My name is Kaul not Khan

Discussion in 'Politics & Society' started by GPM, Apr 28, 2011.

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Will a movie "My name is Kaul" ever be made"

  1. What is a Kaul, Khan is OK

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  2. A Movie about Kauls (Hindus)? Are you nuts?

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  3. No, it will be a FLOP

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  4. It would be banned

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  5. Saffron agenda

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  1. GPM

    GPM Tihar Jail Banned

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    I am not Khan. My name bears a different set of four letters: K A U L. Kaul. As those who know Indian names would understand I happened to be born in a family which was called Hindu by others. Hence, we were sure, we would never get a friend like KJ to make a movie on our humiliations, and the contemptuous and forced exile from our homeland. It's not fashionable. It's fashionable to get a Khan as a friend and portray his agony and pains and sufferings when he is asked by a US private to take off his shoes and show his socks. Natural and quite justifiable that Khan must feel insulted and enraged. Enough Masala to make a movie.



    But unfortunately I am a Kaul. I am not a Khan.



    Hence when my sisters and mothers were raped and killed, when six-year-old Seema was witness to the brutal slaughtering of her brother, mother and father with a butcher's knife by a Khan, nobody ever came to make a movie on my agony, pain and anguish, and tears.



    No KJ would make a movie on Kashmiri Hindus. Because we are not Khans. We are Kauls.

    When we look at our own selves as Kauls, we also see a macabre dance of leaders who people Parliament. Some of them were really concerned about us. They got the bungalows and acres of greenery and had their portraits were worshipped by the gullible devotees of patriotism.



    They made reservations in schools and colleges for us. In many many other states. But never did they try that we go back to our homes. They have other priorities and 'love your jihadi neighborhood' programmes. They get flabbier and flabbier with the passing of each year, sit on sacks of sermons; issue instructions to live simply and follow moral principles delivered by ancestors and kept in documents treated with time-tested preservatives.



    They could play with me because my name is Kaul. And not Mr Khan. I saw the trailer to this fabulous movie, which must do good business at the box office.



    There was not even a hint that terror is bad and it is worse if it is perpetuated in the name of a religion that means Peace. Peace be upon all its followers and all other the creatures too.



    So you make a movie on the humiliation of taking off shoes to a foreign police force which has decided not to allow another 9/11.



    The humiliation of taking off the shoes and the urge to show that you are innocent is really too deep. But what about the humiliation of leaving your home and hearth and the world and the relatives and wife and mother and father? And being forced to live in shabby tents, at the mercy of nincompoop leaders encashing your misery and bribe-seeking babus? And seeing your daughters growing up too sudden and finding no place to hide your shame?



    No KJ would ever come forward to make a movie, a telling, spine-chilling narration on the celluloid, of five-year-old Seema, who saw her parents and brother being slaughtered by a butcher's knife in Doda. Because her dad was not Mr Khan. He was one Mr Kaul.



    Sorry, Mr Kaul and your entire ilk. I can't help you.



    It's not fashionable to side with those who are Kauls. And Rainas. And Bhatts. Dismissively called KPs. KPs means Kashmiri Pandits. They are a bunch of communalists. They were the agents of one Mr Jagmohan who planned their exodus so that Khans can be blamed falsely. In fact, a movie can be made on how these KPs conspired their own exile to give a bad name to the loving and affectionate Khan brothers of the valley.



    To voice the woes of Kauls is sinful. The right course to get counted in the lists of the Prime Minister's banquets and the President's parties is to announce from the roof top: hey, men and ladies, I am Mr Khan.



    The biggest apartheid the state observes is to exclude those who cry for Kauls, wear the colours of Ayodhya, love the wisdom of the civilisational heritage, dare to assert as Hindus in a land which is known as Hindustan too and struggle to live with dignity as Kauls. They are out and exiled. You can see any list of honours and invites to summits and late-evening gala parties to toast a new brand. All that the Kauls are allowed is a space at Jantar Mantar: shout, weep and go back to your tents after a tiring demonstration. Mr Kaul, you have got a wrong name.



