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Arm Imports..

India is the largest arms importer...
all our main Fighter planes/Frigates/MBT's ...are imports...
we depend on Russia, France, Israel, UK....etc
isn't this a serious strategic issue...how realiable can it be in case of war...its high time we had some sort of self sufficience in these issues...
In WW1 and 2 all sides had robust domestic defence industries which sustained them...
probably there is too much money to be made from kickbacks and imports....at the detriment of our domestic industry....but at least our defence should be free fom this parasite called corruption...
also there needs to be more private employment in defence in India...
look HAL...what has it got to show for decades of "hard work"....Tejas...all others are manufactured under licence...surely we can do better than that...


what do you guys think...?
 

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when people talk about domestic industry they ignore one very important point the domestic industry setup in the defence sector is not that well organized its good to have domestic weapons but the thing is that the domestic industry can build capable weapons but they certainly cannot potray them in good light a good marketing scheme and a PR management is needed for long india has been the country that has absorbed foreign cultures and made it its own so no harm to have foreign systems if in the long run it is benefitting and good way to march ahead
 

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New Japanese 'Helicopter Destroyer'

TOKYO --- Rumors that the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force's third "aircraft carrying destroyer" would mark a major improvement in size and capability over the Hyuga class ships now entering service have been confirmed.

The new 22DDH will be 248 meters long and 39 meters in beam, and displace more than 24,000 tons. This makes her almost 50 percent larger than the Hyuga class and places an unbearable semantic strain on the use of the term "destroyer" to describe these ships. To put the size of the ship into context, she is comparable with a World War II Essex-class fleet carrier.

Illustrations of the 22DDH show her to be a full-fledged helicopter carrier with no real destroyer characteristics. The superstructure is very similar to that of the Hyuga class with the difference that the 01 deck is extended forward, probably to accommodate a vertical launch silo for air defense missiles. The point defenses of the new ships are more than doubled, with three Phalanx Mk 15 mountings and two RAM launchers replacing the pair of Phalanx mounts on the older ship. Significantly, while one of the Phalanx mounts on the Hyuga is situated forward on the flight deck, and thus obstructs fixed-wing operations, the 22DDH has all of its mounts located on sponsons clear of the flight deck itself.

The flight deck layout on the 22DDH differs significantly from that of the Hyuga class. One of the lifts has been moved from the centerline to the deck-edge position. The added width of the flight deck has been used to shift the axis of air operations clear of the remaining centerline elevator. The number of munitions elevators feeding the flight deck has been increased from two to four.

A vertical launch silo built into the rear of the flight deck on the Hyuga has been removed, once again reducing obstructions to flight operations. Flight deck operations capacity has been increased from two to seven helicopters.

Japanese accounts suggest that one of the reasons for the drastic increase in size of the 22DDH design is a planned shift to the V-22 Osprey as the primary air group element for these ships. It is not clear whether these would be replacements for or supplemental to the SH-60Ks that equip the Hyuga class. These accounts also make it clear that the F-35B short takeoff and vertical landing variant of the Joint Strike Fighter is seen as a key system for these ships. Apparently, provision for the operation of UAVs is being included within the design.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...-japanese-destroyer-bigger,-more-capable.html
 

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an image of the same destroyer in question looks big by the photo
 

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looks like they are preparing for Chinese Naval aggression and Future Aircraft carrier programs.
 

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India eyes stake in Russian uranium field

Anil Sasi

New Delhi, June 20

India is evaluating the option of picking up stake in one of the world's largest uranium fields in Russia.

The possibility of a minority equity stake in the Elkon field in Russia's Yakutia province, which is estimated to hold 344,000 tonnes of uranium or about 5.3 per cent of the world's recoverable reserves, is being seen as a step towards securing long-term supplies for the country's nuclear capacity, a Government official involved in the exercise said.

Russia's state-owned mining firm ARMZ Uranium Holding Company has the licence to the Elkon field, in which a stake was offered in the course of bilateral negotiations during the Russian Prime Minister, Mr Vladimir Putin's, visit to India earlier this year.

