MTA Program by UAC/HAL

indian_sukhoi

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Hope they dont forget to equipped the MTA with some basic Countermeasures like Chaff and Flares. Even for a Transport Aircraft need to have Countermeasures to evade incoming threats. In Future, MTA will be replacing AN-12s for Transportation role in Himalayas.

Till Kargil War,.....Most of our Aircrafts (Including Fighters) and Helicopters weren't even equipped with flares.


The other area where India seriously needs to look into is the passenger airliner industry. We have plenty of potential help an arm's length away, especially from TsAGI, Ilyushin, Tupolev and Sukhoi.
Civilian Aviation Industry is a complete different path, In which HAL has no experience. The Aviation Industry sector in India has an unprecedented growth in recent years.

Non of our Aviation Companies have the ability to develop a Jet passenger, Besides we wouldnt even have to a chance to compete against Europeans or the US.

HAL can develop spare parts and maintainence, but it doesnt have experience to develop a turbofan engines or a Large Hanger to Start. Besides,.....Even Aviadvigatel PD-14 turbofan engines for MTA would be manufacutring in Russia




Tactically speaking, take-off distance of 1200 m is too much for a 20,000 Kg payload carrying tactical transport aircraft, though it may not be for a jet propelled medium lifter. But it changes nothing, anyday वायु सेना will require MTA to be able to operate from short semi prepared airfields and i don't think any ALS along LAC offer such length. I guess these MTAs at any given day will not be able to operate with anything above 10 ton while going for missions along LAC.
My Point Excatly,.......The Main requirment of IAF Transport Fleet is to land in Rough and Short airfields.

The Terrain in North-East sector and Himalayas are quite rough. Some Outposts in North-East sector are complety dependence on air logistics operations.
http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/other-north_east_logistics.html

Was surprised to see IAF opting turbo Jets aircrafts for both Medium-Heavy transports requirements. Turbo rotors are more suitable than Jet Aircrafts for high-performance short-takeoff landing(STOL) capability. Not to forget, They needs less fuel and maintainence than the Jet engines.
 

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Was surprised to see IAF opting turbo Jets aircrafts for both Medium-Heavy transports requirements. Turbo rotors are more suitable than Jet Aircrafts for high-performance short-takeoff landing(STOL) capability. Not to forget, They needs less fuel and maintainence than the Jet engines.
AN-32 are capable of Taking off and Landing over High altitudes, but with less cargo, Jet preform better over high altitudes ..

Also i doubt regarding the detail..
 

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DBO was reopened in 2008 and AN-32 operates there. The strip was closed in 1966 when an earthquake caused loosening of the surface soil. My question - Is the situation safe there now?
How are the planes landing, did IA have to work around any issues, make changes/alteration to landing procedure or the strip itself?

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IAF plans consortium of domestic companies for Rs.10,000 cr contract

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is trying to bring together a consortium of domestic firms to compete for a Rs.10,000 crore contract to manufacture 45 medium transport aircraft (MTAs).If the consortium is formed, it will be the first example of Indian companies partnering to bid for a defence aviation contract, a domain in which they do not have proven capability. MTAs are used to carry personnel and equipment.
On 1 July, IAF officials met the industry bodies Confederation of Indian Industry (CII), Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry and Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry of India to discuss the proposal, said a person who attended the meeting, asking not to be named.
A follow-up meeting is scheduled for 7 July, said an IAF official, requesting anonymity.
"This is a preliminary step," said a CII executive, who also did not want to be identified. "We are just exploring the possibility of coming together, but it is still some way off."
Tata Advanced Systems Ltd and Larsen and Toubro Ltd are among the companies that can participate in such a consortium. Their executives confirmed the meeting between industry bodies and IAF, but declined to comment further.
IAF publicized its requirement for MTAs in January 2010. It needs the aircraft to replace an ageing fleet of Hawker Siddeley HS 748s. The force is already upgrading Russian-origin Antonov An-32 transport aircraft.
IAF's effort to form the consortium follows the publication of India's defence production policy in January this year, which obliges the defence ministry to exhaust all possibility of indigenous manufacturing before turning to overseas vendors.
The contract is still likely to go through open bidding in which foreign defence firms may participate, said another person aware of the development, who also did not want to be named.
Industry executives and analysts are not upbeat about the prospects of an Indian consortium meeting IAF's requirement.
"Indian industry does not have the expertise to build such a complex machine," said an industry executive, requesting anonymity. "This might as well turn out to be a futile exercise. So, in all likelihood, the contract would still go to a foreign bidder."
Retired colonel Rajiv Chib, who works as defence analyst with the audit and consulting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers India, said the invitation to Indian industry to participate in the project is a positive step.
"But the government should first explore possibilities in the civil aerospace sector, as there are no foreign direct investment caps there," he said. "Once sufficient capacities are developed in civil aerospace, Indian companies can seriously consider making aircraft for defence use."
Separately, India is planning to develop a multi-role transport aircraft with Russia.
In September, the two nations announced plans to design and develop the aircraft through a joint venture between Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd and Russia's United Aircraft Corp. and Rosoboronexport. Both countries have earmarked a combined $600 million (Rs.2,664 crore) for the project.

