musharraf-warns-india-of-dire-consequences in case of aggression

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    http://www.sananews.net/english/201...a-of-dire-consequences-in-case-of-aggression/


    DUBAI (SANA): Former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf accused India of backing insurgency in Pakistan through its Afghan consulates, adding that India should not have any misconception to carry out a US-like operation in Pakistan.

    He said that if India tried to venture out, it would have to face severe retaliation from Pakistan. He said that being the former army chief, he believed that if India did resorted to aggression, it would have to face the retaliation beyond its imagination.

    In an interview with an Indian channel, Musharraf rejected to accept the reports that Osama would have been living in the compound in Abbotabad for five years.

    He discarded the allegations that Pakistan had already known about Osama’s presence in the compound, saying that President Obama also thanked Pakistan for the intelligence cooperation.

    He said that numerous Al-Qaeda operatives had been captured in Pakistan when he was at the helm of affairs. If the US does not trust Pakistan, it will do no good to the alliance between the two countries, Musharraf added.

    He said that Pakistan did not require any kind of help from India and if it wanted to help Pakistan, it should stop backing militants from its Afghan consulates.

    He said that India was behind the insurgency in Balochistan as the weapons were not falling from sky for Baloch rebels rather India was providing them.

    Meanwhile in an interview with Washington National Radio, Musharraf said that secret agency of Pakistan failed to search Osama, adding that Osama was hiding in a compound situated near to the Pakistan Military Academy Kakul.

    He said that on the one hand the secret agencies are being involved in the hiding of Osama, adding that in my view this allegation is not right.

    He said that it could be termed as the failure of the secret agencies, adding that I even could not imagine that Pakistani agencies were involved in the hiding of Osama in Abbottabad.

    Pervez Musharraf said that president Obama thanked Pakistan for secret agencies for intelligence cooperation and on the other Pakistan is being involved in the hiding of Osama which is not right thing.

    He said that if some elements of Pakistan were involved in the hiding of Osama then they should be prosecuted, adding that the news about the presence of Osama in Abbottabad from the last five years is no true.

    He said that no resident of Abbottabad confirmed the news of Osama bin Laden living in their area.
     
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    http://www.inewsone.com/2011/05/08/...n-abbottabad-but-show-restraint-experts/48979

    India capable of doing an Abbottabad, but show restraint

    New Delhi, May 8 (IANS) India has a long list of most-wanted living in Pakistan and can pull off an Abbottabad-like covert operation, but it should show restraint, say defence and strategic experts.

    Can India actually pull off a covert operation like the US’ ‘Operation Geronimo’? ‘Yes, we can,’ say military experts. But they caution India to first upgrade its special forces equipment, prepare for ‘catastrophic’ fallout, including a possible nuclear conflict, and bring itself up to have a political will before it even thinks of such a daredevilry.

    In the backdrop of Osama bin Laden’s killing in Abbottabad in Pakistan on May 1, India’s Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik and Indian Army chief General V.K. Singh declared their forces have the capability and competence to carry out a commando operation outside the country to target terrorists.

    Their remarks invited angry reactions from Pakistan’s Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir and army chief General Asfaq Parvez Kayani, who warned against such ‘misadventure’, saying it would invite a ‘catastrophic’ response.

    ‘There is no doubt about it. The army, navy and air force are paid to be ready. None of the services chiefs is going to say he does not have the capability,’ says retired Commodore C. Uday Bhaskar, director of naval think-tank National Maritime Foundation, when asked about the services chief’s comments.

    Brigadier Gurmeet Kanwal, director of army think-tank Centre for Land Warfare Studies, concurs with Uday Bhaskar. ‘We virtually have the same capability (as the US Navy SEALs),’ Kanwal told IANS, pointing out that the army itself has over half-a-dozen special forces battalions trained to carry out such attacks on strategic targets.

    These apart, the navy also has a strong contingent of Marine Commandos, or MARCOS, on the line of US Navy SEALs, who go through amphibious covert operations training on land, air and sea. The air force has its own special forces, code-named Garuds.

    What India lacks is the technological advantage that the Americans enjoy in the form of stealth helicopters, electronic and aerial surveillance through their drones and spy satellites, apart from their air defence counter-measures.

    ‘To be very honest, it is not possible to disclose if we have these capabilities or not. But, yes, we have the joint strategic capability for any special task that the government assigns to the armed forces, not necessarily in the neighbourhood, but anywhere around the globe,’ Air Marshal P.K. Barbora, former Indian Air Force (IAF) vice chief, told IANS.

    The IAF also has the strategic lift capability for long distance in the form of the newly acquired American aircraft C-130Js for its special forces inducted this February. India has already launched Cartosat-II satellite that can be put to military use, while the armed forces will have their dedicated satellites soon beginning next year. The armed forces search for drones, including an indigenous one, continues.

    ‘But the decision on such operations is not taken by the uniformed personnel. It is taken by the political leadership after receiving all inputs including the implications and fall- out, and after planning for all exigencies, be it a nuclear conflict,’ Barbora said.