ARMZ Uranium Holding, which also has licences for uranium fields in Kazakhstan and Mongolia, had earlier said it is looking for a strategic partner to help it develop the Elkon mine.

The Yakutia province, also called the Sakha Republic, is situated in the North-East of the Russian Federation and occupies one-fifth of the total territory of the Russian mainland.

Geological exploration

Once a decision is formalised, state-owned Uranium Corporation of India Ltd (UCIL) is expected to be roped in for technical negotiations. Russia, which holds about a tenth of the world's uranium reserves, is aiming at emerging a major supplier to the Indian nuclear power industry. It has been agreed at the bilateral level that the two countries will work on the creation of a joint venture for geological exploration and production of uranium.

The possibility of setting up a Russian-designed nuclear fuel fabrication facility in India is also under consideration, as has been provided in the Inter-Government Agreement on Cooperation in the use of Atomic Energy for Peaceful Purpose signed by the two countries.

The accord also provides for the reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel in India under international safeguards.

Fuel supplies

Russia had entered into an umbrella agreement for supply of 2,000 tonnes of nuclear fuel to India starting late last year. Russian state-owned firm TVEL Corporation has been deputed to supply about 210 tonnes of uranium during 2010-11.

During the last fiscal, about 120 tonnes of natural uranium and 58 tonnes of enriched uranium were received from Russia.

The roadmap agreement with Russia also paved the way for intensifying bilateral co-operation on the nuclear front by providing for the setting up of the fifth and sixth units at the Koodankulam site in Tamil Nadu as well as outlining a construction plan for the third and fourth units at the site.

Russia is in the fray to build up to 16 reactors in India.

Private sector

While UCIL has been slow off the blocks in cashing in on the uranium deal abroad, the private sector has been quick to grab opportunities to invest in uranium fields overseas.

Jindal Steel & Power (Mauritius) Ltd, in 2008, had bought the entire stake in a uranium asset in Mongolia jointly owned by Canadian firms Bluerock Resources Ltd and Uranerz Energy Corp for $2.6 million. Mongolia has about 2 per cent of the world's uranium reserves. Little known Mumbai-based firm Taurian Resources had bagged exclusive rights for exploration and mining of uranium in the Arlit region of Niger, which is the fifth largest supplier of uranium globally. China is already a big investor in Niger, with Chinese firms having bagged a series of exploration licences in the past in the African country.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/06/21/stories/2010062152700100.htm
 

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"Maitri" SR-SAM is still a French Proposal for JV

"Maitri" SRSAM (short range surface to air missile ) seems to be pet project of MBDA for joint development with DRDO and still talks are been held with Indian DRDO and Government of India regarding it , Maitri will incorporate design structure of VL-MICA and navigational input and other technological input from failed Trishul programme , its still not clear if joint development will start on this new missile , French company has already secured permissions from the French Government regarding Technology transfer and the joint development of such missile .

DRDO is still evaluating the French proposal and has been taking constant feed back from all three armed forces of India , since missiles requirements will be in thousands and joint venture will make it little expensive then a local development, Final decision is expected from government of India regarding joint development of this systems.

Maitri will have a range beyond 15km and BDL will be the prime contractor to produce and integrate this missiles , BDL is already manufactured more then 30 thousand variants of MILAN 1,2 Anti-tank missiles for India Army and has already signed contract for further orders of 4000 missiles of newer Milan 2T anti tank missile .

idrw.org has been told that DRDO is working on its own plans of developing a VL (Vertical launch ) version of under development ASTRA BVR (Beyond visual range missile) missile for all three armed forces .

http://idrw.org/?p=2065
 

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EADS DS supplies Consultancy Services to Indian Armed Forces

EADS Defence & Security (DS) will supply consultancy services to the Indian Armed Forces in developing the system architecture of its Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C) programme.

DS has been awarded yesterday a two-digit-million Euro contract by the Indian Defence Research Design Organisation (DRDO) to provide support in the development of system architecture with particular regard to certification and mission equipment optimisation.

