Modi's test: WTO threatens India's food security

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  1. pmaitra

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    Modi's test: WTO threatens India's food security

    Source: India stands alone at WTO talks - The Times of India

    India has a set up plan to guarantee food security to its citizens. Why should this at all be on the negotiating table?

    • India should not relent. Negotiating India's food security would have adverse effects.
    • India could face famines, and thousands could die.
    • Indian food prices affect inflation. Unbridled inflation could cause massive unrest all over the country.
    • India is being arm-twisted into making concessions for countries whose agricultural products are non-competitive.
    • India's food shortage would put it at the mercy of other countries, and thus influence its foreign policy.

    Will Narendra Modi bend? Or will he prove to be a man of steel? If required, should India walk out of WTO, and G-20?
     
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  3. right wing

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    nothing of that sort will happen..insted we will be able tobuy more easily and sell better...most developing countries r supporting it for a reason...free trade will end stupid govt spend on food subsidy..lower hoarder control...improve farmers capacity to produce export oriented crop...increase yield..etc...useless fear mongering by nehruvian babus of raisina hill...
     
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    1)50% Indian population dependent on Agriculture sector means 60cr
    Ind giving fertilizers/food grains/Mkt price...........SUBSIDIES for these farmers&poor

    2) Free trade with China/some developed countries means dump their food items in India ex:Rice kg 30/- they give 15/-rs then who buys for 30/-.If they lost their income 60 cr farmers (uneducated) come to CITIES as a DAILY LABOR can u provide 60 cr Jobs :laugh:

    3)How can u expect our uneducated,non tech farmers fight with China/some developed countries

    On Topic:Nothing will happen 'coz 80% Countries are poor they stand with India in Voting so just chill
     
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    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    India also provides same subsides as some advanced countries, in Andhra Pradesh Govt. has just taken a decision to waive off the loans worth 35000 crore rupees.
    Every year GOI spends lakhs of crores only on subsides.

    In Agriculture India and China are neck to neck when it comes to producing rice, wheat etc ..... etc.....

    Mean while you can wow at China for no reason ...... :yey:
     
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    jus Senior Member Senior Member

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    here Im not TALKING abt PRODUCTION ,but PRICE of PRODUCING food grains
    Just check how many quintals of food grains per acre in China vs India,how many work per acre,Total agri dependent etc


    who denied subsidies i clearly said..................Ind giving fertilizers/food grains/Mkt price etc SUBSIDIES for these farmers&poor

    2)why i don't care abt DEVELOPED COUNTRIES in this matter is in US/Uk/E.U hardly 1-2% farmers their contribution for GDP is below 6% so these things didn't matter them but China with huge Agri land still developing country it dumps food grains in India
     
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    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    Those dumping days will be over soon ..... India is a food surplus country except onions , tomatoes some times.

    Basic agri products are not imported but are produced here.

    Chinese rice is different from our rice ..... Chinese eat sticky rice.

    Rice Exports From India Climbing to Record on Mideast Demand - Bloomberg

    China is looking to expand its agricultural productivity so as India.

    There is going to be an organic farming revolution in the coming years in India.


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    http://irri.org/rice-today/game-changers-in-the-global-rice-market

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/02/24/india-grains-idINL3N0LT29H20140224

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...est-importer-of-rice/articleshow/20063087.cms

    Quality wise India needs to learn from Japan which produces some quality agri products. These guys are amazing in farming and fisheries. The care they take while producing apples, yam and fish farming is appreciable.

    Dumping duties on Foreign goods will be increased to increase the domestic manufacturing and also reduce trade imbalance.

