Modi crossed 'red line' by talking about Balochistan: Pakistan

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It is impossible to free a nation with which we have no contigious land border. The Baloch issue cannot be sorted before a few other things are cleared.
a)India first needs to host a dialogue between the Baloch leaders & Iran , Make the Baloch give a commitment towards giving up territorial claims in Iran before getting into the hard aspects of an independent Balochistan.
The Baloch will also have to make a declaration recognizing Shia Islam as equivalent to Sunni Islam minimum.
b)Popularize the Baloch issue by planting articles in leading western dailies * magazines on a regular basis, there are many presstitutes in the west as well who will write whatever we pay them for(in this case the facts on Balochistan).
c)Use the clout of our diaspora to create a political question on Balochistan, moving it to a grey area from Pakistan will be enough.
d) Get Afghanistan, Iran, Bangladesh & a few other friendly nations to recognize a Baloch govt in Exile in any part of India.

Only after these are complete can an insurgency be considered.
 

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India should revive the charge that Khalistan insurgency was the brainchild of Pakistan, funded by Pakistan, managed by Pakistan. The world needs to be reminded that Pakistan is a state that supports terrorism both within and outside its borders. In fact, they are still harboring the rascals to this issue. Hope Modi raises the issue at UN.
 

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It is impossible to free a nation with which we have no contigious land border.
Then let's carve out an independent Sindhudesh first, with Tharpakar and Umerkot joining the Union of India, either as Poorvi Sindh or as parts of Rajasthan/Gujarat.

The Baloch issue cannot be sorted before a few other things are cleared.
a)India first needs to host a dialogue between the Baloch leaders & Iran , Make the Baloch give a commitment towards giving up territorial claims in Iran before getting into the hard aspects of an independent Balochistan.
Or put it in deep abeyance for the time being.

The Baloch will also have to make a declaration recognizing Shia Islam as equivalent to Sunni Islam minimum.
NO. Stay out of Islamic sectarian issues, consequences go far beyond Baluchistan. Once Baluchistan is perceived as a Shia-Sunni issue, it will drag in the rest of Ummah biraathers and allow the Bakis to subvert the whole thing and maintain status quo. Not to mention the impact it will have on the Shia-Sunni dynamics in our country. Baluchistan movement must be seen an independence struggle against the racist, subjugating Bakjabis. No more no less. It's getting noticed as such and let's keep it that way.

b)Popularize the Baloch issue by planting articles in leading western dailies * magazines on a regular basis, there are many presstitutes in the west as well who will write whatever we pay them for(in this case the facts on Balochistan).
c)Use the clout of our diaspora to create a political question on Balochistan, moving it to a grey area from Pakistan will be enough.
d) Get Afghanistan, Iran, Bangladesh & a few other friendly nations to recognize a Baloch govt in Exile in any part of India.
I believe it's already happening in part. Some US senators have been raising this issue and it's expected to gather steam. Let the likes of Dana Rohrabacher and Tareq Fateh and Naila Quadri and Karima Baloch and Brahamdagh Bugti take the lead. They are doing a fair job of raising awareness on Baluchistan, let them be. Once we are seen to be actively involved in the process the whole issue will be viewed from an Indo-Pak prism. Best to let Baluchistan be viewed as solely indigenous struggle of subjugated people against their racist, colonial overlords.
 

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India's move to deploy BrahMos cruise missiles in Arunachal as a deterrent against China has provoked a sharp response from the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA).

The NDA government had given the final go-ahead for the Army to induct and deploy an advanced version of the BrahMos missile for mountain warfare in the northeast earlier this month.

The PLA’s official mouthpiece, the PLA Daily, has warned India that doing so could attract countermeasures from China and bring “a negative influence” to “stability” of border areas.

“India deploying supersonic missiles on the border has exceeded its own needs for self-defense and poses a serious threat to China’s Tibet and Yunnan provinces,” said the commentary, published this weekend in the PLA’s influential official newspaper.

The Cabinet Committee on Security, chaired by PM Narendra Modi, had cleared this fourth BrahMos regiment at a cost of over Rs 4,300 crore.

The regiment consists of around 100 missiles, five mobile autonomous launchers on 12x12 heavy-duty trucks, and a mobile command post.

The PLA Daily claimed that India’s views of “counterbalance and confrontation” were behind the move, noting other steps to bolster the border such as deploying Sukhoi Su-30MKIs and drones in border areas as “deterrence to China to create a military advantage in the boundary”.

