Modi wave in Maharshtra crushes Raj Thackeray's ambitions---for now

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    I am glad that Raj Thackeray has been silenced for now .

    two reasons for that---

    For one thing , maharashtrians were getting the tag of ' regionalists ' in the eyes of many due to Raj's statements and activities . Somewhere it hurt me , for we maharashtrians have given the nation some of it's greatest nationalists like Lokmanya Tilak , Veer Savarkar and Nathuram Godse . Now that maharashtrians have voted for BJP and Modi , I hope the regionalist tag is wiped off and people realise that we are part of the national mainstream .

    Secondly , Raj's MNS party was dividing the anti Congress vote in Maharashtra . But as of now the marathi voter has realised this folly and voted for BJP Shiv sena . This will keep Congress out of power ( hopefully ) in the upcoming Maharashtra assembly elections .
     
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    Re: Modi wave in Maharshtra crushes Raj Thackeray's ambitions---for no

    A big blow for Raj Thakeray.
     
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    Wait till assembly election when he is back on his outsider v/S insider plank and once again starts shouting
     
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    Re: Modi wave in Maharshtra crushes Raj Thackeray's ambitions---for no

    He must be having some deal with Modi, otherwise he's not someone who remains silent.
     
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    there is no doubt that nathuram godse was a nationalist , even though his nationalism will seem flawed to many . when he died he wanted his ashes to be preserved till the time when pakistan is reconquered by india , and then to be immersed in the sindhu ( indus ) river . till today his brother gopal godse has preserved his ashes hoping for the day india recaptures pakistan .

    such nationalism may seem madness to many , but to others it is in a league of it's own....
     
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    Nathuram Godse is no nationalist just like eating beef as you advocate won't make you courageous.

    Any idiot now saying India-Pakistan should merge should be deported to Pakistan.

    And please read Savarakar's letters when he was incarcerated. Esp his mercy petition.

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    godse didnt say it now---the fact that india pak should merge . he said it in 1948 , when the wounds of partition were still raw and many people still had homes and women in pakistan---homes and women which the pakistanis had grabbed . today of course only an idiot will want the barbaric pakistanis back--let them roast in the hell of their own creation . we dont want to join them .

    about savarkar's mercy petition . admitted he did submit it . so what ?? that does not mean he was not a nationalist . do you think it is easy to live in the horror of kaala paani---the hell hole of imprisonment in andamans ?? probably he cracked under the torture he underwent there .
    do you think gandhi and nehru would have not cracked under such brutal treatment ?? the prisons they went to were dens of luxury compared to the horror that savarkar went through .
     
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    Even with benefit of hindsight you are defending Godse ?

    Gandhi was right in agreeing to partition.

    Jinnah is a goddamn hero for asking for it.


    Gandhi inspired generations to not cower in the face of the enemy

    Savarkar's letters spanning decades show his class.

    How many freedom fighters lodged in Cellular jail sent multiple mercy petitions ?

    How many promised to behave and join the Imperial army ?

    Why should Savarkar's name been even remembered ?

    There are far more more worthy people who gave up their lives but not the cause.

    Did Sarabha Bhagat Singh Rajguru Ashfaqullah etc beg British mercy and promise to become their agents ?




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    godse didnt have the hindsight that i have . in 1948 many indian people wanted pakistan back . godse was not the only one .

    partition was not wrong , but the real reason why godse killed gandhi is different . the decision to kill gandhi was taken by him when gandhi went on a fast to release 55 crore rupees to pakistan . both sardar patel and nehru were dead opposed to giving the amount to pakistan . yet gandhi went on fast to force them to give it . when the money was given to pak on gandhi forced insistence , what did pak use it for---pakistan used it to finance their attack on kashmir .

    so the 1948 kashmir war was fought by pakistan against india using money given by india !! among all nations only india is stupid enough to finance a war against itself....
    and only one man was stupid enough to force india to finance a war against itself---gandhi....not even nehru was so stupid for he opposed giving the money to pak .
    not for nothing has a colonel of the indian army wailed in a marathi book he wrote---why is the misfortune of my country such that all the mahatmas are born only here....??!!
    obviously godse was angered by such stupidity and he did what he did . not everyone was willing to partake in gandhi's collosal perfidies....
     
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    Bhagat Singh Rajguru Ashfaqullah didnt have to undergo kaala paani . death is easier than kaala paani .

    if savarkar was not able to withstand the horror of kaala paani like other freedom fighters then it does not take away his nationalism . does cracking under torture make him a person without nationalism ??

    forget it singh , i dont want to convert a raj thackeray thread into savarkar gandhi godse thread . i am quitting this discussion and will rejoin only if the original topic is discussed .
     
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    Djinnah was undoubtedly an incarnation of lord Shiva. He is my hero for doing the greatest service to modern India by taking Pak and BD away.
     
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    Also to @Sakal Gharelu Ustad

    Lets set the record straight.

    Pakistan was due 75 crores as decided by the Tribunal and India 400-470 crores.

    Pakistan was already paid 20 crores. 55 crores was withheld when hostilities broke out in kashmir.

    Gandhiji was in Delhi, fasting to protest Partition violence not for 55 crores explicitly.

    At the time refugees coming from Pakistan and local hindus were attacking Muslims of Delhi forcing them to flee. And then there was partition violence and ill-will between Indo-Pak.

    GoI decided to give 55 crores to Pakistan which it was due in a bid to diffuse tension. India's independence won by the ideals of Gandhi would not be marred by killings and unethical behaviour ie the ideals of Jinnah.

    And before you blame Gandhi for giving Pakistan what is was due to them:
    I don't see you criticise any govt for following IWT and giving Pakistan water ? Surely Pakistan has done much more damage since 47-48.

    Why don't we renege those treaties ?





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    Gandhi made lots of mistake from the beginning of his career . Nehru and Patel too wanted to get rid of Gandhi so security check was weak. Gandhi was really the true Safety Valve of British.
    @Bangalorean lol.
     
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    Here is one of the many savarkar mercy petitions, detailing the execrutiating torture (not)

    Sorry saar but I don't have a high opinion of him.



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    There is a difference between being realist and idealist. Except Gandhi almost everyone was opposed to giving those 55crores to Pak. Ever questioned why?

    You need to realize Gandhi did not have best solution to each and every problem(at least in this case).
     
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