Modi strikes poribartan chord in Bengal

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    Modi strikes poribartan chord in Bengal

    Source: Modi strikes poribartan chord in Bengal - The Times of India

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    If Modi cannot target Mamata, then what is the point in all this drama? WB's biggest problem is Mamata, who rules on the support of her goons. Law and order is worse than it was under Buddhadeb Bhattacharya.
     
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    That's your opinion about Mamata, opinion polls suggest something else about Momata and her popularity.
     
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    Nope. It was my opinion about Modi, that he is talking big but scared to challenge Mamata.
     
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    NDA needs every ally it can muster. Pre poll or post poll, doesn't matter. Worst case scenraio for TCP, Mamata gets 15-20 seats from Bengal, with an estimated 230-240 seats predicted for current NDA alliance, they need to make up their numbers. It's better to avoid foot in mouth syndrome later by not blabbering today.
     
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    It is very tough for Modi to make any inroads into Bengal atleast this point of time... BJP simply lacks the organizational streangth to challenge TMC or that matter CPM...

    It seems that Mamata will take away atleast 30 seats out of 45 if not more...
     
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    If TMC can win 30/42 seats, it means, she still is respected by Bengalis. So I really cant understand the negative vibe the Non- Bengalis are talking regarding Mamata... So what exactly is going on in WB. Is Mamata good or bad, obviously in comparison to CPI(M)?
     
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    BJP has no presence in Bengal as such.

    Therefore, it was surprising to see such a large crowd there at the Brigade Parade Ground, where Modi addressed.

    It appears that while BJP does not strike a chord in Bengal, maybe Modi does.

    Checking back with many, I found that most were glued to the TV screen during Modi's address.
     
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    It is basically to ensure that Bengal is Mamata's turf and Bengal should allow an edgeway to BJP so that the BJP is at the Centre and Bengal is given the Benefits that UPA has not conceded.

    Modi said so in his address.

    He sure is a cool customer!
     
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    Things are more difficult for Modi, he is challenger for PM position in centre, he has to trade with caution, further one can give him benefit of doubt because dictating a state chief will be beyond his scope of practise being a candidate of PMship.
     
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    no matter wht u say, mamata is popular in wb.

    Measured attack is needed. Bjp isn't strong there. Need for post poll alliance.

    Strong attack doesn't give votes there. May backfire there.
     
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    Mamata's rule is the same as Jyoti Basu's rule, and is worse than Buddhadeb Bhattacharya's rule, IMHO.
     
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    he know importance of west bangla , wait for some time you will get surprise in 2014 election
     
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    Modi factor propels the rise of BJP, RSS in West Bengal

    Kolkata: The Narendra Modi wave seems to have reached the Bengal shores, indicated by the more than two-fold increase in the membership of the BJP's state unit. A BJP leader in West Bengal claimed that the total membership has increased from 3 lakh in 2011 to more than 7 lakh in 2013.

    Two lakh new members have enrolled in the last six months, which party leaders have attributed to Modi's anointment as the prime ministerial candidate.
    The ABVP, youth wing of the BJP, too witnessed a surge in its membership with the enrolment of 45,000 new activists in the last one year, BJP spokesperson and co-in-charge of the party's Bengal unit Siddhinath Singh told PTI. He further claimed that the BJP's minority and women's wings too witnessed a 50 per cent jump in membership.


    Singh said, "Two factors are responsible for the expanding BJP membership in West Bengal: Declaration of Modi as PM candidate by the party and the lack of an opposition worth the name in the state." The senior BJP leader noted that such enthusiasm had previously been witnessed on two occasions. First, during the Ram Mandir agitation in the early 90s and during Atal Bihari Vajpayee's rule at the Centre.

    "The charisma of Modi working in the entire country is also having its impact in Bengal and we will prove it during Modi's rally in Kolkata on February 5," Singh asserted. The BJP and the RSS have traditionally never been able to make much of an impact in West Bengal, though the party's former avatar Jan Sangh was co-founded by the son of the soil, Shyama Prasad Mukherjee.

    The 27 per cent Muslim community in the state, which wields a considerable influence in at least 140 Assembly constituencies out of 294, plays a key role in the power sweepstake, courted aggresively by all frontline political parties.

    With a real Opposition missing in West Bengal after the fall of the mighty Left in 2011, the BJP has been slowly working to make its presence felt, especially in the rural areas of south Bengal taking help of Modi's rising graph. This was reflected in the 2012 Lok Sabha by-poll in Jangipur in Murshidabad district where the BJP candidate polled an impressive 85,867 votes, nearly 10 per cent of the total votes cast representing an eight per-cent rise over votes polled in 2009.