"From our systems responsibility for the overall Military Management System of the A400M transport aircraft we have thorough experience in certification of aircraft according to civil and military rules," explains Bernd Wenzler, CEO of Defence Electronics, an integrated Business Unit of DS. "This, together with our broad technology base in sensors and data fusion makes us the ideal partner for DRDO."

With DRDO, Defence Electronics since 2006 maintains a successful cooperation in developing a Missile Approach Warning System for Indian helicopter and wide-body aircraft. Furthermore, the Business Unit has developed a data fusion system which is operated successfully in the NATO AWACS aircraft as well as Australia's and Turkey's similar Airborne Early Warning fleets. In the A400M programme, Defence Electronics is responsible for the integration of Military Systems into the A400, the scope ranges from communication handling and low-level flight management to self-protection.

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/16267/
 

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Mahindras aim big in defence



Mahindra & Mahindra (M&M) and UK's BAE Systems will soon start manufacturing the RG-31 — a mine-proof vehicle — in the country for the Indian Army and police forces operating in Maoist strongholds.
Sources in M&M, which has entered the defence automotive business, said the automobile major was also looking at producing the FH77 B05 Advanced Howitzer, already in use in the country.
BAE Systems has supplied 165 mine-proof vehicles to the Indian Army and another 600 to the US, UN and Canadian forces. The monocoque hull of the RG-31, made of welded armour steel, is supposed to protect occupants against anti-tank mines and has a modular interior layout. The vehicle can be configured as an armoured personnel carrier, ambulance and surveillance vehicle. The air-conditioned vehicle can carry up to 10 people.
Maoists have often targeted police vehicles with mines planted deep inside highways and jungle tracks, which normal minesweepers fail to detect. Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh, Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Orissa and Bengal have been impacted by Maoist attacks.
Though M&M officials have targeted the army as the principle buyer of the vehicle, the company will also chase possible orders from paramilitary forces as well as limited orders from state police forces, especially specialised anti-Maoist squads such as Andhra Pradesh's Greyhound.
"We are also looking at bringing in a battle tank for the army through our joint venture with BAE but bringing in restricted technology will be possible if we are able to offer them a 49 per cent stake in the venture," M&M sources said.
At present, FDI rules allow foreign investors a 26 per cent stake in Indian defence. The M&M-BAE venture is complying with the norm.
However, the commerce ministry has put forward a proposal to increase FDI in defence to 74 per cent, a move which domestic firms such as the Mahindras, L&T and the Tatas have opposed.
They maintain that a 49 per cent stake will suffice to attract top firms in defence business and join Indian partners.
M&M has entered the lucrative defence automotive sector with Defence Land Systems Ltd — the joint venture with BAE — and the manufacturing of bullet-proof and customised vehicles. Among others, it makes the Rakshak, a bullet-proof Scorpio, and Marksman, a customised war vehicle.
The joint venture is expected to make an initial investment of $21.25 million over three years. Defence Land Systems India will have a facility in Faridabad, just outside Delhi.

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http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Worlds_biggest_atom_smasher_gains_pace_CERN_999.html

World's biggest atom smasher gains pace: CERN

The world's biggest atom smasher is swiftly gaining pace as scientists seek to unravel the secrets of the universe, the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) said on Monday.

The Large Hadron Collider has been setting records for the intensity of proton collisions since scientists started firing beams of the sub-atomic particles at unprecedented energy levels on March 30, CERN spokesman James Gillies said.

"It's about CERN breaking its own records," he told AFP on Monday.

"We had one good run over the weekend when we were getting double the data sets that we had since the beginning," Gillies added.

"You'll keep on hearing this but we've got a long way to go."

The beams thrust around the 27-kilometre (16.8-mile) accelerator collide at nearly the speed of light, creating powerful but microscopic bursts of energy that mimic conditions close to the Big Bang that created the universe.

Scientists around the world are expected to take years to analyse the huge flow of data on a giant computer network, searching for evidence of a theorised missing link called the Higgs Boson, commonly called the "God Particle".

The experiment is still in the early stages of an initial 18- to 24-month run of billions of collisions.

Gillies said the "luminosity" of the beams -- a measure of their intensity and the frequency of collisions -- had been ramped up to 10 to the power 29, compared with 10 to the power 27 nearly three months ago.

