Mystery plane near Mumbai

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Mystery plane gives jitters to international airliners near Mumbai

India's dangerous western neighbourhood that is
kept under aerial surveillance by military planes of global
superpowers gave the jitters to some international commercial
flights flying over the Arabian Sea about 450 to 480km from
Mumbai's coastline early on Saturday morning.



An Etihad aircraft winging its way from Abu Dhabi to the Far
East had its traffic collision avoidance system (TCAS) alarm
going off loudly in the cockpit at 6.54am (IST), indicating that
another aircraft had got dangerously close to it by breaching the
minimum 1,000 feet of vertical separation that has to be
maintained for safety.

Some other international airlines flying near Mumbai on
Saturday morning also reportedly had their TCAS buzzing. The
warning came when the aircraft — not originating from or
destined for Mumbai — were on aerial route P-574 between the
reporting points Bodik and Adpap over the Arabian Sea and
flying at 36,500 feet, said sources.

"The indication Etihad aircraft got was of an unidentified plane
flying just 500 feet below it. It immediately reported this to the
Mumbai air traffic control (ATC), which had no such plane on its
radar nor had any information of another aircraft being supposed
to be so close below the Etihad flight," said a senior official.

Luckily for Etihad and other airliners which had their collision
alarms ringing, said sources, the breach of vertical separation
(500 feet) was not serious enough to lead to the triggering off of
their "resolutionary advisory" in which an automatic message is
generated for pilots to immediately change course to avoid
collision.

The Mumbai ATC have reported the matter to the directorate
general of civil aviation (DGCA), which is now investigating this
case as the credentials of the unidentified plane are unlikely to
be ever known.

However, sources said the unidentified plane could have
belonged to the US Air Force, and it was not on any civil or
military radar. The US uses the Diego Garcia islands in the south
Indian Ocean as its air force base for keeping an eye on India's
troubled western neighborhood. Reconnaissance missions and
military exercises are mounted from these islands, they said.

"Military and government planes on sensitive or classified
missions like reconnaissance do not file their flight plans with
ATCs of the regions they will be flying over. Such planes fly with
'due regard' to civil air traffic using visual flight rules, which
basically mean they just see and fly," said sources. But
breaches of the 'minimum distance for vertical separation' in
areas swarming with such aircraft can be a hazard for
commercial traffic.

Since the warning came from planes flying at 36,500 feet,
chances are the unidentified aircraft was on a reconnaissance
flight as fighter jets don't fly that high.

Mystery plane gives jitters to international airliners near Mumbai - TOI Mobile | The Times of India Mobile Site
 

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1. Picture Looks like P3 where America uses lot more for Coastal Surveillance ( image not visible here. Some one Repost it please or goto the link to see )

2. Indian C 130 too had similar Size and Shape of P3 even Their Turboprop Engines

3. Why the ATS Radar Failed to Track a massive Plane like that

4. Why don't our Mumbai Naval air station didn't aware of such Incursion

5. Why IAF didn't send Interceptor
 

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1. Picture Looks like P3 where America uses lot more for Coastal Surveillance ( image not visible here. Some one Repost it please or goto the link to see )

2. Indian C 130 too had similar Size and Shape of P3 even Their Turboprop Engines

3. Why the ATS Radar Failed to Track a massive Plane like that

4. Why don't our Mumbai Naval air station didn't aware of such Incursion

5. Why IAF didn't send Interceptor
what if it was Indian? may be from ARC
 
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It would be on the military radars.

If it was unidentified/ hostile, then aircraft would have been scrambled.

Therefore, it appears to be own military plane or authorised foreign aircraft given military clearance not requiring it to be informed to civil ATC for reasons best known to the authorities.

One would recall that there was a near miss over Chandigarh since the military aircraft was not required to be notified to the ATC for some reason or the other.
 

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1. Picture Looks like P3 where America uses lot more for Coastal Surveillance ( image not visible here. Some one Repost it please or goto the link to see )

2. Indian C 130 too had similar Size and Shape of P3 even Their Turboprop Engines

3. Why the ATS Radar Failed to Track a massive Plane like that

4. Why don't our Mumbai Naval air station didn't aware of such Incursion

5. Why IAF didn't send Interceptor
That picture is reflection of Royal New Zealand PC3 Orion searching for MH370.
 

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Point is who managed to click that picture.... looks to me ToI put in that pic for illustrative purpose
 

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3. Why the ATS Radar Failed to Track a massive Plane like that
mystery plane must be flying in shadow of another plane to avoid radars,

An Etihad aircraft had its collision alarm going off loudly in the cockpit, some 450km from Mumbai, warning that an unidentified plane was just 500ft away,

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"The indication Etihad aircraft got was of an unidentified plane flying just 500 feet below it. It immediately reported this to the Mumbai air traffic control (ATC), which had no such plane on its radar nor had any information of another aircraft being supposed to be so close below the Etihad flight," said a senior official.
 

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Did this happen in Indian Airspace ?
500 ft below another commercial plane seems as a deliberate attempt to hide itself from the radar .
US had a habit of doing this in Cold War...
 

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If commercial airlines was able to pick it up on its systems (automatic) that it was 500 ft away and alarms went off that means that it would be able to be picked up on land radar. Also for tcas (I might be wrong) for that to work both planes need to have that install and the software and hardware interacts with one another and commands the pilot to behave accordingly.

Unless it was visually observed and pilots sounded alarm (screams) and it was a visual recognition by the commercial airliner that would be a different story and one can say it wasn't pick up by land radar. But in most probability india knows what it was and probably civil ATC did not have jurisdiction over it and did not require others to change course.

I really feel that aircraft safety needs more advancement, for example engineers can develop ejections seats for fighter jets why not have safety mechanism for commercial airlines, it is not about cost but about direction. For example if a airline engine fails at this moment it is the skill of the pilot but why not have the plane make a safe landing automatically using some safety mechanism (like parachutes, gliding apparatus, to even large cabin ejections like airforce one movie)
 

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And we are suppose to believe that these inefficient people are gonna stop in coming ballistic missiles travelling at hyper sonic speed. Every Gov. department is just equally incapable and useless. Whether it is municipal corporation or Indian defence. May be we have to privatise our forces too :shocked: Such a big fat turbo prop did not fall in our radar.Oh I forgot Indian forces keep their radar shut down to save power(as per previous IAF revelation). Not bad indeed. Hopefully one such rogue plane will soon hit one of the nuke facilities and cause death for thousands of people to wake us up. After all we have 1.2 billion worthless Indians , lets use them up.
 
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