Mirage and Jag upgrades already on?

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  1. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Dont know where this belongs but it is important enough to be discussed.

    I came across this link and looks like the Mirage and Jag upgrades have already started and the first mirage-100 is already ready after upgrade.

    Aero India 2011 & HAL (part 3 of 3) - www.acig.org


    Jags on DARIN-3 upgrade, notice the engine has been removed. Honeywell 125IN has been bought??

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    Mirage 2000(Notice the new paneling and engine overhaul.)

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  3. pankaj nema

    pankaj nema Senior Member Senior Member

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    Jaguar Upgrades are nearly over

    Now only the NEW engine has to be decided It will be mostly Honey well engine

    Mirage upgrades have just begun Two Planes have recently left for France

    The remaining 49 planes will be upgraded here

    so the whole work will take 10 years
     
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    pankaj nema Senior Member Senior Member

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    The Mirage photos are that of Overhauling

    It is not that upgradation picture
     
  5. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Well the report on the Honeywell engine ends with some what an negative note.

    The jags definitely will do better with the new engine though. Adour is a fighter engine where as the F-125IN is an business jet engine, the throttle seems lagging according to some sources.




    The lengthy Jaguars re-engining issue with Rolls Royce’ Adour Mk821 against the Honeywell F125IN was briefly mentioned at HAL as ‘pending’. In 2009 the two bidders were given until the end of February to respond to a INR 3,000 crore (EUR 489 mill.)-tender to deliver 200 engines (including 40 spare) for at least the 68 D-3 Jaguars. But then it was learnt at AERO-INDIA that RR now chose not to respond to the tender, it was pointed out to ACIG because obviously the IAF tends toward new engines, rather than ‘uprated’ powerplants. On the ‘Shamsher’ it operates some Rolls Royce/Turbomeca Mk804E and the majority the more powerful 37.37kN RT172-58 Adour Mk 811, both manufactured under license by HAL.



    At the parallell AERO-INDIA-Seminar, a DRDO-official that asked not to be named, delivered his balance to ACIG. He said the American engine has superior tolerance to debris-damage and bird-strikes [than the Adour Mk821]. It is also 266 kg lighter, offering between 17 and 40 % higher thrust, thereby offering the Jaguar a 1,5-tonne payload increase. But the Mk821 might be the safer choice, as the F125 is derived from the TFE731 which originally was designed for business jets. When the ROCAF did install F125s on their ‘Ching-Kuo’-fighters, the results were reportedly poorer than expected. The powerplants were not responding properly to the rapid throttle-settings demanded by a combat aircraft.
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    The Mirage upgrade is scheduled to be finished in 40months not 10 years. That is less than 3years as some sources claim.

    Nevertheless, the upgrade programme should include an outlay to augment HAL's capabilities to retrofit 47 ‘Vajras’ in Bangalore, after four aircraft to be upgraded in France within 40 months of development-phase after the deal will be signed.





    Also notice that one bit where i underlined!

    Apart from servicing and upgrading the 51 remaining Indian Airforce’s (IAF) Mirage 2000H/THs, HAL’s overhaul-division was described to ACIG the only installation outside France authorized by Dassault Aviation, to undertake major inspection on and materiel supply to Mirage 2000 fighters of global customers. According to personnel in the ‘Mirage’-shop at Bengaluru in early Feburary, Mirage-2000 operators like Peru, Egypt or Qatar and UAE have begun various level co-operations with HAL, since Dassault issued that licence back in March 1998.


    Guess we may be getting some business after all?
     
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    SPIEZ Senior Member Senior Member

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    Good find, post more technical information.
     
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    May be some good new here : U.S., India to sign $8 bln defence deals: envoy | Reuters
     

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