Ten to the power 30 is scheduled for this week with a target of 10 to the power 34.

Scientists carefully examine each increase for safety and the reliability of the accelerator in a ring-shaped tunnel straddling the French-Swiss border near Geneva.

"Every time we increase the luminosity it comes with increased energy," said Gillies.

CERN hailed a new era for science when it began smashing atoms at energy levels of seven trillion (tera) electronvolts (TeV) on March 30.

It is aiming to trigger collisions at twice the energy, 14 TeV, equivalent to 99.99 percent of the speed of light, in the cryogenically-cooled machine after 2011.

At full power, the detectors in cathedral-sized underground chambers should capture some 600 million collisions every second among trillions of protons racing around the collider 11,245 times a second.
 
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Six escalation scenarios spiraling to world nuclear war

http://carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/alternatescenarios.html

SIX ESCALATION SCENARIOS SPIRALING TO WORLD NUCLEAR WAR

A world nuclear war is one that involves most or all nuclear powers releasing a large proportion of their nuclear weapons at targets in nuclear, and perhaps non-nuclear, states. Such a war could be initiated accidentally, aggressively or pre-emptively and could continue and spread through these means or by retaliation by a party attacked by nuclear weapons. While some speak of "limited nuclear war," it is likely that any nuclear war will quickly escalate and spiral out of control because of the "use them or loose them" strategy. If you don't use all your nuclear weapons you are likely to have them destroyed by the enemy's nuclear weapons.

Such a war could start through a reaction to terrorist attacks, or through the need to protect against overwhelming military opposition, or through the use of small battle field tactical nuclear weapons meant to destroy hardened targets. It might quickly move on to the use of strategic nuclear weapons delivered by short-range or inter-continental missile or long-range bomber. These could deliver high altitude bursts whose electromagnetic pulse knocks out electrical circuits for hundreds of square miles. Or they could deliver nuclear bombs to destroys nuclear and/or non-nuclear military facilities, nuclear power plants, important industrial sites and cities. Or it could skip all those steps and start through the accidental or reckless use of strategic weapons.

Below are seven scenarios by which world nuclear war could come about. While these are some of the major scenarios and combination of attacks and retaliations, they are hardly exhaustive. U.S., Russian and other nuclear nations' weapons strategizers deal with these scenarios every day but rarely let mere citizens in on their grizzly thinking. Citizens must end their denial and become aware of such scenarios.

GENERAL SCENARIOS

Accidental: Since the United States and Russia have "launch on warning" systems that send off rockets before it is confirmed a nuclear attack is underway, any tensions between them can lead to massive nuclear war within thirty minutes of a warning -- no matter how false the warning may be.

Aggressive: One or more nations decides to use weapons against nuclear or non-nuclear nations in order to promote an economic, political or military goal, as part of an ongoing war or as a first strike nuclear attack. (The state , of course, may claim it is a pre-emptive, retaliatory or even accidental attack.)

Pre-emptive: One or more nations believes (correctly or incorrectly) or claims to believe that another nuclear nation is about to use nuclear weapons against its nuclear, military, industrial or civilian targets and pre-emptively attacks that nation. May result from political or military "brinkmanship."

Retaliatory: Use of nuclear weapons in response to a nuclear attack -- or even a conventional, chemical or biological attack by a non-nuclear nation.

