Missile Talk

[bhramos]

is it true? i think noaircraft were shot down.

Nandu was true, we lost Mig-21. Pilot Ajay Ahuja was killed.

It was in this type of terrain that aerial attacks were used with limited effectiveness. The IAF lost a MiG-27 strike aircraft which it attributed to an engine failure as well as a MiG-21 fighter which was shot down by Pakistan; initially Pakistan said it shot down both jets after they crossed into its territory[50][51] and one Mi-8 [helicopter to Stinger SAMs. Years later, a retired Pakistani Officer confirmed that the MiG-27 was lost to technical failure [52]. During attacks the IAF used laser-guided bombs to destroy well-entrenched positions of the Pakistani forces.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War

 

[Neil]

Nandu was true, we lost Mig-21. Pilot Ajay Ahuja was killed[/url]

there were reports that he was killed because of aircraft malfunction and not by any missiles as claim by pakistan

 

[bhramos]

The tail of an Indian air force MiG-21 fighter shot down by a Pakistani missile. The pilot Squadron Leader Ajay Ahuja was killed.

 

[bhramos]

there were reports that he was killed because of aircraft malfunction and not by any missiles as claim by pakistan

that was Mig-27, the question was about Mig-21.
Mig-21, Mi-8 and Canberra were destroyed or damaged by SAM or Manpads.

 

[p2prada]

We lost a Mig-27 to an engine flame out. The Mig-21 was sent out to check the wreckage of the Mig-27 and was flying low.

Itwas subsequently targeted by the NLI and brought down. Since the Mig-21 was flying in the Himalayas, the engines could not deliver enough power to move it out of the missile's flight envelope.

It wasn't the Mig-21 Bison.

 

[venkat]

nandu!!! how about chicom stingers!!! i dont think pakis can design or make IR seekers they themselves!!! certailnly china's RE hand would have been there!!!so can we use NAG mounted on vehicle, as these are too heavy for manportability?

 

[plugwater]

Programme Update: The Indo-French Maitri SR-SAM

Top sources reveal that the Indo-French joint tri-services Short-Range Surface-to-Air Missile (SR-SAM), christened Maitri, is likely to receive formal sanction shortly by the Indian government, with both sides finalising workshare agreements on the programme, initially entered into over three years ago. Described variously as the defunct Trishul point defence missile programme imbued with fresh life, joint work has already begun on the missile, that should see a first test-firing by late 2012. While MBDA and DRDL have awaited formal project sanction, the two agencies have been exchanging data on the Mica and Trishul for the last two years, and are ready to begun building the missile. The vertical launch weapon will have a range of 15-km and will be propelled by a smokeless solid rocket motor.

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/07/programme-update-indo-french-maitri-sr.html

 

[Rahul Singh]

The one relevant question is, where this system will fit in between Spyder, Akash, MR-SAM and LR-SAM?

 

[ZOOM]

The one relevant question is, where this system will fit in between Spyder, Akash, MR-SAM and LR-SAM?

Above edit clearly signifying that fact that DRDO is looking to develop land based version of Astra missile to make up for variable arrays of Point Defence, Area Air Defence and Mobile air defence system and under such circumstances, Astra land based version can be accomodated complimanted by Spyder quick reaction units supported by array's air defence weapons.

 

[EagleOne]

It's lift off for Indian A&D

Britain is well placed to capitalise on an Indian aerospace and defence industry which is "growing at unprecedented rate and emerging as a global heavyweight", according to a report by Deloitte and the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII).


India's defence procurement budget is expected to hit US$42bn by 2015 and the country is predicted to spend around US$80bn over the next five years on capital expenditure.

Deloitte says there are strong existing relationships between UK and Indian firms which means we are well placed to capitalise on this spend. India has set a 26 per cent limit on direct foreign investment which means partnerships with Indian companies are vital.

"India's domestic defence sector is likely to require specialist input into both platform and systems development. This demand can be met by foreign firms, including those from the UK given our aerospace heritage and market leading R&D programmes and innovation," says Pauline Biddle, UK head of aerospace and defence at Deloitte.

