Discussion in 'Religion & Culture' started by Ray, Apr 4, 2015.
I wonder where the divides come from when we have people understanding each other more these days.
Some wonderfully 'intellectual' comments from you, please.
Jinn-ki-ass is an idiot. No point calling him.
But even I don't know what to say. For one the ISKON is more about christianizing Gita than about establishing Karma Siddhant. It is ironic that they chose to call their version of 'Gita-As it is' or 'Gita-Yathaswarupa'. These people are fooling both Indians and foreigners. To have an Indian Muslim learn what is already his inheritance through the POV of a foreigner is quite crazy.
Iskon people have some really crazy interpretations designed to further their own church of Iskcon. They freely argue on points that are not even their in the texts and go on misinterpreting things. For example the following is simply gobbledygook of the highest order.
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - Hindi ( à¤¶à¥à¤°à¥€à¤®à¤¦à¥à¤à¤—à¤µà¤¦à¥à¤—à¥€à¤¤à¤¾ à¤¯à¤¥à¤¾à¤°à¥‚à¤ª ): à¤…à¤§à¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤¯ 6 à¤¶à¥à¤²à¥‹à¤• 6 - 47 , BG 6 - 47 Bhagavad Gita As It Is Hindi
à¤…à¤¤à¤ƒ = that is why, and it implies a conclusion is being formed. Conclusion follows that a yogi who progresses, remains on the truthful eternal path to goodwill/universal good.
Now just look at the corollary to the conclusion - A man focused on a point and not moving forward is a Karmayogi, gyanyogi etc.
Plain crazy to say that.
But to get what is wrong, in its entirety with the Iskon interpretations, you will have to read Gita in full from an Indian source. Ideally at least 200 years old. Once you do that, even if you are a foreigner, you will get the correct positioning/readings of your moral compass without any outside help. The man/practitioner himself becomes his own guide. But with these foreign interpretations that make a mash of all logic of the system our people will be fooled completely. Because Hindu practices are centered around Anubhuti or experience there is little to fear from it. You do not benefit you drop it. Its like Ayurvedic medicine, next to nil side effects. It may not work for you, but it won't damage you. There is simply no way that if rightly used, a crusade can be launched or a Shia sunni clash or a world war can be launched using Gita (as read in the Indian traditions). But with this kind of illogic we will get into a massive trouble at some point, with no good to anybody. If anybody wants to benefit from Hindu practices then he has to come in seriously, not as a digesting technique. Else what gets digested, inappropriately dose not works well on the body's constitution. The culture cannot be divorced from the logic developed by that culture.
This is so even with the foreign languages. Foreign languages too can only be understood within the context of their cultures. If for example, I tell you that the phrase 'Good for Nothing' means a good act that is done for nothing in return or that it means nishkaam-karma, you would call me crazy. And rightly so, because 'Good for nothing' will be defined by the culture and usage of the english speaking people. As that english speaking culture uses this phrase for describing a 'worthless' or 'useless' thing, we the non-native english speakers should have the brains to accept that interpretation of it.
A lot of western people simply read what they want to read into our texts. And then they insist that they are right and manage to fool a few kala-angrez from India. This gets them a church but it robs them of all senses.
Reconciliation is welcome, but we must be extremely careful, many of these people might turn out to become the Zakir Naik versions 2.0, 3.0 .....
They will start inserting their own interpretations, meanings and will invent hymns and verses which do not exist in the original text to fool the audience.
I agree with @Khagesh that ISCON has not served Hinduism well, it is nothing more than a cult IMHO.
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