    While President Pranab Mukherjee's son Abhijit won by a paper-thin margin of 2,500 votes in the by-poll, the BJP candidate stood third. This was significant considering the constant 3-6 per cent votes it had bagged over the last two decades, except in 1991-92 when the vote share of the BJP dramatically rose to nearly 16 per cent riding piggyback on the Ram Mandir issue.

    BJP state president Rahul Sinha said, "The vote share of the BJP decreased after it allied with the Trinamool Congress in 1998-99. But after the Left parties suffered a rout in the 2011 Assembly election, voters are looking for a new Opposition which can checkmate the Trinamool Congress."

    The panchayat and the municipal polls in 2013 are also marked by a rise in the BJP's vote share and narrowing down of the margins of loss of BJP candidates. A breakthrough was the defeat of Left candidate and Mayor Mamata Jaiswal at the hands of BJP's Gita Rai in the municipal polls in Howrah.

    The popularity of the BJP can also be sensed from near about 425 applicants from various strata of society who have expressed their desire to contest as BJP candidates in 42 Lok Sabha seats in the coming Lok Sabha polls. BJP's ideological twin RSS too has been making steady inroads in south and north Bengal with the grievances and alleged minority appeasement policies of the ruling party playing a role.

    He cited the instance of grant of allowance to 30,000 imams of the state, which has been termed by the Calcutta High Court as unconstitutional. The expansion of the RSS was first noticed by a three-day youth workshop of the organisation in the state last year after a gap of 20 years under the leadership of its chief Mohan Bhagwat, followed by an increase in the number of shakas/branches in every part of the state.

    An RSS official said, "The RSS has been growing in the last two and a half years. In south Bengal now we have 280 sakhas and in north Bengal we are presently having more than 700 branches." The BJP and RSS expansion has been grudgingly admitted by both the ruling Trinamool Congress and Left parties.
    CPI leader AB Bardhan said, "Yes, there is a rise of BJP and RSS in West Bengal." He, however, sought to put the blame for it on the TMC and its "soft" approach towards the saffron party and a "covert" pact with the communal forces. He dismissed the contention that the BJP was trying to fill the space left vacant by the retreating Left parties.

    "We also have reports of increase in the support base of the BJP and RSS in Bengal, but that is not due to absence of a strong opposition," CPI(M) central committee member Basudeb Achariya said. He referred to both BJP and TMC's soft-pedalling each other, asking "can you show a single issue on which the BJP has run a campaign against Trinamool?"

    TMC MP Sultan Ahmed, however, claimed, "CPI(M) supporters are switching over to the BJP as their mother party is in a disarray thus explaining the BJP and RSS' rise."

    State Congress president Pradip Bhattacharya told PTI, "I don't agree with what BJP is claiming. It will be proved in the coming Lok Sabha election." Muslim cleric Maulana Barkati agreed to the contention that lack of a strong opposition in West Bengal is resulting in the rise of the BJP and the RSS. "The state is ruled by a secular government and not by atheists like the communists; so the BJP and other parties with religious leanings are having their space. It is a good sign for democracy," Barkati said.

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    Why RSS couldn't establish its strongbase in WB so far? your thoughts please...
     
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    As a person not aligned to either TMC / Mamta or CPM , from a neutral perspective would say Mamata has shown willingness to work for people, leaving aside her eccentricity or temperamental whatever you may say...

    One is for sure, Mamata is down to earth and honest person and giving her best effort [ unlike we see Kejriwal’s show bazzi, even Mamta travel on a descent Santro Car, if I am not wrong ] to set things right inspite of severe financial crunch created by 32 years of financial mismanagement by the earlier communist government. Common people in West Bengal sees that she is trying hard and giving her best effort although we want more success in employment generation and good governance, I believe WB people will give some more time to her and then judge their performance.

    Mamta has also shown the willingness to crack whip when there is a requirement, she has successfully management the Gorkhaland agitation by arresting their leaders and cutting wages for those who bunked their office to attend protest marches etc etc…
    The downside is that as is the case with all other political parties, she has to work with some peoples around her who are indulging in corruption… very recently she has removed some very senior ministers on non performance issues…

    Regarding the Non Bengali’s negative vibe, as a person well travelled and worked around the country, I find then smack with ignorance and some attitude problem against the people of Bengal… I have found more political issues working in Noida / Delhi than in Kolkata… Every place has their own working styles which is different than others, one need to get adjusted to it… Another reason is stereo typing Bengal based on what it went through 50 years back and it helps perfectly on political ground to defame Bengal when it has moved forward from past… I know you will give Singur incident, but that is a political issue that was severely mis managed by the Communists.
     
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    @kseeker BJP has long long way to go in WB... 7 Lakh members is pea nuts in comparison to TMC or CPM, both have the strong structure and the muscle power to back them up... but the general people in WB like Modi on its good governance and industrialization provided in his state... but that will not count on increase in votes for BJP...