"There are many opportunities for foreign companies to partner with the Indian defence industry, some which could be facilitated by the 'Buy and Make' Indian opportunity. UK companies, including BAE and Rolls & Royce have already started their expansion into the Indian aerospace and defence market. Similarly, other UK companies in the automotive sector who have been in India for a long time have good prospects to tie up with Indian majors in the sector. I predict that we will see a dramatic rise in the number of Indian joint ventures with foreign firms over the next five to ten years."

Nidhi Goyal, director in Deloitte's Indian aerospace and defence team, says: "India is recognised as the next international manufacturing destination given its competitive strengths including wider supplier base, comparative low cost of labour, persistent focus on infrastructure development and huge pool of skilled workforce."

On India's target for 70% of new acquisitions in the future to be sourced from domestic production, he adds:

"In order to meet the target 70% indigenisation, local industry should achieve an average growth rate of 30% per year over the course of the next five years. At present the current offset contracts are still not sufficient for Indian industry growth and hopefully the target for offset contracts at US$10bn by 2011 will give the necessary boost that is required by the industry."
http://www.themanufacturer.com/uk/content/10725/It's_lift_off_for_Indian_A&D

 

[nandu]

R&D in Defence has to be nurtured & exploited in private and public domains

R&D in Defence has to be nurtured & exploited in private and public domains

New Delhi, India, July 7, 2010 : R&D in Defence has to be nurtured & exploited in private and public domains: Shri MM Pallam Raju

India has emerged as an attractive and favoured destination to forge alliances for cost effective production of defence equipment for foreign firms

In order to meet the defence requirements of the country, R&D in defence has to be nurtured and exploited in both private and public domains. Today India is one of the largest importers of military hardware in the world and domestic enterprises should be encouraged to contribute to minimize the import factor, opined Shri MM Pallam Raju, Honourable Raksha Rajya Mantri, Government of India. He was speaking at International Missile Technology Seminar on Future Anti – Tank Guided Missiles organised jointly by the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) and Directorate of Mechanised Forces, Integrated HQ of MoD (Army).

The minister further stated that development of a family of anti-tank guided missiles by domestic enterprises will take India a step closer to self reliance. This will help in harnessing core competitiveness of industry in the fields of R&D, manufacturing, design and development. This will further help in synergizing recourses and infrastructure that will pave way for mutually beneficial joint ventures. This will also encourage Indian industry to actively participate in modernization of the defence sector.

Praising the Indian industry for its contribution in the sector, General VK Singh, PVSM, AVSM, YSM, ADC, Chief of the Army Staff, Integrated HQ of MoD (Army) said that the engagement of Indian industry in the defence sector has been laudable, and it can develop what the nation needs. Technology has been changing and impacting the type of equipments needed by defence. It is getting imperative to imbibe whatever cutting edge technology is available in the equipments. With regard to the guided missile domain, Indian industry is poised to gain a great deal of work.

Lt Gen Dalip Bhardwaj, PVSM, VSM, Director General Mechanised Forces Integrated HQ of MoD (Army) said that in the light of number of technological advances, it is a challenging task for R&D organisations and industry to closely integrate the technology with a product. In order to put in place a family of anti-tank guided missiles, a greater impetus should be given to PPP in this field.

Mr Satish K Kaura, Co-Chairman, CII Defence Council & Chairman, Samtel Group called for a faster operationalisation of SME technology development fund. India needs a clear roadmap for progressive indigenization and recommended structural changes in MoD to include Private sector in Defence Production. He opined that an officer of a rank of an Additional Secretary may be nominated with a charter to facilitate Private Sector in defence production.

Mr Rahul Chaudhry, Chief Executive Officer, Tata Power SED, India stated that CII's representation across large, medium and small companies actively look forward to participate in the defence production. Therefore the process should be further streamlines and more opportunities need to be opened up to the industry. Interactions in form of seminars are fruitful in contributing towards better understanding and dealing with the issues at hand.