    A dozen KJs would fly to take you atop the glory - posts and gardens of sympathies if you accept to wear a Khan name and love a Sunita, Pranita, Komal or a Kamini. Well, here you have a sweetheart in Mandira. That goes well with the story.



    And you pegged the movie plot on autism.



    I wept. It was too much. I wept as a father of a son who needed a story as an Indian. Who cares for his autistic son, his relationship with the western world, his love affair with a young sweet something as a human, as someone whose heart goes beyond being a Hindu, a Muslim or a proselytizing Vatican-centric aggressive soul. Not the one who would declare in newspaper interviews: "I think I am an ambassador for Islam". Shah Rukh is Shah Rukh, not because he is an ambassador for Islam. If that was true, he could have found a room in Deoband. Fine enough. But he became a heartthrob and a famousl star because he is a great actor. He owes everything he has to Indians and not just to Muslims. We love him not because he is some Mr Khan. We love him because he has portrayed the dreams, aspirations, pains, anguish and ups and downs of our daily life. As an Indian. As one of us.



    If he wants to use our goodwill and love for strengthening his image as an ambassador for Islam, will we have to think to put up an ambassador for Hindus? That, at least to me, would be unacceptable because I trust everyone: a Khan or a Kaul or a Singh or a Victor. Who represents India represents us all too, including Hindus. My best ambassadorship would be an ambassadorship for the tricolour and not for anything else because I see my Ram and Dharma in that. I don't think even an Amitabh or a Hritik would ever think in terms Shah Rukh has chosen for himself. But shouldn't these big, tall, successful Indians who wear Hindu names make a movie on why Kauls were ousted? Why Godhra occurred in the first place? Why nobody, yes, not a single Muslim, comes forward to take up the cause of the exiled and killed and contemptuously marginalized Kauls whereas every Muslim complainant would have essentially a Hindu advocate to take on Hindus as fiercely as he can?



    If you are Mr Khan and found dead on the railway tracks, the entire nation would be shaken. And he was also a Rizwan. May be just a coincidence that our Mr Khan in the movie is also a Rizwan.


    Rizwan's death saw the police commissioner punished and cover stories written by missionary writers. But if you are a Sharma or a Kaul and happened to love an Ameena Yusuf in Srinagar, you would soon find your corpse inside the police thana and NONE, not even a small-time local paper would find it worthwhile to waste a column on you. No police constable would be asked to explain how a wrongly detained person was found dead in police custody?



    Because the lover found dead inside a police thana was not Mr Khan. No KJ would ever come forward to make a movie on 'My name is Kaul. And I am terror-struck by Khans'.



    Give me back my identity as an Indian, Mr. Khan and I would have no problem even wearing your name and appreciating the tender love of an autistic son.
     
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  3. GPM

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    When a muslim Indian was arrested in Autralia, our H'ble [sic] PM could not sleep. Yet he slept very soundly when Indian ambassador, a woman, was strip searched in USA.
     
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    My Name is Kaul?

    Is that what it has come down to? The petty mindedness which exists among a lot of people.

    Where was the question of "My Name is Kaul" before "My Name is Khan" was conceived? Wonder if the thought never crossed, or is it simply envious ill conceived thoughts about the other?

    It is good that the Khans have got their movie!

    Now, let us have the My Name is Kaul, or My Name is Singh get their light too; it surely does not have to be at the expense of another community.


    GoI has rightly come out strongly for the defence of all of its citizens, be it the students racially attacked in Australia, the turban ban in France, or the death sentences handed to the dozen or so Indians in UAE.

    The frisking of Indian diplomats at US airports too has caused diplomatic rows between the two countries. Ofcourse, it is totally a different matter, when you carry an agenda, and quite blatantly lie about a woman Indian ambassador being strip searched. Any reference to support your accusation?
     