    If BJP does a good showing in 2014 election and gets around 220 seats then I will not be surprised Mamata supporting them just to have some clout with central government which she have lost after parting ways with Congress…

    WB is the state who has given leader like N. Chatterjee and S.P. Mukherjee considered to be right of center and RSS sympathizer... but still we do not see BJP or Jan Sangh converting them into votes...
     
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    Bengalis have produced some great religious sages & thinkers, but they do not wear religion on their sleeve, nor get fundamentalist about religion.

    Religion is in their heart but not usually for showing their fervour outwardly except for festivals.

    So, that is why the RSS hss not msfe any headway.

    Yet, it might appear paradoxical that we had a leader in Shyama Prasad Mukherjee, who was a Congressman and a Minister in Nehru's Cabinet and later was the founder of the Bhartiya Jan Sangh. His father was another icon in Bengal, Ashutosh Mukherjee, a well-respected advocate in Bengal, who became the Vice-Chancellor of the University of Calcutta, and his mother was Lady Jogmaya Devi Mookerjee.

    Though he was a tolerant person and favourably inclined towards the Muslims and was against the Partition of India, the Noakhali genocide in East Bengal left a strong impression on his mind and he strongly disfavored Hindus continuing to live in a Muslim-dominated state and under a government controlled by the Muslim League.

    And surprisingly as it seems, he wanted the Hindu Mahasabha not to be restricted to Hindus alone or work as apolitical body for the service of masses. Following the assassination of Mohandas K. Gandhi by Nathuram Godse, the Mahasabha was blamed chiefly for the heinous act and became deeply unpopular. Mookerjee himself condemned the murder.

    He is an example of the of the balancing spiritual religion with the temporal aspects that prevails in Bengal.
     
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    Sir the present situation in Bengal is a very tricky one.TMC has nearly 35-40% voters and CPI(M) nearly 30%.Congress with nearly 19% and BJP with Modi can garner nearly 14%.
    Put an ear out and you can hear an unofficial alliance between CPI(M) and CONGRESS(no confirmation in any way-rumours are everything).In such a situation their alliance(unofficial) can beat TMC by far in many seats.So BJP is somewhat a need for TMC.But a pre-poll alliance would rob TMC of its muslim vote-bank-nearly 30%-that would be catastrophic.So the situation is a little tricky.

    This rise of BJP is a calculated move by the TMC to nullify the effect of the fence-sitting voters who are not so amused with her reign-otherwise she is not a person who tolerates rising opposition and that is quite evident from the municipal and panchayat election.She clearly had enough muscle power to turn this rally into the biggest flop show of Modi.

    Also she won't join a left-dominated Third Front and neither with the Congress.A natural conclusion will be she would sideline with the BJP.That was much evident from her speech too-She stopped short of criticizing the BJP much-she only came up with a phase "danga-r mukh"--(she couldn't have done without mentioning it since she would have been criticized heavily without it-she can easily nullify that with court-order) and came up with a "ekla cholo re" strategy.Also Rajnath Singh sympathized with her demand for wavier of interest.
    I think an post-poll alliance is clear and a hazy trail of it was the intent of both the parties.
     
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    This is also your opinion that you were actually talking about Modi.
     
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    After so many years of doldrums in governance, growth and horrifying law and order under the Communists, Bengal opted for Poriborton (change) and Mamata Bannerjee was elected and she continues to win all levels of elections.

    Except for law and order and not being able to give confidence to the industry and investors, only the bigot will say that there has been no progress. There has been progress.

    However, TMC has not been able to deliver wherein the State stabilised and progressed and people could live in peace.

    In short, Bengal requires a strong and heavy hand, but that is fair.

    Modi appears to many as the person who will be able to cut out the gas and cosmetics and get on with the order.

    There are many who actually want Modi, but will not show it publicly (as those who were glued to the TV when he spoke at the Brigade Parade Ground) and will show it only at the ballot box or EVM, provided that the BJP takes a chance to field candidates in all the constituencies.

    In North Bengal, above the Murshidabad, Malda belt, it has a huge Bihari population and they are traders. It seems to be growing to be a BJP country!

    Bengal will throw up surprises, provided the BJP can take the risk.

    I might remind that Bengal would not be voting for the BJP per se. They would be voting for Modi!
     
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    Bengalis are by and large secular. They feel a bit of shame to overtly wear a religious badge on their sleeves. The biggest religious events are more like festivals than purely religious affairs, which is open to and participated by people of every religion. That is why BJP was shunned till now. However people are realizing that the "communal" liable of BJP is 90% propaganda and 10% fact, and is none the worse than other political parties, and slowly warming up to them.
     
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