ASSUMPTIONS OF THESE SCENARIOS
There is a whole body of knowledge and assumptions that is taken into account when putting together scenarios like the below. My bottom line assumption is that any nuclear exchange has an excellent chance of resulting in a series of escalations that will spiral out of control, setting off a round of exchanges among various enemies under a "use it or lose it" philosophy, as well as among the treaty allies of the relevant nuclear powers and their allies. This continues until most of the planets' 20,000 odd nuclear weapons are exhausted. In making "limited nuclear war" calculations all nations should assume "whatever can go wrong, will go wrong." Unfortunately, too many strategizers assume they can conduct limited strikes and keep them limited.
Related assumptions include:
** Any nuclear attack on a primary Russian target like Moscow, St. Petersburg, or nuclear command headquarters, by any nation or group, known or unknown, could lead to a commander turning on "The Dead Hand" strategy and/or prompt one or more of Russia's semi-autonomous military field commanders to retaliate against U.S. and European nuclear targets. Attacks on secondary targets or nuclear detonations very close to Russian soil also might lead to some sort of nuclear escalation.
** Any nuclear attack on US and/or European sites by any nation or group, known or unknown, probably will result in massive US and/or European retaliation against the known or assumed perpetrators or their known or assumed allies.
** It is likely that the U.S., Russia, China, Israel, India and Pakistan will use some of their weapons to attack other nuclear and non-nuclear nations which might threaten them after they have been devastated by nuclear war.
** Any nuclear attack on Israel by terrorists, or Pakistan, Russia or China will result in Israel's surviving land, air and submarine carried or based missiles being used against Arab and Muslim capitals. A particularly devastating attack (including with chemical or biological weapons) might result in possibly in a full scale "Samson Option" attack on European and Russian targets. The latter of course would result in Russian retaliation against the United States, perhaps its punishment for not having done enough to protect Israel.
** Any nation's use of nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear nation will be only somewhat less inflammatory than using them against a nuclear nation, especially if that nation has many treaty allies. It will ratchet all nuclear nations alert systems and lead to unforeseeable consequences that could easily spiral to world nuclear war.

NOTE: COLORS OF LINES AND DESCRIPTIONS ARE COORDINATED
Aggressive Pre-Emptive Retaliatory Accidental

SCENARIO 1. RUSSIA OR U.S. MISTAKENLY INTERPRETS GLITCH DURING TIME OF TENSION AS NUCLEAR ATTACK, LEADING TO WORLD NUCLEAR WAR




During time of minor or major political tension, especially active U.S. bombings of other nations or any use of nuclear weapons, Russian commanders' faulty early warning system detects false evidence of a nuclear attack from the U.S. Russia launches a large proportion of its weapons at the U.S. and pre-emptively at U.S. European and Israeli allies, as well as China, India and Pakistan to cripple their nuclear capability. The U.S. and Europe retaliate at Russia and U.S. attacks China to destroy its nuclear stocks. Israel retaliates against Russia and initiates aggressive attacks against Arab and Muslim capitols. India and China may strike each other to destroy any remaining nuclear or other military capability. (While less likely the United States would experience such a glitch, if so, the U.S. would strike Russia and China, they would retaliate against the U.S. and Europe and probably attack other potentially hostile nuclear powers to knock out their capability.)

SCENARIO 2.
U.S. OR RUSSIA THREATEN OR ENGAGE IN MILITARY AGGRESSION AGAINST SMALLER NATION, STARTING ESCALATION TO WORLD NUCLEAR WAR



Russia and US engage in threats over further US aggression in the Middle East or Russia's refusal to withdraw troops from former Soviet Republic Georgia. Russia and/or the U.S. pre-emptively strike the others' nuclear targets, leading to further rounds of retaliatory exchanges. Russia strikes pre-emptively at U.S. European and Israeli allies, as well as China, India and Pakistan to cripple their nuclear capability. Europe retaliates at Russia and U.S. attacks China to destroy any remaining nuclear stocks. Israel retaliates against Russia and initiates revenge attacks against Arab and Muslim capitols. India and China may strike each other to destroy any remaining nuclear or other military capability.

SCENARIO 3.
ISRAEL ATTACKS IRAN'S NUCLEAR FACILITIES AND/OR SYRIA AND LEBANON WHICH RETALIATE WITH MASSIVE CONVENTIONAL OR WMD ROCKET ATTACKS, ISRAEL RETALIATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS, ESCALATING TO WORLD NUCLEAR WAR




Israel attacks Iran's nuclear facilities and/or Syria and Lebanon. These countries respond with massive rocket attacks using conventional bombs and even some chemical, biological or radiological weapons. Israel responds with nuclear strikes against these nations and Pakistan. Outraged Pakistan retaliates against Israel and pre-emptively attacks Israel's ally/Pakistan's enemy India, which retaliates. Israel initiates "Samson option" and attacks Arab and Muslim capitols, as well as "antisemitic" Europe and Russia. Russian regional commanders retaliate against Israel, its ally the U.S., and U.S. European allies and China, to destroy its nuclear capability. The U.S. retaliates against Russia and hits China's nuclear capability. China uses any remaining nuclear weapons against Russia, the U.S. and India. India retaliates against China.
 