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    The question was there, worded differently. Do the Kauls have a listener, did they ever had a listener? Why was Kham movie made, but not Kaul? Come on, search your hearts.

    The poll gives you Hobson's choice. Kauls do not have even that. Is talking about Kauls and contrasting them Khans pettymindedness? You make out as if the ethnic cleansing of Kauls was a big mindedness!! Is it??
     
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    Fact check:
    • Sheikh Abdullah, Dr. Farooq Abdullah and Omar Abdullah are Kaul too.
    • Genghis Khan was a Khan, probably the first most popular Khan, and was not a Muslim.
     
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    How you portrayed it, it was as if you are bitter that the Khans have a voice, and Kauls don't. What I stated was, it is rightful for you to be bitter that the Kashmiri Hindus don't have a voice, rather than be bitter, as to why the Khans have got one. See the difference?

    We should rather stand up for each other, not try to put each other down.

    I'm a Sikh, I too would love for there to be a "My Name is Singh", and not have the Indian censor board ban films based on 1984 anti-Sikh riots giving the reason that, "it is best to not go into the past". Whole generations have grown up, with the justice to the Sikhs still pending. So I do know how you feel when you say that Hindu Kashmiris need a voice, and they need their 'haq'. Our fight should only be for that, and not on the basis of being bitter as to why other communities are getting a voice. That, is petty mindedness.


    Also, your poll is biased; it only gives the reader the option to choose between arrogance or ignorance.
     
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    Tronic, you are mistaken. Why don't the Kauls have a voice as that to Khans? Give Khans a big voice, even if the issue is of removal of shoes. But why deny that Kauls WERE persecuted, killed and forced out? You cannot say that asking of removal of shoes is at par with removal of complete diginity of a people.
     
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    Shahrukh Khan is good actor, but the movie "my name is Khan' seems a little too sensational. But still it is movie worth watching.

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    the thing is that the so called seculer goverment is dum def and blind when it come to the problems of the kashmiri pandits its a saddning fact aand no amount of eyewash is enough to hid this fact. they just dont care even though the kashmiri pandits are most patriotic to india but alas they are made refugees in their onw home
     
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    One must appreciate and understand the plight of Kashmiri Hindus. There is no doubt about that. They deserve our support.

    There are Kashmiri Muslims too who deserve our support. I am talking about the family members of those National Conference workers and Ikhwanis who were killed by the Pakistani funded terror organisations for being pro-India.
     
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    You still don't get it. Let me put it this way, what is your bone of contention? That the Kashmiri Hindus don't have a voice, or the fact, that the Khans have got one?

    As for the movie, "My Name is Khan", it is a private venture, the government has got nothing to do with it. Tomorrow, someone may, or even you yourself are free to make a movie "My Name is Kaul". There is not a thing stopping you. Make a movie "My name is Kaul", and than see if the government censors your voice or not. An example of such censorship; the bans enforced on all Indian movies based on the 1984 Sikh genocide. The director of the recent movie, Amu, based on the '84 pogrom, tells all about the censorship board which literally forced her to censor out pretty much her whole movie, and asked her not to mention the words "anti-Sikh riots" in her film. That is what you call censoring one's voice. The "Khans" are not the ones who are behind this. I am happy that atleast one community of our nation has a voice; how does that become something to be bitter about?
     
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    I do not get it wrong Tronic. If you are a Sikh, no great shakes. I am a Hindu from Khanna area of Punjab. I know how horrible a nightmare was the khalistani terrorism. Hindus did not want to be uprooted second time around. But thanks to Gill, it was FINISHED.

    1984 riots were for a few days, pal, but Hindus offloaded from buses and shot in cold blood continued for a lonnnng time.

    About 1984c movie you talk of. It was not Hindus who demanded a censoring of it. It was our sickulars who diddit, as they would to a Kaul movie. Come on, no longer is it possible to to to make a film about 1947 genocides, in which Sikhs as well as Hindus were victims.
     
