Modi: Pak tried to make a spectacle of talks by meeting separatists

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    Pak tried to make a spectacle of talks by meeting separatist leaders: Modi - The Times of India

    NEW DELHI: Breaking his silence on cancellation of talks, Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday said India was "disappointed" as Pakistan wanted to make a "spectacle" by meeting separatist leaders but said efforts will continue to build peaceful, friendly and cooperative ties with Pakistan.

    He laid the ground rules for future talks, asserting that "any meaningful bilateral dialogue necessarily requires an environment that is free from terrorism and violence".

    In an interaction with the Japanese media, he said "India desires peaceful, friendly and cooperative ties with Pakistan.... India has no hesitation to discuss any outstanding issue with Pakistan within the bilateral framework that has been established under the Simla Agreement and the Lahore Declaration".

    He was responding when asked about the cancellation of foreign secretary-level talks which were scheduled for August 25 in Islamabad after Pakistan high commissioner to India Abdul Basit had met Kashmiri separatist leaders here prior to that.

    "We .. were disappointed that Pakistan sought to make a spectacle of these efforts and went ahead with talks with secessionist elements from Jammu & Kashmir in New Delhi just prior to the meeting of the foreign secretaries," Modi said.

    At the same time, he added, "We will continue to make efforts to build peaceful, friendly and cooperative ties with Pakistan."

    He recalled that he had a "very good meeting" with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in May, 2014, when he attended the swearing-in ceremony of his government here.

    "We together decided that the foreign secretaries should meet and explore how to take relations forward," he noted.
     
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    Re: Modi: Pak tried to make a spectacle of talks by meeting separatist

    Any talk with Pakistan isn't going to succeed even in next 100 years. Pakistani army really don't want to belittle its dominance by reaching peace settlement with India.
     
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    This was a desperate move by Modi to appease his ultra rightwing supporters. Many in India remain skeptical about this move.
     
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    Re: Modi: Pak tried to make a spectacle of talks by meeting separatist

    Modi’s first major mistake

    By Aakar Patel
    August 24, 2014

    After he took charge as prime minister, Narendra Modi did several things that reversed his election promises. For instance, India’s unique identification system, the biometric capturing of citizens, was something Modi was vehemently opposed to. The fear was that illegals, meaning Bangladeshis, would acquire a sort of legal status or avail of state benefits they were not entitled to through this registry.
    However, Modi changed his mind on this issue, apparently after a single briefing from the system’s architect, Nandan Nilekani, the Infosys billionaire who has quit industry and turned to social work.
    I think this reversal was an excellent thing, both for the fact that it kept a good project going and the idea that Modi was pragmatic and supple enough to change his stated position. Governing complex nations requires that one bend a little on principles every now and then. Modi knows this and his record in Gujarat on growth and distribution is a reflection of this pragmatism.
    But I have always felt that when it comes to Pakistan, it would be different. The strong sentiment that Modi displayed against our western neighbour during the campaign was deeply felt and irreversible. A dislike, perhaps, the real word is hatred, of Pakistan is not just a part of Modi’s rhetoric or campaign posturing. It is a part of his world view.
    The cancelling of the foreign-secretary level talks by India is an aspect of that. It relieves Modi from engaging on friendly terms with a subject that he doesn’t really want to. We should expect that while the flexible Modi will appear again and perhaps often, on other foreign policy issues, including Bangladesh, he will remain unyielding where Pakistan is concerned.
    Reports say that the prime minister personally made the decision to pull out of the talks, going over the head of foreign minister Sushma Swaraj. I don’t know if this is true, but it would not be surprising to me if it were. It fits both Modi’s go-it-alone style and his ideology, to have personally-driven policy in this matter.
    Though most Indian newspapers supported Modi on pulling out of talks, I think it is a mistake. It is the first major mistake Modi made since coming to power. The decision has been taken on the basis of emotion and irritation.
    Not much will come out of it, and India will likely have to reverse its decision unless we expect Pakistan to stop talking to the Hurriyat, which it won’t. Deciding to pull out has given us the temporary illusion of being in charge. However, if Pakistan does not bend on this, then again the pressure to take a decision on resumption will be on India.
    The world will not be supportive of India on this move, particularly if tensions rise again. It is difficult to justify the decision Modi took purely on the basis of the background.
    A report in The Indian Express captured this aspect perfectly: “Frankly, I can’t see much sense in making a meeting with the Hurriyat a touchstone for India-Pakistan relations,” analyst Ajai Sahni of the Institute for Conflict Management in New Delhi was quoted as saying, “it’s almost as if the government is saying we can live with Pakistan shooting our troops at the Line of Control, but having tea with secessionists — that’s unforgivable”.
    We will have to wait to see which country, whether Pakistan or India, will retreat, but like I said, I don’t think Modi is particularly interested in talking to Pakistan. This means that he has to sacrifice the other aspects of our relationship, meaning trade and transit and such things, which are all part of the larger dialogue with Pakistan.
    The question is whether he will bring this unbending approach to other sectors, for instance education, genetically modified foods and such things that interest the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh. My guess is that in these things he will not be uncompromising, and that is a good thing. It is on Pakistan that his instinct takes over and unfortunately for us, it is the one area where there is always potential for danger, given the history. It would have been more prudent for Modi to have kept the dialogue going.