India, however, is still playing catch-up after China set up massive infrastructure in Tibet and Xinjiang, including airports, roads, and a rail network that is set to reach the border.
 

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Pakistan will have to pay a heavy price for Balochistan policy & economic corridor with China
August 22, 2016, 3:54 am IST Economic Times in ET Commentary | India | ET

By Vikram Sood

During his lengthy speech on August 15, Prime Minister Narendra Modi spoke briefly about what was happening in Pakistan, in Peshawar and the terror. He spoke about the messages he was receiving from the people of Balochistan, Gilgit and Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK) who were thanking him, and in doing so, they were really thanking all Indians.

He did not say why they were thanking him. Nor did he say what he and his government would do for the Baloch, Gilgitis or the Kashmiris from POK. This, however, was enough for all of Pakistan to go up in arage. It was blasphemy, perhaps, to have mentioned these three regions while they have arrogated the right to themselves to spread terror and violence in India for decades. Reactions in India were on expected lines, largely ambivalent but at least the issue is temporarily centre stage.

The Baloch were jubilant and made no attempt to hide their feelings. Twitter went viral, as they say, and even lesser persons than the PM received hundreds of tweets a day from Baloch all over the world. One of them, while thanking Modi with all her dignity and pride, said the Baloch only needed that their voice be heard at international fora and capitals of the world. She hoped for this support from Indians. Other than that, they would fight their battles themselves.

Pakistan doesn’t like Baloch-lovers

There is, of course, a danger in this. Hopes aroused suddenly can lead to rapid disillusionment. There has to be a plan worked out after due process. At the end of World War 2, the British, anxious to keep the Soviet Union away from the Indian Ocean, even considered the possibility of detaching Balochistan from the rest of India. Two years later with the crumbling empire in mind, two British officers on loan to Maharaja Hari Singh of Kashmir, conspired to pass Gilgit to Pakistan in 1947, after the Maharaja acceded to India. Independent India missed out on the significance of these regions.

Nearly 70 years after independent Balochistan was taken over by Pakistan, the province has become a land hermitically sealed in a pressure cooker by the Pakistani Army. The Baloch have continued to revolt and die. In all the various battles fought by the Baloch, an estimated 50,000 have been killed. Pakistan has used religious and sectarian forces to subdue the Baloch but it has not worked.

The geopolitical situation has changed. British supremacy is now history and even the US is seen to be treading gingerly in West Asia, its massive Central Command (Centcom) notwithstanding. Dominance of the region could be passing on to China as Xi Jinping seeks to advance into West Asia and consolidate in Pakistan. The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is the newest instrument, apart from the continuing nuclear and military aid to Pakistan. These are going to be interesting times.

The CPEC is of little interest to India because the alignment of most projects is north-south from Gwadar to Kashgar via Gilgit. There are no eastward trajectories since Pakistan does not want to trade with India, has not signed the South Asian Free Trade Area (Safta) pact, most favoured nation (MFN) treaty or Trade and Transit for Afghanistan.

For Pakistan, CPEC is a dream come true after the US and EU declined to bankroll what was hoped would be a Marshall Plan to resurrect the country’s economy. They were prepared to finance Pakistan for its dubious uses as an ally against terror. But no country was going to sink money to help a country that was also responsible for spreading terror or being perfidious. So enter China with its ‘Iron Brother’.

It may not be the flawless munificence that the Chinese may have sold them and Pakistan is yet to acknowledge who holds the iron. There is a difference between when an impoverished economy that hopes to be transformed into an economic hub and ending up being an economic colony.

The Baloch fear being pushed out by an influx of Chinese, Punjabi and Pushtun workers into Balochistan. This would change the social fabric in a country afflicted with several insurgencies. In Gwadar, CPEC is perceived as a scheme that will render their fishermen jobless. Besides, the Chinese would be protected by a 10,000-strong armed force of the army, half of which would be commandos and located mostly in Balochistan.

Pakistan has apparently not studied what has been the African and Latin American experience with seemingly benign Chinese investments. Closer home, Sri Lanka has been left with Chinese-built projects in and around Hambantota that are now white elephants and a financial drain. Indonesia was promised assistance of $24 billion in 2005. Ten years later, less than 10% was available.

The Chinese have already begun to seek tax exemptions in Pakistan that could mean a loss of revenue of about $2 billion. They have also expressed unhappiness at the manner in which decisions are being delayed.

