Modi vs Rahul and BJP vs Congress

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    The intricate politics of a maternity ward

    MJ Akbar

    The British metaphor for a political party is a broad church. It must have substantial space for an elastic congregation, continually tempted by wayward choices in the absence of hard doctrine. There is God, of course; but as an idea rather than an ideology. And in any case God created the conditions for democracy when He blessed, or cursed, the human being with free will.

    The magic potion of democracy is options. There lies the problem, for this potion is not a glue for discipline, with its attendant terrors. The parson’s primary responsibility is to keep any sermon lucid but limp to cover a multiplicity of views, and ensure order inside and outside the church. But, since power breeds politics more often than politics leads to power, passions climb sharply whenever the bells of public opinion announce that the time has come for change. An Indian political party, being Indian, is more akin to a joint family locked in a church. Anyone who thinks this is good news, has lost touch with family. A joint family is patriarchal in structure, which provides a veneer of stability, but, in the subterranean world of undertones, authority is constantly measured by utility. Loyalty is a variable virtue qualified by beehive ambitions. Kinship is no guarantee of peace. The Mahabharata was a family quarrel run through intense politics.

    The high point of tension is palpable in the excitement of a maternity ward, when the future is being born. The BJP’s inner struggles were accentuated by the fact that a shift was taking place at a pregnant rather than passive moment in national affairs. Ever previous transition, including the one which carried Atal Behari Vajpayee and Lal Krishna Advani to pre-eminence, happened when the prospect of power was at best theoretical for the party. For the first time BJP is nominating a leader who is not only a potential prime minister, but also perceived as one who can energise the leap to office. An heir is being enthroned in the presence of a patriarch.

    All prime ministers are potential until they have uttered that hallowed oath of office: mundane words to us, but almost mystical to politicians. Delhi has a thick log book of PM-claimants who stumbled on the stairs of the President’s palace where the anointment takes place. That final climb demands reservoirs of energy and clarity which you barely knew you possessed.

    There are two critical requirements if you want the keys to this hallowed kingdom. You need ability. Alas, this is a negotiable asset. There have been prime ministers and presidents, in India as often as elsewhere, whose skills did not extend beyond finding the right corner for a postage stamp. The second component is more relevant. You have to have luck. Ability is important; luck is compulsory.

    Narendra Modi has shown definite ability in Gujarat. We shall know soon enough if he can convert that into enough votes to carry him to national office. But what is indisputable is that he has the required quota of luck. One of the startling facts of the past year’s politics is the manner in which each one of his vocal or silent opponents has bled away credibility through self-inflicted wounds. Fortune has helped in minor ways as well. On the eve of BJP’s crucial Goa session, for instance, thanks to an electoral calendar that no one could have preordained, Modi overwhelmed Congress in Gujarat by-elections. This generated unstoppable momentum in Goa.

    Modi owes a deep debt of gratitude to two politicians for his rise: Dr Manmohan Singh and his nominated successor Rahul Gandhi. In public perception he represents everything that Dr Singh lacks. He is articulate. Right or wrong, you know where he stands. He promises strong governance, rather than a waffled approach to policy and partners. Voters hope he will control corruption and ensure accountability because he is tough. Dr Singh’s weakness has become Narendra Modi’s strength. The electorate yearns for a leader who is both right and forthright. For five years, Dr Singh has been neither.

    Rahul Gandhi could have filled the vacuum left by Dr Singh’s retreat. He had time, opportunity and goodwill, but never the answers to crises manufactured by his own government. Inane statements — ‘I will crush my dreams to fulfil yours’ — only highlight the urgent need for a better speechwriter. Perhaps Rahul Gandhi lost his way after the shattering defeat in the UP Assembly elections 18 months ago, but he represents nothing at the moment except a lapse, perhaps temporary, of genetic luck.

    No battle is lost until it is fought. The camps are finally in place, commanders named. Both God-fearing parson and indulgent patriarch will surely offer a blessing for the good of the country: May the best man win. They needn’t worry. The best man will.

    The intricate politics of a maternity ward by The Siege Within : MJ Akbar's blog-The Times Of India

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    There is no doubt that Modi is lucky as MJ puts it.

    Indeed, his sweep in Gujarat was not thought to be feasible, given all the issues that were being raised about his rule or his claim of development. The Congress was very vociferous about all that, but then it appears Fortune Favours the Brave.

    It is also true that Modi represents everything that Manmohan and Rahul does not represent, though they should have.

    One knows where Modi stands, but one does not know Manmohan or Rahul's stand on issues, except some vague claims that borders on crass and misguided populism and that is not the right mantra at a time when the country faces a crisis, in politics, defence, economy and so on. One has to be articulate, clear-minded and decisive. One cannot worth bumbling along or even giving he perception of a rudderless Nation meandering from crisis to crisis.

    Rahul Gandhi, on the other hand, appears to many as an overgrown school child- high on meaningless and inane rhetoric and low on substance, the latest being - ‘I will crush my dreams to fulfil yours’ . Appears more of dialogue from a Bollywood movie, - the scene being the fiery labour union leader exhorting the labour on strike. Totally mushy!