    Modi’s first major mistake – The Express Tribune
     
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    The decision not to talk has been reversed so what did Modi achieve by this?
     
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    LOL @Neo you couldn't manage to find anyone better than Aakar Patel? Even that Zaid Hamid has better credibility than This Bekar guy.
     
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    NaMo has set a `Lakshman Rekha` for Pakistan that they better not cross !
     
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    Re: Modi: Pak tried to make a spectacle of talks by meeting separatist

    Lol where did you get that many from?! One never gets to see all those "many"!

    It is Pakistan's choice to take it or leave it, to India it makes no difference. Pakistan, thanks to the Congress, has got way too much importance than it ever deserved in India's foreign policy, and it was high time they were made no more relevant than what Somalia would be to India, though productively, Somalia holds a higher significance.

    India is headed for stronger economic times ahead, and regional integration is a must, which is the path being taken by the Modi government, and in this, if Pakistan doesn't want to be a part of, then it's entirely their loss. Even your, so-called, deeper than ocean, higher than Himalayas friend seems inclined on investing big in India, and are working overtime to work closely with Modi government.
     
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    Sir, jingoism apart, it remains a fact that Modi is clueless about Kashmir. He made too many promises during his election compaign which made him very popular with ultra right wingers in India and now he has to deliver.
    Huriyat has been a partner for dacades, its nothing new and from our pov we do care about what the Kashmiris want. We did nothing wrong.

    Fortunately my information pool regarding India is not restricted to a jingoistic nationalist forum. I do read comments by Indian members in the media and its quitevrefreshing to see that there are many who do not agree with the Hindutva policies of BJP. Even those who voted for BJP have their doubts about the current course.

    Its upto you how much importance you give to us, no one really cares in Pakistan. We donot depend on trade witth India nor is any if our alliances affected by India's regional
    policies. So whatever importance you give to India is for domestic consumption only.
     
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    Re: Modi: Pak tried to make a spectacle of talks by meeting separatist

    Here's one of the comments I agree with:

    Author: VINOD
    Comment:
    <p>I have only one word to say that ..Shameful. With Mr. Modi coming to power most of us thought that India will truely join the world league of development, good administration, education and health care etc. However it is sad that we are every wasting our time in useless and petty things like whether every Indian should be called Hindu, love jihad, language of communication and activities aimed at dividing communities rather than unity for progress. However I have deep faith in the people of India they will finally choose the right path. </p>
     
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    India urged to resume talks with Pakistan
    Abdullah says India has obligation to resolve Kashmir issue


    INP
    August 28, 2014





    SRINAGAR – In a step that may lead to a confrontation with India, the Indian-held Jammu Kashmir Legislative Council on Thursday passed a resolution that urges the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to resume talks with Pakistan.

    The resolution passed unanimously via a voice vote says the state government must urge the Indian government to resume foreign secretary-level talks with Pakistan to maintain peace in the region especially in disputed state of Jammu Kashmir.

    It also says that the state government should urge India to take steps to effectively resolve violations on the Line of Control and the Working Boundary in the disputed state besides taking steps to ensure rehabilitation of victims of the firing. The resolution may turn controversial as the state constitution says that foreign affairs are not under the purview of the (state) government.

    The Modi government had cancelled secretary-level talks with Pakistan after High Commissioner Abdul Basit held talks with Hurriyat leaders despite Indian objections. Last week, Chief Minister Omar Abdullah had expressed hope that the Indian government would reconsider its decision of cancelling talks with Pakistan.

    "Given the breakdown in communication between Pakistan and India, I don't know how Narendra Modi government plans to resolve this (Jammu Kashmir) issue but they have an obligation to resolve it because they promised the people,” said Abdullah, who heads National Conference.

    India urged to resume talks with Pakistan
     
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    Re: Modi: Pak tried to make a spectacle of talks by meeting separatist

    How will the pewkis react if BJP wins 44+ seats in the J&K elections?

    It's tough but doable. BJP swept Jammu and ladakh in the Lok Sabha polls. All they need are just 6 seats from the kashmir region.
     
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    Borders with pakistan should be shut and we should forget that we have a neighbour on our western border.

    Pakistan is a fake democracy. They are ruled by a corrupt army and army didn't want to loose control of pakistan.

    There can't be no talk with this punjabi army. India will only talk to pakistan and not with this punjabi/mohajir army....
     
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    Re: Modi: Pak tried to make a spectacle of talks by meeting separatist

    We need a freeze in ties. No talks,not nothing. Retaliate any transgression by Pak forcefully.