Earlier this year, Pakistani Army chief General Raheel Sharif had declared that the army would pay any price to ensure that the CPEC is completed. One wonders if he has calculated its economic, social and political cost. Or maybe he was only calculating profits to the military.

(The writer is former chief, R&AW)

http://blogs.economictimes.indiatim...balochistan-and-economic-corridor-with-china/
 

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Modi Stumps Pak Again: Govt Announces enhanced compensation for terror victims, PoK people can apply too

Narendra Modi
BRIEFCASE
  • Centre announces enhanced compensation for terror victims.
  • Say Pakistan Occupied Kashmiris could claim too.
  • Compensation increased from Rs 3 lakhs to Rs 5 lakhs.
The Modi government has announced enhanced compensation for civilian victims of terror and have said that Pakistan Occupied Kashmiris, who are also our people, can claim this compensation too.
This comes days after Narendra Modi raised the issue of Balochistan, Gilgit and Pakistan Occupied Kashmir in his Independence Day speech.
Also Read: Modi stumps Pakistan, refers to Balochistan, Gilgit and PoK from Red Fort
ANOTHER BOLD MOVE
Minister of state for PMO, Jitendra Singh, announced compensation for civilian victims and said "Pakistan Occupied Jammu and Kashmiris are an important part of India and they can also claim such a compensation."
He said, "By the virtue of the Constitution of India, rules also apply in that part of the country which is occupied by Pakistan. Those residents are also our people and are victims of similar condition."
The statement comes after Union Cabinet, chaired by Prime Minister Modi, gave its approval to enhance the grant of compensation to the civilian victims under the scheme titled "Central Scheme for Assistance to Civilian Victims of Terrorist/ Communal/Left Wing Extremist (LWE), Cross Border Firing and Mine/IED blasts on Indian Territory".
The compensation had been increased from Rs 3 lakhs to Rs 5 lakhs.
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE SCHEME
  1. For the first time, civilian victims of cross border firing along the Indo-Pak border will be given a compensation of Rs 5 lakh similar to those who die due to terrorism or LWE violence.
  2. The decision to give compensation to the victims of cross border firing and enhancing the amount was taken by the government today.
  3. From now on, any civilian who dies anywhere in the country due to terror attack, LWE violence, firing from across the border, shelling or IED explosion will be given Rs5 lakh as compensation uniformly.
  4. The amount will be given to the next of kin of the victim.
  5. Rs 5 lakh will also be given to those who receive 50 per cent or more disability or incapacitation due to the same reasons.
  6. The compensation amount will be given subject to the condition that no employment has been provided to any of the family members of the victims by state or Central Government.
  7. So far, the government has disbursed Rs 35.89 crore as compensation to civilian victims since the inception of this scheme first came in 2008.
 

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PM Modi-ji
after decades of UPA rule ( or non-rule ? )
we NRI's and
i think the people of India also :-

would like for you to cross more "red lines "
Modi played the much needed card which was long due.

Somehow the congress in India thinks that the guts,sense,sensibility and the tricks to run a nation is passed on through vagina during coitus or may be such is passed as a gene trait..that they all bat in unison for someone born in the lead G family to run election, win and run this mighty nation.

Support to Balochistan may backfire; Congress warns Government

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...y-backfire-congress-warns-government-2995437/


“If in Kashmir, we see their (Pakistani) flag or their Prime Minister’s pictures and consider that as anti-national, it becomes a problematic situation for us too,” he said.
So congress would NOT raise the PoK issue or Balochistan issue or Gilgit issue to avoid such scenarios which could be handled by the Indian system.

If pak army is in Balochistan abusing human rights India should come all out on it and do what is due to expose and isolate pak further.


Shown again that the Congress CANT afford a political situation nor they are mature to handle it and them doesnt know how to make use of the consensus thrown open once in a while.
 

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Just a statement of India has put Pakis on fire and caught in a surprise.

Pakis are burning too much... ISI has forced some fake rallies and burning Indian flags in Pak now.

Pakis were jumping 100 feet in air claiming CPEC would make Pak a superpower.CPEC is endangered by these unrest.Pakis themselves know that China would fill local markets with their stuff and the local industry would be hit badly.That way China would own Pakis economically and enslave them. FOOL PAKIS!!! Some Pakis have actually realized this Chinese plan but their govt and Army is SOLD OUT to Chini. :lol:

Let's see what happens.

btw saw in TV news today that Pakis have made a Bill in their parliament which would practically help converting Hindus.Can anyone post that? India can use this news internationally and open another front.
Must be hard for pakis to buy the chinese goods without US aid..like food aide and like.. :D

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pakis learn everything the hard way

pakis learned that they CANT DO A WAR with India..that they did take a battery of wars for them to get off the Afghan weed and smell reality.

pakis learned the hard way during Kargil that they CANT DO a PROPAGANDA WAR with India.

pakis learned the hard way recently that they CANT DO INTERANTIONAL RELATIONS the way India does.