IAF plans consortium of domestic companies for Rs.10,000 cr contract | idrw.org
 

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India-Russia accelerate Multi Role Transport Aircraft Project

Russia's United Aircraft Corporation(UAC)will soon set up a technical competence center to develop critical technologies for the Indo-Russian Multi Role Transport Aircraft (MTA) project while India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited has established a new company, the Multi Role Transport Aircraft Limited (MTAL), as an Indo-Russian joint venture.


Speaking at the Moscow Air show (MAKS) 2011 here yesterday, UAC President Mikhail Pogosyan said the technical competence was part of UAC's initiative to speed up technology development for new aircraft projects such as the SSJ100 and MC-21 civilian jets and the MTA tactical military transport.

These projects need new materials and composites to make them light and fuel efficient.

HAL, meanwhile has established the MTAL in Bangalore as a 50:50 joint venture between itself and UAC. The new company is yet to commence operations but has started recruitment of staff. Its CEO will be an Indian national. The aircraft's designing and prototyping will happen in Russia while production will take place in India. MATL will be in charge of marketing the aircraft in the two countries as well as for export. The total project cost is estimated at US$600 million shared between the two countries.

The project envisages production of a 20 tonne cargo plane for both military and civilian applications with low gross take off weight and capable of landing/take off from poorly surfaced runways. It is intended to replace the AN-32s in the Indian Air Force and equip the Russian Air Force as well.

MTA would be capable of ferrying 80 troops together with infantry fighting vehicles or light tanks, artillery guns and ammunition. It will have an 800km cruising speed, similar to that of an airliner.

India-Russia accelerate Multi Role Transport Aircraft Project : Defense news
 

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Good development. Wish MTAL follows the footpath of BrahMos Aerospace limited .
 

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it will replace An-32 from services. moreover couple of days back Indian air force briefed Indian private industries to chalk out a plan to develop fully Indian medium multirole tactical aircraft to replace hawkers from IAF. check it out articles of last month.
 

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India-Russia MTA project runs into rough weather



Sunday, October 23, 2011,




New Delhi: The Indo-Russian project to develop a multi-role transport aircraft is facing hurdles after the Centre raised objections over the business plan proposed by Moscow for the project.



India was "not satisfied" over the business plan submitted by the Russian side as there was nothing much for its engineers and scientists to do in the development of the proposed aircraft, Defence Ministry sources said here.


Defence Minister AK Antony had expressed India's views on the issue to his Russian counterpart Anatoly E Serdyukov during his visit to the European nation earlier this month for the 11th meeting of the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC).

The two sides have now decided to hold a meeting next month to iron out the differences, the sources said.


Antony had also expressed concern at the tardy progress made in the design and development of the MTA.

The two countries want the issues related to the aircraft to be resolved before the visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Russia in December.

The project has already got delayed. The Defence Ministry had last year said it would start by beginning of this year.

The Hindustan Aeronautics Limited and Russian Companies UAC Transport Aircraft and Rosonboronexport had signed a shareholders' agreement to incorporate a Joint Venture Company for design, development and production of MTA.


The agreement was in pursuance to a deal signed between India and Russian on November 12, 2007 for design, development and production of a MTA.


The Joint Venture Company will have 50:50 shareholding and the investment for the programme was worked out to be USD 600.7 million.


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India-Russia MTA project runs into rough weather
 

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It would have been much better if we had hired Ukrainians as TD partner and started on our own. It takes hell long to get anything done with Russians.
 

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Brazilians are self capable and they are not short on money as well, i fear they will not offer any better business plan than Russians. Ukrainians on other side are more or less equally technologically capable but are very short on money and this will give us freedom in shaping the project as we need.
 

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Russia already has a bad taste of technology going cheap to China by argeements or migrating scientists. Now that there's talk of their heavy industry technologies gradually going stagnant, this paranoia will be seen more often.
I still think this case can be talked out to mutual satisfaction.

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SAAB is good but will be costly. And they might also try to revive their own SAAB 2000 using our money. In that case we will not be able to learn much in terms of technology, may be even less than what Russians are offering at stage.
 

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This is typical Russian behaviour, they do the same thing on PAK FA. They expect India to buy it but not gain any development expertise in the project. MTA is going to be an Antonov design anyway so might as well go to Ukraine. But then Ukraine sells tech to Pakistan and China so India should cut all ties with them.
 

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whats wrong with russia , dont you guys think russia and china are playing some game

we have to keep our eyes open
 

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useless objection that " the russians havent left much scope for Indian engineers to work in it". first of all what are the domains that these engineers excel in??? i guess hardly any!! this opportunity should be utilized to get these engineers trained to go on solo in future.
 

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Are Indian engineers good enough to work on this project? If I were the expert and was offered an inexperienced help, I'd rather do it all by myself than train him and expect him to do it well. Aviation is one area where we don't produce enough good engineers and young people don't choose this field because we don't have a booming aviation sector. Hence. I am not surprised this happened. It would be very kind of Russia if they agreed to allow Indian engineers to work under their Russian expert counterparts.
 
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