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    - They might have been Kauls, are they today too? Their policies tell otherwise.

    - Genghis. Haha. Of course he was not a muslim. Khan actually meant, but no longer means, a Chief or a ruler.
     
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    GPM, I am sorry to say this, but you carry a lot of abomination in your heart. This will burn you from within. There are lots of things to look at in this world. Some are good, some are bad.

    Ever tried gardening? It is a very fulfilling hobby.
     
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    You take no time in quickly connecting the Dehli pogroms with the Khalistani militancy in Punjab, you toss and turn about the "Khans" having a voice, and than you shed for Kashmiri Hindus not getting theirs! Can you begin to see your own hypocrisy?

    And about you being from Punjab and the sorry state of affairs for Hindus you attempt to portray is undone. Never has one community attacked another in Punjab, since partition. Everyone lives like brothers. Sikhs in Punjab did not mob up against the Hindus living in Punjab; so to compare those bus incidents, which by the way only the Police have told us about, given the media blackout at the time, with the Delhi massacre is not a close cigar. You are from Khanna; a part of Punjab which was barely hit by the Khalistani terrorists as hard. Infact, being from Khanna, you would have more chances of being weary of the army or police by being harassed by them rather than any terrorist. So you attempting to portray some sorry picture of Hindus in Punjab is totally undone! Sikhs never once attacked the Hindu community in Punjab, rather, Hindus faced the same problems as everyone else in the state; harassment by the Police, Army or the militants.



    Never said it was Hindus. It was and is the Indian government. And "sickulars"? Right wing or left wing, those Sikhs have got justice from nowhere, so its not just the "sickulars".

    What was Gaddar?
     
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    Facts should never be brought into the equation when one is having a biased rant. ;)
     
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    Notwithstanding, there is no doubt that sweet fanny adams has been done for the Kashmiri Pandits who have had to leave their hearth and homes.

    That is the irony!

    As far as the Kashmir Muslim being Kauls, Bhats or Dars, they were all Pandits anyway.

    That is the greater irony!

    They converted because of the brutal repression of the Afghans and then the Chaks.

    Khan is a title and not only Genghiz Khan was not a Muslim, there are Hindus in Bengal who have the name of Khan too!
     
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    Tronic a BIG correction.

    Nowhere did I allege that aam sikh killed Hindus. It was terrorists who diddit. They of course killed many sikhs too. Unfortunately it did happen.

    Gaddar does not show organised atrocities. Read "Train to Pakistan" by Khushwant Singh? Published about 55, it was BANNED promptly. The ban was lifted only about 66 or 67. Read it and tell me if can ever be made into a movie? Read his story "Khyber Express". Stands banned even today, though ban was lifted for a short time.

    Left wing sickulars deny Hindus and Sikhs were massacred in 1947 in Pakistan. Right wingers, Congress, of course was busy protecting its heavy weights. Do not expect justice from them. Hindus too do not expect justice from them.
     
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    I would like to state that I am quite secular and I don't think using religion for temporal reasons is correct.

    Therefore, I am quite blunt and so beyond political correctness.

    We can expect justice from every Govt, so long as those who are implementing the orders are clear in their heart.

    To put the facts correct, I have controlled communal riots and I and my troops did not care what religion a rioter was from. We only thought about what was right for the country and what was ordered of us.
     
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    There we go again, another communal rant. When will we stop this childish behavior and start supporting each other. In the great republic of India every community is marginalized one way or the other. Every caste has to face the BS from our government machinery. I do not believe any one community is better than the other, we all get screwed at one point or the other.

    Maybe, we should stop the bickering among ourselves and start fighting together. I guess it can't be any worse that what we have done in the past. Oh no, that will never happen, it will never happen as long as we keep our petty mindedness and playing to the tune of our communal leaders.
     

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