    India need not talk about an ‘Operation Geronimo’ of its own till the time it can achieve strategic advantage through covert operations without having to talk about it first, the experts feel.

    ‘In this 24X7 age, India should show some discipline on what it says. There has to be a coordinated response to situations at all levels,’ says Uday Bhaskar, calling for restraint.

    Instead, India should look at energising its external intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) for getting its wanted, rather than use its armed forces, says Gurmeet Kanwal.

    India has a long list of most-wanted on Pakistani soil for terror acts, including the 26/11 Mumbai attacks’ mastermind Lashkar-e-Taiba founder Hafiz Saeed, Jaish-e-Mohammed founder Masood Azhar, and underworld don Dawood Ibrahim known for his role in the 1993 Mumbai serial bombings that killed hundreds.

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    Musharraf should actually worry about the dire consequences the Pakistanis may have readied for him.

    After all, this whole mess of harbouring terrorists is his game plan of having these as 'strategic assets' and using them. If one recalls, officially he banned terrorist organisations and then allowed them to resurrect and rejuvenate under a different garb.

    And most importantly, he sold Pakistan to the the US wholesale and with no holds barred.

    He may meet Benazir's fate and Mohajirs are not really liked in Pakistan!
     
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    Can India replicate the US?

    If one is asked, 'Can you', the question is like asking a fishmonger, 'Is this fish fresh?'

    Now, who in his profession will say, 'No'?!
     
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    We may be able to pull off what the US did in Abbotabad in the military sense. However what happens next cannot be controlled by us as well as the US has been able to.

    When the Pakistanis were crying foul, Obama was saying that he will do it again if necessary. If we can achieve the same kind of diplomatic and political clout, then this is something that can be completely within our power to do.
     
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    I was seeing the Pak Kal Tak videos appended by PMaitra here.

    Apparently, the radars are focussed towards the East, namely India.

    I think it would be a better mode to do it the Mossad way and then melt into the background.

    I was reading an interesting piece of Pak news, in a Pak forum, which stated that the CIA has recruited many RAW and Mossad operators in the CIA and who were operating in Pakistan under CIA cover!! The quoted some 1000 CIA operators were in Pakistan whose antecedents have not be verified and so the RAW and Mossad are amongst these.

    If this be correct, then it is ideal to knock down a couple of those involved in the Mumbai carnage as also good old Dawood boy!!

    CIA will have to take the rap! ;)

    I also feel that such statement given that India is capable is good. It will take Pakistan on the boil, now that there population is in total disbelief, disarray, demoralised and have lost their machismo and faith in themselves and their Armed Forces.

    It will crush them psychologically.
     
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    sovereignty of pakistan is like virginity of a bi/|\ch ,
     
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    The usual tactics employed by Pakistan when it found itself cornered and in the state of chaos and panic,and what are the dire consequences,are their radars functioning properly or not?
     
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    Who exactly is in control of that country?
     
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    Ray Sir, if RAW and Mossad Agents are working in Pakistan under CIA cover, can't they double cross their US counterparts and India can then fulfill its mission of getting Dawood and Hafeez???

    If not, then also these agents when they will again work directly under RAW, will prove to be potent force in building HUMINT network in Pakistan which is on the fall after Gujral Govt.

    What would be the interest of Mossad in Pakistan and that too working under CIA cover??? I know how the Israelis are worried about Paks Nukes, is that it???
     
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    Well one thing I am interested to know about is the status of their radars in the western sector,was it jammed or they were not functional or is it that they r serious loopholes in their air defense mechanism,anyway is it a blessing for India,since we r known to have a base in Tajikistan,it can be used for some covert ops.
     
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    We don't have any base in Tajikistan.
     
  16. musharaf is a joker.india can surely repeat abottabad like encounter if our political masters agree.india can also take care of pakistani "retalliation" by launching our own form of massive retalliation.but to us hunting down daud and saeed is not the only priority.they would be replaced by others if they are killed.but our top priority is to break the terror infrastructure across loc and teach pakistani army a lesson.for that i think we need mass cruise missile attack and precision airstrikes on pok terrorist camp and pak army installation like in libya.
     
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    What about Farkhor air base,reports also states about Ayni,official's continuously renouncing it does not mean it may be true
     
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    Farkhor or Ayni, it ain't true that India's got a base there, in fact we would have liked it very much, but Russia was not happy with any Ex-Soviet State handing over their land to some foreign military to run it. It was just that India set-up there a hospital to heal the wounded Northern Alliance warriors in Afghanistan who battled Al-Qaeda and Taliban.
     
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    Yes it is stated numerous times in the media that untill now India does not have any military presence in Tajik,by base I does not mean active troops station there,but active access to the said property,Russia was aware about Indian interest there,and it was in the later half of the decade the reports started to emerge in media that Russia is opposing it.
     
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    Well yes this is what I was talking about,the constant denials by the official's does not reflect reality,the report itself states India already spend Rs 100 crore to refurbish the strip.
     

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