Pakis learned very very hard way that they CANT BITCH with India as India can slap their mouth shut and make them eat every word pak vomitted.

...............
I like the way situation is handled by Modi .."Make everything that is thrown at India by pakistan and china UNAFFORDABLE for pakistan"
 
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its the same pusillanimous behaviour that has made them sing:

oye mari bund, phudduon ka jhund

jo padi laat

aur jali jhaant

rakh dil pe haath

hum saath-saath

bolo kya karenge?!

BAAT karenge, BAAT karenge, BAAT karenge....!

OTOH, their fear may also have to do with some secrets like hawala xfer to some khangressis being spilled out by TSP with a squeezed neck. time for aiyar to beg again.
 

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its the same pusillanimous behaviour that ..............

but my assessment about kangaress-UPA ( henceforth KUPA ) is not so much about being pusillanimous because, to be cautious is actually a good thing for any government and often people who are pusilani.... tend to be cautious and so it may be good for a nation , perhaps not so good for a person

but my overall assessment of KUPA is that they dont have continuity in their policies and they are operating the government on a crisis basis ....i.e. they relax and dont do much until there is a crisis and then they go into very short term over-drive and hysteria but overall , there is no system

and obviously this is not good for development of the nation and everyone knows it , except them

so, as they dont have continuous work taking place we keep seeing disjointed decision -making resulting in 10 years to make decisions for AMCA fighter.jet project , overly long and meandering time frame for Tejas LCA

...they do not practice in real terms the concept of step by step logical development but rather they only do something when faced with a GLARING crisis which has become so obvious that it has to be tackled otherwise the people will shout at them ......

....and so it is a perpetual fire-fighting type of development in bits and starts ....which takes place only when there is a crisis and after the fire has been put out, then they go back to sleep and merely take care of the welfare of their own families , and they are good at that .

that kind of a policy will NEVER keep pace with prcchina-pakistan nexus and if that continued for too long, then our nation could be written off in the longer term

fortunately Modi has come in on-board and we see some glimmer of hope that he is gradually changing the thinking from perpetual crisis-type management into one of more of continuous daily progress

otherwise, with more of KUPA, it would be a sinking ship

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but my assessment about kangaress-UPA ( henceforth KUPA ) is not so much about being pusillanimous because, to be cautious is actually a good thing for any government and often people who are pusilani.... tend to be cautious and so it may be good for a nation , perhaps not so good for a person

but my overall assessment of KUPA is that they dont have continuity in their policies and they are operating the government on a crisis basis ....i.e. they relax and dont do much until there is a crisis and then they go into very short term over-drive and hysteria but overall , there is no system

and obviously this is not good for development of the nation and everyone knows it , except them

so, as they dont have continuous work taking place we keep seeing disjointed decision -making resulting in 10 years to make decisions for AMCA fighter.jet project , overly long and meandering time frame for Tejas LCA

...they do not practice in real terms the concept of step by step logical development but rather they only do something when faced with a GLARING crisis which has become so obvious that it has to be tackled otherwise the people will shout at them ......

....and so it is a perpetual fire-fighting type of development in bits and starts ....which takes place only when there is a crisis and after the fire has been put out, then they go back to sleep and merely take care of the welfare of their own families , and they are good at that .

that kind of a policy will NEVER keep pace with prcchina-pakistan nexus and if that continued for too long, then our nation could be written off in the longer term

fortunately Modi has come in on-board and we see some glimmer of hope that he is gradually changing the thinking from perpetual crisis-type management into one of more of continuous daily progress

otherwise, with more of KUPA, it would be a sinking ship
Absolutely....and responding to crisis is NOT called governance. Congress as you called it KUPA was not governing..they are just baby sitters trying to make some pocket money while they are at it.

paki and china was relaying on the congress incompetence to grab what they can from India thats when the change of command happened for good!
 