The concept for the seminar is based on the premise that technology is advancing to an unprecedented pace and is likely to have major impact in future warfare. Nations that can exploit emerging technologies and synergize the same with future generations' weapon systems with have a decisive edge in the battle field. Anti-tank weapon system constitutes the cutting edge to defeat the adversary's mechanized forces. It is therefore imperative for India's anti-tank guided missiles to modernize incorporating emerging technologies.

http://www.indiaprline.com/2010/07/...nation-to-forge-alliances-for-cost-effective/

 

[rakesh]

Indian Regional Jet To Have Turboprop & Turbofan Varient

It's official. As revealed a couple of weeks ago here, India's National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL) will develop the Indian Regional Transport Aircraft (IRTA), designated RTA-70 regional jet, not just as a twin turboprop as earlier believed but a common platform with two variants -- a twin turboprop and a twin turbofan. In addition, both variants will also have stretched versions designated RTA-90. The slides above are a from presentation made by NAL Director Dr AR Upadhya. With the Saras programme in one right mess, it seems a little odd that NAL is proceeding quite rapidly on the RTA programme. Even the national auditor had suggested that NAL drop plans of initiating the project without first getting its house in order as far as the Saras was concerned. It said, "Keeping in view the problems faced by NAL in HANSA and SARAS, projects relating to marketing of the aircrafts, difficulties in finding an industrial partner and lack of specialised manpower, NAL may review initiation of the new project for development of a 70 seater aircraft." And this was before the Saras crash of March 2009.

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/07/its-official.html

 

[Rage]

Do We need a National Ignition Facility?

This discussion requires viewing of the following link:

http://fora.tv/2010/06/16/Ed_Moses_Clean_Fusion_Power_This_Decade#Beyond_Ene rgy_Using_Fusion_to_Understand_the_Universe

The National Ignition Facility, Lawrence Livermore, California

https://lasers.llnl.gov/

The NIF is the world's largest and most energetic laser-based inertial confinement fusion (ICF) device, that uses a total of 192 laser beams, each of which is the world's most powerful, to attempt to ignite a fusion reaction from a mix of deuterium and tritium, to potentially provide a limitless source of energy from plasma matter akin to what is released in star cores.


Please review the link above and provide an opinion on the following crucial question:

Do we require an inertial-confinement fusion based ignition device:

- To provide an alternative and consequential source of energy over the next decade.
- To provide a facility for the study of celestial objects in experimental environments.
- To provide significant offsets to the defense industry and other sectors of the economy.
- To do our bit towards reducing global carbon emissions and climate change.

​

The United States of America has the world's single Laser Ignition Fusion Energy Facility, which production commenced 12 years ago and took 10 years to complete. It took a further 2 years to harness the technology required to bring them to the precipice of ignition. China has recently commenced, in the last few months, building a facility at Sheng guang. It is expected to be complete by the end of this decade.


So I ask: Do we need a national ignition facility?


Suggested parameters for this discussion:

- National Competitiveness
- Economics
- Sectoral revolutions
- Technology
- & Defense Applications


This thread requires educated replies, no bogus please. Suggested viewing highly recommended.

 

[EagleOne]

Draft defence production policy stresses R&D

NEW DELHI: The government is finally ready with a spanking new Defence Production Policy (DPP) which seeks to drastically reduce India's overwhelming and strategically-vulnerable dependence on foreign military hardware and software by bolstering indigenous R&D and private sector participation in a major way.

The DPP's final draft, in fact, holds "only those weapon systems/platforms will be procured from abroad which cannot be made/developed within the country" in specified timeframes to meet "critical" operational requirements.

All such "buy" projects will necessarily include transfer of technology, unless "exceptions are required for specific reasons", to ensure subsequent generations of the weapon systems are developed indigenously.

With the government now ready to fund domestic private companies with 80% of developmental costs, approval procedures for 'development/integration/make' of new defence systems indigenously are being 'further simplified'.

The DPP also says priority will be given to develop "strategic and critical technologies" to "reduce vulnerabilities" in case of sanctions and denials.

Defence production secretary R K Singh told TOI the objective is to "change the entire dynamics and orientation" of the existing defence procurements and production.

"We want a strong domestic defence-industrial base to ensure our strategic autonomy is not circumscribed. It will also have an economic multiplier effect by generating jobs here," said Singh.

"The Defence Acquisitions Council (headed by defence minister A K Antony) will now take up the DPP for final approval in its next meeting, or the one after that," he added.

The DPP specifies futuristic weapon systems, required after 7-8 years and beyond, will by and large be developed/integrated within the country after the long-term integrated perspective plans of the armed forces are analysed by sectoral multi-disciplinary indigenisation committees (SMDICs).

With representatives from the ministry, armed forces, DRDO and others, SMDICs will play "a pro-active role" in organising partnerships between academia and industry.