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SCENARIO 4. INDIA-PAKISTAN NUCLEAR EXCHANGE ESCALATES TO WORLD NUCLEAR WAR



Hindu and Muslim rioting or conflicts in Kashmir escalate into preemptive nuclear exchanges between India and Pakistan. A rogue Indian general strikes China which massively retaliates. Russian communications knocked out by electromagnetic pulses hit Europe and China with limited number of missiles. U.S. retaliates against Russia and attacks China to destroy its nuclear stocks. Russia retaliates against the U.S. and hits U.S. ally Israel. Israel initiates revenge attacks against Arab and Muslim capitols.

SCENARIO 5. CHINA INVADES TAIWAN, STARTING ESCALATION TO WORLD NUCLEAR WAR




Taiwan declares independence. China begins Taiwan invasion, threatening to use nuclear weapons against U.S. cities. U.S. gives China an ultimatum to pull out which it ignores and U.S. uses nuclear weapons to destroy China's weapons. China retaliates against U.S. and nukes Taiwan. A few nervous or chauvinistic Russian regional missile commanders make a first strike against U.S., European and Israeli nuclear weapons sites. The U.S., Israel and Europe retaliate. Israel initiates revenge attacks against Arab and Muslim capitols. Pakistan, India and China exchange pre-emptive nuclear strikes.

SCENARIO 6.
UNKNOWN PARTIES USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON ISRAEL, RUSSIA OR THE
U.S. STARTING ESCALATION TO WORLD NUCLEAR WAR




Terrorists or some unknown nation explodes one or two nuclear weapons in Russia, Israel, or U.S., possibly delivered via surreptitious means. Russia and the U.S. blame each other escalating to mutual "retaliatory" attacks, including on Europe. If Russia attacks Israel, Israel immediately initiates revenge attacks against Arab and Muslim capitols, and possibly "anti-semitic" Europe and Russia. Russia and U.S. preemptively attack China, and India and Pakistan pre-emptively attack each other, to destroy nuclear and military capabilities.
 

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Honestly I feel only Scenario no. 3 & 6 looks possible. However be it 4 or 6, one of the party (most probably US) will initiate it with a deep pre-planned strategy in Prez's suitcase.
 
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Only Scenario 3 is some how possible..
My post edited. I meant for 3 and 6 only. Damn these keyboard mistakes! :happy_2: I hope no Nuke operator does such any keyboard mistake by mistake... :emot15:
 

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Honestly I feel only Scenario no. 3 & 6 looks possible. However be it 4 or 6, one of the party (most probably US) will initiate it with a deep pre-planned strategy in Prez's suitcase.
agree,
more subtle than saying false fla. op
 
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India's Nuclear Missile Men FULL of Confidence

video on Shiv Aroors YouTube channel - youtube.com/watch?v=b0UFF3tfCho

From 1 minute onwards there is a interview with 2 gents from DRDO. Luv what they say about Pakistan & China :happy_2:

Any1 got any ideas if Agni 3 is inducted or not???
 

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In BMD we may be ahead of China..With increasing cooperation between INDIA-ISRAEL in RADAR tech. we will continue to be on right path and if govt. keeps supporting our scientists then we will be safe..
 

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However, local indigenous version of Stinger missiles fielded by the Pakistani Army was used in the Kargil War and shot down an Indian Air Force Mi-8 Helicopter and a MiG-21 aircraft, as well as damaging a Canberra reconnaissance aircraft. Pakistan has begun phasing out its inventory of the original American made models completely. The Pakistan indigenous Stinger missile is said to contain an improved IR seeker to better follow its intended target
is it true? i think noaircraft were shot down.
 

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