    1 kilo rice in china is 8 rmb = 80 rs (approx)
     
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    ... u are totally missing the 1 lac crore subsidy and 65000 crore fertilizer subsidy we have earmarked fr food security...that entire sum frees up...if food costs become competitive..this entire money can be used directly for revolutionising agriculture...plus lower food prices,lower inflation,lower int loans for farmers n middle class alike..only hoarders and middle men need to fear....and our huge food wastage can suitably diverted to export...thus helping farmers..further incentivising modern agriculure
     
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    U didn't get me I know FREE TRADE make food grains cheap (like i said Rice for 15/-) In today's competitive world only best can survive,why u ignoring KEY POINT 60CR AGRI LABOR (un educated farmers) INVADE our CITIES

    Piratically Indian cities are world FAMOUS for SLUMS can u make it another 60cr

    p.s I didn't love agri/farmers but i simply want they must educate and live there else like UP/BIHARI in Mumbai every state some kind of SHIVA SENA party will rise.By default every yr 1-2% Rural ppl MIGRATING to Urban (Inevitable) but don't make it 6%+ our cities don't make it then Crime will increase,Mafia,Human trafficking,More slums and so on
     
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    Answer is Smart cities that will be created all along the industrial corridors.

    Job creation is different than food security ..... India provides enough opportunities for every one. There will be jobs in infrastructure, Manufacturing etc...etc.....

    The infrastructure programs alone will generate crores of jobs.
     
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    So u ACCOMMODATE 60 CR UN EDUCATED LABOR in Smart cities that will be created all along the industrial corridors, infrastructure, Manufacturing etc...etc..... :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    You are pathetic. Not only your inability to form a single sentence properly. May be inability speak properly is a fashion statement these days? Huh? And showing contempt to the poverty of rural people? I hope that is not a teaching of your family tradition.

    I would like to say 'Grow up'. But this single post says that the attitude you bear, you are just not a person who can even understand what growing up means. You so sound like the brats shown in Hollywood movies. Is it the next modern educated urban next-generation is? So aloof of their own nation and its people. So comfy in their urban life that the real life blood of this nation - the rural india - is forgotten. No wonder the so called India vs. bharat conflicts raise head more often this days.

    I just wonder at the ignorance of some of the members of this forum of the real poverty that is rampant in rural areas. When the Food Security Bill in its entirety cannot be supported, there are places in India where such schemes can save lives - where if people cannot buy food in its 'competitive' price. I may be called an socialist or communist - but the facts just won't go away.
     
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    For your info. I have no idea how you arrived at 60 crore number.

    Even todays farmer kids are preferring employment to farming. If you go to villages and observe most of the farmers are giving their farming lands to people who are farming specialists and in return taking some money and grain.

    Farmers are reducing at the same time large scale specialized farmers are increasing.


    I am talking about the people who are going to support Industrial corridor and who are expected to migrate, for them smart cities are the solution.

    As per census India has 497 million (50 crores) labour force , agriculture labour force is less than that figure.

    Labour in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Agriculture, dairy, horticulture and related occupations alone employ 52 percent of labour in India. i.e close to 25 crores.

    The other 25 crores are employed in "unorganised enterprises ranging from pushcart vendors to home-based diamond and gem polishing operations.[2][3] The organised sector includes workers employed by the government, state-owned enterprises and private sector enterprises. In 2008, the organised sector employed 27.5 million workers, of which 17.3 million worked for government or government owned entities.[4]"
     
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    WORLD BANK.................. Employment in agriculture (% of total employment) latest 2012 47% means 1.25 nearly 60cr

    Employment in agriculture (% of total employment) | Data | Table

    i b4 said..........By default every yr 1-2% Rural ppl MIGRATING to Urban (Inevitable) but don't make it 6%+
     
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    Why the hell not ?

    India tere baap ka hai?

    I seen enough of your spoiled child attitude in this thread and by default India is for Indians and it doesn't matter if they belong to rural part or Urban cities.

    Those rural kid help their parents in field and then home while you spoiled brats play video games and watch TV sitting in your comfy sits so don't tell me who belongs to city or who doesn't.
     
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    R u drunk i said pyscho mod deleted it
    and i think India tera baap ka hai slum do*:pound:
    They come citites and LIVE IN SLUMS yeah u r happy people live IN CITIES ALMOST 30% PEOPLE LIVE IN SLUM DOGS IN CITIES be happy
    yeah go on live HAPPY LIFE IN CITY SLUMS

    17% of urban India lives in slums: Census
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/19118219.cms

    54% of Mumbai lives in slums: World Bank
    http://infochangeindia.org/poverty/n...orld-bank.html
     
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    According to wiki and the labour report, total available labour in India is 470 million odd, and 50 % of this figure is Agri Labour.