    The only outstanding thing between Indian and Pakistan is handing back Indian lands Pak illegally occupies. Anything else an Pak can take a hike. Eventually as India grows militarily and economically to become the 3rd largest eco in the world, by which time Pak may have disintegrated, we will assimilate what we need to.
     
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    Re: Modi: Pak tried to make a spectacle of talks by meeting separatist

    High level of Indo-Pak noise whether of Politics, Diplomacy or Ballistics on border; helps the Pakistani state in diverting attention from within the country's plagues to the arch enemy India.
    This is an ages old tactic. Let the frog dwell in its own well and lets have nothing to do with it.
    The more we look at the frog and its well, the more it well drag us in. It is wrong to think that India cannot shine without sealing all dues with Pak.
    If Pak crossed its limits, they'll have it handed down to them royally. Else we just move on to our future and let them sort their own mess.
    This is the time to get rid of distractions as we have a crucial set of decades ahead which can be game changer for this country.

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    You are being irrational hear. I think a 200 billion$ economy with nuclear weapons to boot is not going to disappear or dis integrate. This is in no one's interest.
    My take on this is that we should hold a plebiscite for the the kashmir valley alone. Not Ladhak or Jammu regions. By conservative estimates India has lost almost 400 billion $ over 30 years adjusted to inflation (and immeasurable lives) trying to support,protect and retain the public in this kashmir valley. I am not willing to spend my tax money anymore on these ungrateful and unpatriotic wretches . I would much rather like to contribute towards building a new capital for AP which is a fellow Indian state or any of the other countless causes in India that require money.
    I known many Muslims who are proud to be Indians. If these kashmiri idiots think being muslims they are better-off with pakistan then so be it.... Unless you are a Ahamedi or shia.. then god save you. Close the borders from Jammu and don't let a single one of them come into India. Everyone can see what has become of afghanistan after the ISI unleashed the Taliban in there.
    Also let us start a dialogue process with the Balochistan people. They seem to be quite pro India at the moment. for every meeting that pakistan wants with the hurriyat we can have multiple meetings with Balochi leadership. Lets see if the pakistani's like their Hippocratic faces when we show the mirror.

    Baloch leaders seek independence from Pakistan | Business Standard News

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    Undue importance were given to pakis in the past. All existing train and bus services must be withdrawn as they are not at all helping in building relations with the FTSP.
    Article 370 must be dissolved. Pakistan should adopt these hoshiyar hurriyats and take them to Pakistan as they will have a tough time ahead. These ehsaanfaramosh guys enjoyed too long in India.
     
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    Are you trying to say that MANY Indians don't agree with Modi and his present course on the basis of TOI's comment section ? :lol: Huriyat had been a partner because of past governments' idiotic policies including Vajpai's. This is Modi, whole India doesn't like Pakistan and will support Modi if he does something against Pakistan l, that's the fact and you don't have to be a right winger in India to oppose Pakistan and separatists, that's another fact for you. Pakis can't digest this political move by Modi and I would welcome auch moves in future including giving free hand to army in J&K to destroy the traitors and terrorists. Tough time ahead for Pakistan if it doesn't comply with India.
     
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    @Neo Fancy words like" ultra right wing" doesn't suit coming from someone who belongs to a " Islamic nation" where the minority population declined from healthy double figures to single figure all within 60 years or so.

    What was it - 22% Hindus in Pak in 1951? and now it is 1.6% ?

    Typical Pakis always putting themselves on pedestal as always.
     
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    A fact?! And you decided that on Modi's behalf! At least one thing is for sure, you people have no clues of whom you are dealing with. Look at the direction he wants to take the region to, but then you people never had the forth-sight.

    Yeah, your information pool seems no better than what some Indians tend to base their opinions on Pakistan from the lenses of Najam Sethi's, Asma Jahangir's, and the bandwagon. Your choice if you want to call such marginalised sections as the opinion of the main stream. It's the same thing, the other day Dawn news carried news of Modi's popularity receding, in contrast the opinion poll in India suggested, if not more, Modi's popularity had increased by atleast 50%, news carried by major international media outlets, but then, as usual, Pakistanis and their delusions, but hey, it's okay, one understands the desperation of Pakistanis to undermine Modi. All the best with that!

    As far as the talks are concerned, you will get them on India's demands. India is in no need for the talks, and can easily live without them, unlike ofcourse Pakistan, which justifies its very existence on these talks, and by doing that you people have blood of so many innocent Kashmiris. All the terrorism was Pakistan's doing, it took time for the Kashmiris to understand that, but it is satisfying to see, if they today curse India, they as much curse Pakistanis. Coming back to the talks, it is high time Pakistan Occupied Kashmir is brought to the table, and I have not the the slightest of the doubts that there will come a time very-very soon when India will say India will move ahead on talks only once PoK is brought on the agenda, and you guys will be forced to do as India says. As such there have been many voices from PoK who are seeking separation from Pakistan.
     
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