will be used to cross rivers in Pakistani Punjab, has this ever seemed like a sensible idea to anyone? As I have said, the MBTs are not amphibious so are the IFVs going to go ahead of the MBTs in direct contradiction of all established blitzkreig tactics? And not only that but do you know how slowly those BMPs would be when crossing a water body? Painfully slowly. All whilst being an easy target for the enemy.

All that you need to negate this is to have BTTs as part of the IBGs (which is what I understand is the point of the IBG- to be a fully self contained fighting force).

Alas, I don't buy that this system can't be put onto another platform, it simply doesn't make sense to have designed it only to be able to fit onto a BMP, if it can fit on there it can fit on almost anything. The system will be modular and it won't be difficult to mate it to a new, more powerful and protected, chassis.


It doesn't matter if the new chassis would be heavier than the BMP (almost anything these days would be) as the NAMICA only needs to be able to keep up with the slowest/heaviest MBT- that is the entire logic behind the IBGs and CSD. There is no point in looking at this system/vehicle in isolation but have to understand how it fits operationally into the IA. It will never be operating independantly.

What is wrong with that Chasis?

There is nothing wrong with this vehicle.

Everyone knows the BMP suffers from survivability issues- it is incredibly thin skinned and ill-suited for modern warefare. The only saving grace is that Pakistan is a rather weak enemy but give them another 10 years and the BMP will be inferior by their standards. This is a >40 year old design, of course it is not going to be as good as its contemporaries.

Against any other enemy the BMPs would be liabilites today, they are death traps.

If Indian army is waiting for some divine weapons, then it will be a very long wait. Everybody works with improving designs that they already have in production.

I'm not saying don't induct it as is. Do but when better options present themselves transfer the turrets over to them.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

If Indian army is waiting for some divine weapons, then it will be a very long wait. Everybody works with improving designs that they already have in production.

We have 2 devive weapons. Brahmos and LRSAM.