    Read my above post regarding Smart Cities.
     
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    Leave WIKI plz many reports show 50% plus

    Boss still with SMART CITIES how can u expect those uneducated labor live in SMART CITIES :pound:

    They come cities & only live in SLUMS

    p.s i think u getting data in absolute numbers labor may be 470 mn what abt his(dependents) old age parents/wife &kids........include these numbers
     
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    guys stop fighting and consider a few points...
    1.india is already the largest producer of most food grains and fruits and vegetables...so people who are fearing dumping are unnecessarily being apprehensive...
    2.the food quality grown in a particular country is attuned to taste habits of the people...even if chinese give us rice...people wont like it..
    just as american wheat didnt cut much ice here back in 60s when we tried to import it.
    3.obviously per acre yield in most countries are higher...but to simple state their cost of food production is low...is fallacy..
    because input per yield is also far lower in india...and due to highly fertile lands..and cheaper labour..our farms produce well as compared to investment we make...on a general basis..now dont point out specific incidences of farmer suicides..because they are more to do with farm loan woes..and unscientific utilisation of that money...actually even our banks are on the verge of suicide in those states due to farmers simply not returning money..
    4.indian farm labour stands at 15 to 20 crores..and most of them are not farm labours alone....they do work in many organised sectors..like in brick kilns,fishing...construction...so most labourers are migrant workers who work for 4 months in fields and then switch to other jobs or to cities and again go back during harvest months...
    to think that they are uneducated and unsuitable for jobs is biggest mistake..infact u find them everywhere..right from building projects to irrigation canal works,fishing ,bund making..
    if this casual labour is drawn from agriculture and properly given a month training...they can fulfill labour shortages plagueing our infra projects..but in order to do that u need money..and that money frees up if u do not spend on farm waivers and food subsidy..harcly a fraction of it can be used to train this labour force..which is already quite skilled in doing multi faceted jobs..
    5.farmers in turn can be provided cheap elec,more training fetilizers,elec with that huge 1 lac crore set aside for food subsidy..thus increasing yield while lowering labour population...more prosperous villages...means more construction boom in small towns and big villages...eventually decongestion of big cities...so the fear of being mobbed in cities should be taken as an oppurtunity to build infra in small towns...
    this can only happen if farmer is holding bigger tracts of land and using modern methods..and more importantly exporting his food produce...rather than giving it to hoarders...
    6.the largest hoarder in the world ie.fci and othef hoarders will be out of business..cause if u try and sell onions at 80,no one will buy from u...question is will they die out...they to employ 5 crore people..answer is most likely no....they will become organised and start dealing in cold chains and stream line transportation mechanism for export..
    7.international competition often doesnt kill...especially at this mature stage when india itself is a agri giant...it will only make us more competitive...and the govt can always impose duties if and when need arises..that freedom is given to govts in the pact...albeit to what extent is indian point of negotiation..dont worry even usa wants that right for its farmers..if indeed we do away with duties..it is the west which will suffer..we will flood them and not them flooding us..
    8...lowered inflation will stimulate spending across all sections...and combined with cheap oil to be available from 2016..as usa has given permission for oil export from that date..brent going below 90 is not impossible..
    9.so it is an oppurtunity..to revive our agri and retail segment...and ordinarily it wouldng hav happened this quick...but owing to global pressure if this subsidy redirection occurs...it will be a paradigm shift....
    10. lastly..expect the govt. to negotiate toughly because wto is a consensus body...so overall indian concerns of food procurement by govt for drought or floods,in advance will be looked after,,,but what fci does now is mindless hoarding..then crop either gets siphoned off or wasted..so fci itself has an oppurtunity to improve..and if it does we can do with far lower emergency stocks..
     
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    Do you really believe if they had another choice they would not have chosen it?

    Your filthy attitude towards slum people just shows the essential point of your psyche and if you don't like them then do something for them ,i am sure they can do more hard work than you ever did in your spoiled life.
     
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    Smart cities are built for the purpose of accommodating migrating workforce and all .... read about smart city concept.
     

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