    Interestingly, Sanjay Jha claimed Rahul Gandhi was a great national leader as he has repeatedly criss crossed the nation, while Modi was Gujarat based and has not seen the real Nation. To this, the BJP spokesman (I can't remember which) said, possibly a wee bit catty, "That was to collect Flying Miles".possibly meaning collecting points for the Frequent Flyer programmes of the airlines!

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating. The Election will indicate which of them is best for the Nation. Let the best Man win!
     
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    Two leading men but who’ll sweep the political BO?


    Shobhaa De



    Why are we so damn coy about admitting a basic Indian hang up? Yes, we are a nation of groupies and chamchas, okay? We thrive on personality cults. We enjoy the games we create around those we bestow this status on. We have always done it. Always. From Nehru and Gandhi to errrr.... several more Gandhis. And now we have a brand new man in the race — Modi. Welcome to the club, guys! Watch what we do with you! Now that it is official, and we actually have two names in the ring, we can look forward to a full-scale cult war. What fun.

    Rahul Gandhi's cult following existed even before he'd left the maternity hospital. Even as a toddler, it was understood he would be the Chosen One someday. Narendra Modi was born a nobody — he has been expertly moulded into a cult figure by his admirers. Modi's positioning is an artificial construct. If Rahul's elevation as the Congress party's prime ministerial candidate was always a given, Modi's nomination has been a fiercely fought over turf war. Both candidates had two senior citizens standing in the way. Since it was agreed India is no country for old men, the poor stalwarts had to step aside, but not before putting up a valiant fight. Mr Greybeard (Manmohan Singh) made the first move when he declared feebly that he'd be happy to work under Rahul Gandhi. This was seen as a pathetic surrender, considering he may have actually dangled the bonny prince on his knee. But Modi had to muscle his way past BJP patriarch LK Advani who was in no mood to say, 'Pehley aap...."

    Well, we now have two bachelors in the fray. Rahul is a cutie, India's dimpled darling. Modi is a fire-spewing orator whose only known love affair is with his own reflection. Rahul likes the ladies. He also likes gentlemen. In other words, he is charming, sociable and hard to resist. Modi's appeal is more raw. He doesn't speak — he thunders. Sartorially speaking, Modi is far more vain, picking his kurtas and jackets with flair and daring. Rahul knows he looks amazing, regardless of what he wears. Both sport clipped beards (Rahul shaves his off from time to time). Modi's style of making speeches is that of a seasoned politician — solid dramabaazi. Rahul is best when he speaks from the heart and sounds like an earnest school boy. When the two go head-to-head, my guess is Rahul will have an edge, only because he comes across so utterly, heart breakingly naive. I mean, take his last speech where he promised to 'crush' his own dreams, so the people of India can have theirs. Let's stay with that remark for now. What did he actually mean? That his personal dream is different from the average Indian dream? That he is making a huge sacrifice in order to serve India? When he adds, "I want to make your dreams mine...." Is he admitting that isn't the case so far? We are on a different dream page? Oh dear! Never mind. It sounded sweet. We'll wait for his dreams to catch up with ours. That's a billion plus dreams to catch up on. But, so what?

    Modi's dreams so far have been restricted to Gujarat. He too has a lot of national dreams to catch up on. But Modi is an impatient man, a fast learner and demonically ambitious. He won't wait for anybody else's dreams. He'll make sure his dream becomes every Indian's dream. Smart chap. There's Rahul offering a humble roti to every citizen. And here's Modi offering a heavily laden yummy Gujju thali! Ironically, the BJP had long accused the Congress of creating a personality cult. Today, the BJP has taken the same route with Modi. It is sickening to listen to senior BJP leaders singing Modi's praises, like nobody else counts in the party. Perhaps nobody does. But must it be made so damn obvious? Where does this battle between two 'heroes' leave us? That's a little like asking die-hard Bollywood fans to pick between their favourite leading men. After the Eid Milaap hug, SRK and Salman Khan may have kissed and made up but their fans haven't. Just as there can be just one Big Boss in Bollywood, the country is also looking for that one superstar to helm a multi-billion dollar, blockbuster called India. Rahul and Modi have a shot at breaking every known previous record and creating their own mega hit that will make the 100-crore club in Bollywood sound like a poor man's even poorer joke. Not for nothing are movies called dream factories. The year 2014 will establish whose dreams create political box office history — RaGa's or NaMo's.

    Two leading men but who’ll sweep the political BO? by Politically Incorrect : Shobhaa De's blog-The Times Of India
     
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    Is Rahul a match for Modi?

    Why is he being shielded?

    He is a man and not a sacrificial goat!

    Give the poor bloke a chance to prove himself and take on Modi.

    I am sure he can do it.
     
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    Why Rahul is being shielded. Ans: He is being save for the last battle do or die. Err it is mostly die no do.
     
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    If Rahul Gandhi becomes the PM candidate and looses, it will impact his image really badly.

    Congress has no other choice but to continue with MMS and allow BJP to take this one.
     
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    @ Ray seriously Sir ji posting an article by Shobha De that too on Indian politics?

