Musharraf begged Nawaz Shariff to end kargil : Former DG ISI

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    Musharraf begged Nawaz Shariff to end kargil : Former DG ISI

    In an Exclusive Interview of Former DG ISI – General RTD Ziauddin, who was in charge of ISI during Kargil war, reveals how Musharraf begged Nawaz Shariff to end kargil and how the core commander Mehmood was shivering to go to battlefield to face Indian armed forced.

     
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    BTW EX-DG ISI General Ziauddin was Nawaz shariefs man in PA and he was Nwaz sharief's choice to replace Musharraff as CAOS of PA just before the coup.
     
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    Interesting time for the revelations, right after Musharraf launches his political party.

    BTW a very interesting fact both the gentlemen are in exile enjoying the comforts of their host country away from all the troubles in their own country.
     
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    2 things

    first this men is says taliban head mulla omer is saint men(because according to him mulla omer was ready to arrest osama bin laden had it been proven that osama is terrorist and second mulla was ready to throw osama out but did n`t had gut to do so) :angry_10::angry_10: how can isis appoint a saint men to head a deadly organistion in this cynical world:happy_2:

    second a gospel truth that pakistan isi is one and only intelligence organisation in world where its intelligence chief reports to the head of army rather then pm of country
     
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    I always know Musharaf is a Pathological lair. His IQ is not better then a low life street bully.
     
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    The entire Pakistani army along with its ISI and other jihadi outfits including the pakistani political crooks are liars. Musharraf is just a product of that system. So, we should neither give weightage to the utterings of this Zia or to the rants of Musharraf or even to the excuses of Nawaz Sharrif.

    As far as India is concerned, they tried to backstab us in Kargil when we extended them a hand of friendship.
     
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    But the question is. whom shall India trust? Shiekh Rashid like politicians became breathless many times, ranting in Praise of Musharaf as the only sole statesman Pakistan ever produced; who could resolve the Kashmir issue.
    Above revelation has revealed many things.
    From now on Pakistanis wont be able to argue details on, who got the beating on Kargil hills, whose army Chief was begging for ceasefire, whether NLF voluntarily withdrew from the peeks or ran with tail between the legs after comprehensive flushing by InA.
    The highlight of above Interview is ''the consecutive briefings were suggesting grim situation for PA''. Who begged first becomes secondary when Nawaj Shariff rushed to USA, so that Musharaf can claim remaining bodies with their IDs on display by InA at different Army cantonments in J&K.
     
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    There should be weightage to these statements Johnee because point is, Musharraff goes around the world giving interviews that Kargil was well under control by Pak army and if it wasn't for Nawaz, they would have won it. But this statement of Zia as of how the core commanders were scared to go to battle field when Indian Army retaliated speak volumes of what position they were actually in.

    Does it takes just 5-10 crazy people in Pak Army to start a war killling 1000's of our jawans? And they claim themselves to be a professional army.
     
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    Musharaf can rant whatever he can when in Power. But the fact is Nawaz Sharif went to US. It means they were not in control. India was neither crossing the LOC nor IB. Then what forced him to go and beg USA to intervene.
    To remain in power Musharaf has to come up with credible excuse/lie to tell Pakistani masses. Once you lie you have to remember that lie for future and must tell that lie many times again. This is what he was doing boasting at different Int. forums that his army was in control.
     
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    Trust none.ecxept fot its own instincts.
    Pakistanis will never introspect for them every war they 've won period.If they weren't able to take action after 1971 then forget kargil.coz pakistanis live in la..la ..land.
    Even after neither mushy nor PA nor pakistanis have shame even when they were caught with their pants down.
     
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    India did on occasion ratched up pressure across LOC by crossing it.Ask ray sir for confirmation.There were sure some across the LOC raids.
    lieing was not mushy's ploy it was as if whole pakistanis masses wish to or used to live in lies oand conspiracies.Very first person to lie to them was jinnah about "islam khatre main hai" so he demanded pakistan.And since then pakistanis got used to live the life of lies and conspiracies .for this you cant blame its leaders and generals for lieing.coz this is what they want to hear like the lie of 72 virgins.
     