For every weapon system to be developed, two Indian companies with the lowest quotes will be selected, with the L-1 (lowest bidder) getting 65% of the order. The second company, or L-2, will get the remaining 35% but on the L-1 price.

But all this will take a lot of doing. The government till now has taken only piecemeal measures to boost private sector participation in the defence production arena, which was largely the public sector's preserve till a decade ago.

The defence sector was opened up in 2001-2002 to 100% private investment, with up to 26% foreign direct investment (FDI), but the results so far have not been very encouraging.

Moreover, the abysmal performance of DRDO, eight defence PSUs and 39 ordnance factories has meant India, which fancies itself as an emerging superpower, still imports over 70% of its military requirements.

As reported earlier, India has inked arms deals worth a whopping $50 billion since the 1999 Kargil conflict, making it the largest arms importer in the developing world.

Acknowledging India's self-reliance index is less than 30%, the DPP says, "Dependence on other countries for defence needs makes the country vulnerable, reduces foreign policy and strategic options and impedes the country's growth as an independent power in its own right."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n-policy-stresses-RD-/articleshow/6149273.cms

 

[EagleOne]

Boeing expands presence in India with Narus Networks

US aerospace major Boeing Thursday announced an agreement to acquire Narus Networks Private Limited, a leading provider of real-time network traffic and analytics software used to protect against cyber attacks and persistent threats aimed at large Internet Protocol networks.

The acquisition follows a successful partnership between the two companies and advances Boeing's strategy to offer world-class, scalable, state-of-the-art cyber security solutions, a Boeing statement said.

Narus is headquartered in Sunnyvale, California, and has a strong presence in Bangalore.

'This acquisition is another step forward in our strategy to develop integrated solutions for better network visibility, threat detection, and cybersecurity,' said Roger Krone, president of Boeing Network & Space Systems, a business within the Boeing Defense, Space & Security (BDS) operating unit.

'Narus' India team and their unique capabilities to secure complex networks will be a significant benefit to Boeing and our customers,' Krone added.

In addition to supporting cyber activities within Boeing Network & Space Systems, Narus' network-centric technology also will be applied to Boeing's smart grid energy work, the secure networking of Boeing's ground, air and space products, and the defense of the Boeing network, the company said.

'In recent years, the need for cyber security has dramatically increased across the world and in India,' said Dinesh Keskar, Boeing India president.

'Cyberspace is an increasingly crucial battlefield in which governments and businesses alike must defend themselves. Combining the modeling and simulation capabilities Boeing has here in India with Narus' technical capabilities demonstrates our commitment to designing and securing customer networks in order to protect vital information.

'With this acquisition, we have further diversified and strengthened our portfolio here, which makes this yet another milestone in Boeing's deepening engagement in India,' Keskar added.

Last year, Boeing announced the opening of its Boeing Research & Technology-India centre in Bangalore as well as the joint development with Bharat Electronics Limited of an analysis and experimentation center in India.

Narus' Bangalore office, located five km from Boeing's Bangalore centre, provides a base of operations for its employees, many of whom bring diverse experience from leading technology companies.

'Our team is dedicated to meeting the Indian government's requirements for visibility of IP traffic across networks that span the country,' said Yogi Mistry, Narus senior vice president of Worldwide Engineering.

The acquisition is expected to close during the third quarter of 2010

http://sify.com/finance/boeing-expa...-narus-networks-news-default-khiuEdchfee.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/334...bersecurity-argon-st-commercial-airplanes.htm

 

[SHASH2K2]

I have already posted it in cyber security thread .

 

[EagleOne]

US to replace Russia as India's biggest arms supplier?

According to The Sunday Guardian, a scheduled November visit by Barack Obama to Delhi should result in some 5 billion dollars worth of American arms sales to India.

That country's shopping list includes Patriot air defence batteries and Boeing mid-air refueling tankers.Observers point out that the role of India's biggest arms supplier is shifting from Russia to the United States.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/07/11/12033554.html

 

[ajtr]

So india is paying for the arms sale to pakistan given in aid by usa:emot112:

 

[Zaki]

So india is paying for the arms sale to pakistan given in aid by usa:emot112:

hehehe thank you India!

 

[bhramos]

So india is paying for the arms sale to pakistan given in aid by usa:emot112:

then also giving way to buy weapons from Russia.