    Modi has become the epitome of hardwork, success against all odds versus Pappu who is famous for statements like "politics is in your shirt/pant".

    But given excel at making a fool of themselves one should not be surprise if there is UPA III
     
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    I like to embrace all type of views since we must take a considered opinion and not pre determined opinion.
     
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    Dear Sir, after reading this I do not consider it an opinion even worth to be discussed

    PS: Article written by cocktail circuit not worth pondering upon
     
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    We dont want a Rahul vs Modi face-off

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    the congress spokes person announced today that they are not interested in a rahul vs modi faceoff,and rahul gandhi is not eagerly waiting a pm candidate but thinking of poor dalits and tribal welfare.
    they pointed out that sonia gave up PM post in 2004 and 2009.

    the article also points out the limited capabilities of rahulgandhi in active politics and doubts of congress allies over his capabilities which is congress aware of

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    re: We dont want a Rahul vs Modi face-off

    Congi's are scared now :scared1:
     
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    re: We dont want a Rahul vs Modi face-off

    This is the problem of our politicians. They worry too much about their votebank and do not care much about the nation as a whole.
     
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    PM post no big deal for Rahul: Congress

    NEW DELHI: Amid mounting pressure to project Rahul Gandhi as its prime ministerial face, Congress on Monday reiterated that the top post was not important for the Nehru-Gandhi scion, hinting that the party is not in a hurry to declare its PM candidate.

    Congress argued that the country needed a national leader like Rahul who fought for the poor, tribals and aam aadmi and not a mere prime minister. However, the party maintained that it had an open mind on the issue and would take a call as per "national need" at the appropriate time.

    "The post of prime minister is a small thing for him (Rahul). He is keen to work for the uplift of the poor," Congress spokesman Bhakta Charan Das said.

    The comment was seen as an attempt to avoid a direct face-off with BJP strongman Narendra Modi in the run-up to the 2014 Lok Sabha polls.

    With BJP declaring Modi as its prime ministerial nominee, pressure is mounting on Congress to project Rahul as its PM face.

    The ruling party taunted Modi, saying its vice-president was a national leader with a pan-India outlook. "Rahul Gandhi is a national leader as he fought for the poor, tribals and aam aadmi," Das said. Slamming Modi, he said, "He (Gandhi) is not like those who become prime minister due to some arithmetic."

    The party said becoming prime minister was "not a big thing" for a leader like Rahul, who is more interested in taking up the cause of weaker sections, dalits and tribals.

    The party's stand is that it has never projected any candidate for the post of prime minister. This wasn't done in 2004. In 2009, Manmohan Singh was projected only on the day of manifesto release as late as March.

    The party also asked why the Gujarat chief minister had not done anything for the welfare of retired soldiers in his state while he was trying to woo ex-servicemen in Haryana. "They should have been given five acres land each," said Das.

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    So the biggest and the most prestigious post in the country "is no big deal" for the crown prince. There is a level to which these Congress camchaas can stoop to. Being a PM of this country is a matter of pride and honour, just the way serving in the armed forces. You have the power to make a difference by action rather than showing pittance with words.

    What can be more important than serving the nation as a PM?
    How can Rahul Gandhi uplift the poor with even taking a cabinet post?
    Can he not make a lot more impact towards up-liftment of poor by becoming the PM and framing policies accordingly?
    Doesn't such statements belittle the post of a PM? Does it reiterate the fact that whosoever is the PM, the remote control is in the hands of the Gandhi family?

    The Congress has made it quite obvious that they will not name any PM candidate in the run-up to the election.
     
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    On one hand the MMS making a hue cry in the parliament that no other country calls the PM chor. On the other hand his own party worker belittle the post of the Prime minister by stating that becoming the PM is 'no big deal'.
     
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    re: We dont want a Rahul vs Modi face-off

    What the fcuk was that ? :confused:

    Rahul fought ? He is nothing but a BIG FART [​IMG]

    Bhakta Charan Das another Smelly Fart [​IMG]
     
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    re: We dont want a Rahul vs Modi face-off

    There can't be a Modi vs. Rahul face-off, because Rahul's Indian citizenship is questionable, his administrative experience zilch, and his political competence below zero. Let him strain his little brain on tribal welfare, while Modi thinks about the welfare of all 1.25 billion Indians.
     
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    re: We dont want a Rahul vs Modi face-off

    "Rahul vs Modi face-off"

    Why not? Let them tour the country, and have face-offs, with a moderator, and an audience, and have it televised. As long as it is a civilized debate, a face-off is an excellent idea.
     
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    Good idea however, would Mommy allow that to happen ? I don't think so...
     
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    Re: We dont want a Rahul vs Modi face-off

    oh please spare us.....

    its better he dont use it.

    its said better to have a strong enemy than useless friend
     
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    rahul baba dont like a face off with mean and "communal" modi
     
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    Re: We dont want a Rahul vs Modi face-off

    U know problem with that would be single question which modi would be asked is whether he feels remosre for what happened in gujarat riots and untill he gives direct ans there would be now other questions
     
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