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We shouldn't blame Congress alone. What else a loose coalition of 12-13 Parties can do?except looting public money? Could Congress take any major policy-decision, leave alone passing constitutional amendments without appeasing coalition leaders? During UPA, Coalition partners were held together with regular transfer of large funds to their parties. Where did this money come from? Some from donations from Industrialists and majority from corruption, bribery..
Rise of regional Satraps is the undoing. More than Gandhi family, entities like Mayawati, Mulayam, Lalu, Nitish, Mamata, Kejriwal, Karuna etc. have harmed our political system. Till, Indira Gandhi's rule, large-scale looting of tax-payers' money was not the norm. This started with Rajiv Gandhi, may be influence of Sonia Maino.
 

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but my assessment about kangaress-UPA ( henceforth KUPA ) is not so much about being pusillanimous because, to be cautious is actually a good thing for any government and often people who are pusilani.... tend to be cautious and so it may be good for a nation , perhaps not so good for a person

but my overall assessment of KUPA is that they dont have continuity in their policies and they are operating the government on a crisis basis ....i.e. they relax and dont do much until there is a crisis and then they go into very short term over-drive and hysteria but overall , there is no system

and obviously this is not good for development of the nation and everyone knows it , except them

so, as they dont have continuous work taking place we keep seeing disjointed decision -making resulting in 10 years to make decisions for AMCA fighter.jet project , overly long and meandering time frame for Tejas LCA

...they do not practice in real terms the concept of step by step logical development but rather they only do something when faced with a GLARING crisis which has become so obvious that it has to be tackled otherwise the people will shout at them ......

....and so it is a perpetual fire-fighting type of development in bits and starts ....which takes place only when there is a crisis and after the fire has been put out, then they go back to sleep and merely take care of the welfare of their own families , and they are good at that .

that kind of a policy will NEVER keep pace with prcchina-pakistan nexus and if that continued for too long, then our nation could be written off in the longer term

fortunately Modi has come in on-board and we see some glimmer of hope that he is gradually changing the thinking from perpetual crisis-type management into one of more of continuous daily progress

otherwise, with more of KUPA, it would be a sinking ship

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the reason you termed Modiji's move as 'bold' is an indicator enough for me of the 'offroad' approach the PM has taken, which was consistently not only avoided but SHUNNED & suggestions for it RIDICULED by the maino-minions, if less in the parliament then mostly in the newsroom studios, vehemently, always. What i would deem as a cautious approach is the pulse-checking the MARD team did of TSP as soon as coming to power, till 2 years. What the maino-minions did were, give air to phobia of (new-clear) self-damage if TSP's ears were to be pulled, and such a 'cautious' approach when taken CONSTANTLY & CONSISTENTLY with little-to-none basis i reality, to me reeks of nothing but pussilanimity.

P.S. - there was a newspaper clipping of Gen. Bakshi's article in a Hindi newspaper shared here by @Kunal Biswas 1-2 days back in a thread. Pls look it up. It was on this subject only, and he barely minced any words in writing.
 

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'Disappointed by past Indian govts but thank PM Narendra Modi for extending support to Balochistan'

Mumbai: A prominent Baloch leader on Tuesday said Indian governments in the past disappointed her people, who are fighting for independence from Pakistan, and thanked Prime Minister Narendra Modi for "extending moral support" to their movement.
"We were disappointed with earlier Indian governments but I thank the current Prime Minister Narendra Modi for extending moral support for the freedom fight of Balochistan (in his August 15 speech)," said Naela Quadri Baloch, president of World Baloch Forum, here.
"We are using all forms of struggle, including armed struggle, for independence," she said, in an interaction at the Mumbai Press Club.
Pakistan was using chemical weapons against the Balochs, abducting women and killing children, Quadri alleged.
Atrocities increased after China's entry into Balochistan (for infrastructure projects it is developing in the region), she said.
"We are not Pakistanis, we know it," said Quadri.
"Where was the UN when Pakistan invaded Balochistan," she said.
Pakistan could not claim that insurgency in Balochistan was its internal matter, the Baloch leader added.
Quadri also alleged that Pakistan was nurturing terror with funds obtained (from foreign countries) for the war on terror.
Between seven and ten lakh Balochs live in India, according to Quadri. Balochs have been living in India for the last 500 years, she added.
"Balochistan issue is not human rights violations. It's the issue of independence," Quadri said.
In a major shift in India's foreign policy, Modi, in his Independence Day speech this year, had hit back at Pakistan when he talked about human rights violations in Balochistan.
It was in apparent retaliation for Pakistan dedicating its Independence Day to the freedom of Jammu and Kashmir.
PTI
 

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