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    Technically you must be a raw/cia/mossad agent according to think tanks in pakistan.
     
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    What actually happened was

    1999-February and early march
    Gen.Pervez Musharraf held a series of secret meetings with the senior commanders of the PA at his farmhouse outside Rawalpindi, here they pulled out a plan that had originally been devised in 1975 to strike at Kargil, the plan was to sever Kashmir in half by holding the Kargil heights using PA commandos in disguise and then sending in Mujahid to capture Ladakh.Over a series of meetings where all the important (read loyal to mushy) corps commanders in the PA are briefed on the draft plan and asked for suggestions to improve on the same.Musharraf wanted to avenge 1971 nothing more nothing less.

    1999-early April
    Pervez Musharraf briefs Nawaz Sharif on the plan to take over the Kargil heights, nawaz is in a disadvantageous position with most of the army loyal to Musharraf he fears a backlash if he disapproves of Kargil and hence gives the go ahead.Also briefed is Gen Khwaja Ziauddin longtime family friend of Nawaz Sharif who was made ISI chief due to his political connections.

    1999-early may
    PA regulars and jihadist volunteers infiltrate into and take control of Kargil heights.

    1999-June end
    The CIA picks up intelligence that the PA has started to prepare nuclear missiles for launch against India without overt political approval, this information is passed onto Sharif.

    1999-4th July
    A scared and overwhelmed Nawaz Sharif flys into Washington bringing his family along as if he were flying into exile.here at a closed door meeting at Blair house on Pennsylvania avenue President Clinton Berates Nawaz Sharif in the strongest terms and literally orders him to pull back forces from the line of control or else....!Nawaz Complys and orders a withdrawal from Kargil ,he feels that by doing so he shall make Gen. Musharraf look like a loser in front of the PA's elite and hence smoothen Gen. Ziauddins rise to COAS instead the brass rallies around Musharraf.


    I would take whatever Gen Ziauddin has said with a grain of salt, Gen Ziauddin was an engineer in the Pakistan army not a position from where you can become Dig ISI or COAS.However he was married to the daughter of a wealthy , politically well connected family in Lahore and his Father in Law just happened to be buddies with Buddies with Nawaz Sharif's father. It was the senior Mr Sharif that tapped Zia as a favorite brigadier and asked his son to promote the young man to army headquarters where Gen Zia got a chance to work with Pakistan's nuclear weapons program. when sharif made him Dig of ISIin the fall of 1998 he was widely regarded by the PA brass as an emissary of the Prime minister!
     
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    I think those were few skirmishes when InA chased them down hill, when they were running back. Not crossing the LOC and respecting Simla accord gave India diplomatic high morale ground, it was a precious package to safeguard. It was categorically announced by India that we will not cross the line. it was a quickly fruitful decision as west started supporting India. Though against odd of domestic pressures to cross the line.

    The possibilities were to be exercised by Pakistan since she was the aggressor (whether India will cross the line or not). That is why without provocations or physical evidence that India is preparing to do so he threated India for nuclear strikes. Musharaf was not only a bluffer but hyper reactive coward. Furthermore India's reaction was not spurt but slow and calculated. Though our intelligence failed miserably at the start when we could have nipped them in the bud but India took its time thereafter. This is the testimony to the fact that India was pretty sure what to do. Furthermore the main emphasis of operation ''safed saagar'' was not to cross the line.

    The whole Kargil war was extensively covered by media for the like of Pakistani policy makers to react quickly upon what we are doing and saying. I don't think there was any communication gap between both, thanks to pathetic India media who helped Pakistan to not assume much and be under pressure way before if India does anything with surprise.
     
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    Terrorists from the Terrorist Republic of Pakistan pissing against each other. History taught us to trust a snake but never Pakistan.
     
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    both can be de-fanged.............................
     

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