Muslim Clergy Frowns on Surya Namaskar

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  1. afako

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    Nadeem Khan was chanting 'Mitraya Nama', with his hands folded, as Sanskrit shlokas blared loudly in the background. The 12-year-old student, oblivious to the religious significance of Surya Namaskar, performed it 13 times. "We were told in the morning that we have to go Ramlila Ground for some sports event," said Khan, balancing himself with some difficulty. In an ironic coincidence, a controversy brewed in Bihar assembly to include Surya Namaskar in government school curriculum.

    He was among thousands of students across the country who participated in a Surya Namaskar event to commemorate the birth anniversary of Swami Vivekanand's Guru, Swami Ram Krishan Paramhans, on Monday.

    Any controversy far from their mind, the children chanted shlokas even as members of the Muslim clergy frowned. "It is a secular country," said the Shahi Imam, Ahmad Bukhari, "but anything which is even vaguely about offering prayers to a god other than Allah is haraam in Islam and one cannot force it upon us."

    However, Surya Namaskar done without the intention of offering prayers to the Sun and minus the chants could be a harmless exercise for many.

    "It is all about intention and what happened at Ramlila Ground was religiously motivated. If it is just yoga, then why chant Sanskrit shlokas or ask non-Hindus to chant it," said Bukhari.

    However, the other students and teachers were finding it difficult to comprehend why the Muslim clergy and parents could find the exercise offensive. "Who says Yoga borders on indoctrination? It is just a form of exercise like aerobics and other sport drills. In convent schools, kids go to church - people should then object to that too," said a teacher who didn't wish to be named.

    Muslim clerics were ready with an answer - going by that logic, namaaz too is a form of exercise since you repeatedly stand and sit. "If for some yoga is secular, then do it without the shlokas. Even namaaz without the Quran's verses is an exercise as people have to stand and sit frequently. Surya Namaskar is a prayer for the Sun god," said Maulana Mufti Mukarram Ahmad of Fatehpuri Masjid.

    The organizers agreed it was true. "The 13 shlokas are prayers...these ask the Sun god to empower and enrich us with his power," said Sanjay Jain of Swami Vivekanada 150th Birth Anniversary Committee, who had organized the event.

    Giggling all the time, even as the loudspeaker blared 'Narayana', Mohammed Afnan, a student of Class VI who was in a push-up position, said: "I don't care as I don't know the meaning of the words. The teachers asked us to do what others will be doing and I'm simply following instructions." "Teachers should respect other religions and always give an option to the students whether they wish to participate or not," said Bukhari.

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    Muslim clergy frowns on Surya Namaskar - The Times of India

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  3. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It is merely a free hand exercise that exercise most parts of the anatomy.

    Why add a religious tag?

    Just do it for toning up one's health.

    I am sure that without the religious chants, it will be equally beneficial.

    Even the namaz is an excellent way to tone up the body.

    It is possibly a way to ensure that the body aches of the Bedouins who travelled long distances on the camel and were fatigued, after saying the namaz would have eased out the muscles and got rid of the body pains and aches.

    All religious rituals have a scientific background.
     
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    GPM Tihar Jail Banned

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    These a$$holes frown on Ayurvedic treatment too.
     
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    panduranghari Senior Member Senior Member

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    Hinduism is not a buffet where you pick and choose. You do it completely or do not do it at all. Too long have we allowed this attitude to permeate our cultural aspects. From Christian Yoga to secularised Bhagwad Gita, now this. We ought to make a stand on this.
     
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    We should never force others to follow our beliefs.

    Having said that, others should also not be allowed to force us.

    So all educational institutes should be shunned of religion, and religious practices. All St.Josephs, St.Thomas and likes should be immediately asked to change their names.
     
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    GPM Tihar Jail Banned

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    Lols @ secularised Bhagwad Gita.


    But then some Hindu a$$holes want Hindu temples to be secularized.
     
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    I do not wish to force anyone to follow any belief. I am just saying there are certain aspects of things which have to be done in a certain way. In the USA, the followers of Yoga teachers eventually decided to abandon the original way of yoga where 'mantrochaar' was an integral part of Yoga. Now they have a secularised version of the same.

    Rajiv Malhotra calls it 'U-Turn theory'.

    A tiger eats a deer. The deer may think oh by being inside the stomach of the tiger it can travel far and wide and she wont be feared by anyone. However the tiger digests the deer by eating its meat and the bones are left behind. Similarly the dominant cultures of the world wish to use what they can from the less dominant ones. its a old pattern.,
     
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    The tiger must be strictly caged.
     
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    Better is become like a porcupine. Thus you do not need to attack anyone, but your defence is up in no time that no tiger nor snake can come and exterminate you.
     
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    You're a regular on the Yahoo group :)

    When asked about Yoga's religious connotations, Hindus get totally defensive and say that its just "physical exercise". However, in reality its one of the ways to attain Moksha
     
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    Yeah. The posturing and all it is part of the Astanga Yoga (Asana). There are other Yogas as well (Karma Yoga, Bhakti Yoga etc.)
     
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    Who will tell this to the people who preach sameness? Shouldn't it start with family. Teach kids. only then will they grow up to be more assertive. But assertive does not mean preaching bull shit like Zakir Naik does.

    A few months ago, someone asked a very interesting question about how to be dharmic. Some very fascinating answers came forth. It made me realise, if we would like more egalitarian society where casteism, inequality is very rife. It is primarily due to ignorance. The baseless hatred about everything Brahmanical also stems from this ignorance.
    We live in interesting times.

    Thanks for directing me to the yahoo group a few moons ago.
     
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    Only Dharmic religions can have more than one ways to attain moksha...that is why hindus have to get defensive....In abrahmic religions only way to attain moksha is through their prophet...
     
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    There is no Moksha in Abrahamic religions. IIRC you're only "saved" from eternal damnation/hellfire etc
     
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    Yeah. they do not believe in rebirth nor in Karma. For them, this is just one chance to either take to their prophet and attain heaven, or go to hell eternally.
     
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    You are right...Moksha as a concept is alien to abrahmic religions..
     
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    Dharmic faiths do not insist that their's is the only way to salvation so they do not mind keeping pictures of Jesus Christ or any other religious symbol alongside their own gods. Abrahaimic faiths OTOH are exclusivist but why should Hindus expect them to change their beliefs. Yoga is part of the Hindu religion and anyone who thinks otherwise is mistaken, Yoga is not just `physical exercise`.
     
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    Make Hinduism Secular fully or its not secular at all :pound:
     
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    Surya Namaskar is one helluva exercise. A couple of years back I had joined yog and though I lasted there for a coiple of months, it was quite an experience. We did some variations of it too. Power Yog it was.
     
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    Power Yoga :troll: :hehe: OMG :lawl:
     

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