Military of Finland

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    Military of Finland

    This thread is meant for posting articles and pictures about the Finnish military, weapons used by the Finnish military, and related discussion.

    This thread will serve as a dedicated thread for this purpose. There are a lot of informative posts about Finnish military by our member @jouni in various threads. While they will remain where they are, because it is going to be a tedious task to relocate them here, I would request @jouni to use this thread when posting future posts about the Finnish military. Others are also welcome to post in this thread.
     
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    Some famous Finnish guns









     
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    Some modern ones



     
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    @jouni,

    Please post a video of the Ski troops.

    Also, give some details of recruitment and training.
     
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    Finland got military too.... Wow
     
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    80% of Finnish men do military service, 20% civil service. Also women can do voluntary service.








    Winter combat
     
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    @jouni were Fins vikings?
     
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    Good question. There were some Finns among Vikings, most of them were from southern scandinavia. I believe Finnish Kingdom and Vikings merged at one point. Evidence are sketchy and historians still argue some details.
    http://pakana.150m.com/HISTORY.HTM
     
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    http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-1425876789957.html

    Finnish special forces requirements



    Last year, the Armed Forces Special Forces course participants journeyed 80 miles to two days and were assessed by psychologists.
    The highly trained special forces has increased the importance of the Ukrainian war broke out, when Russia used the special forces in the Crimea so-called hybrid war, Helsingin Sanomat reported on the weekend.

    In this context, also arose the Armed Forces Special Forces course through which the armed forces recruiting special forces soldiers recruited.

    The Armed Forces Special Forces course is held once a year, and 10 to 15 students chosen for the course of about a hundred aspirant from the crowd. Most of them have completed their military service as paratroopers or taistelusukeltajana, although it is not an actual entrance requirement.

    Applicants are required to the fact that he has completed 347 days of sustainable military service and are aged less than 25 years old. In exceptional cases, the course can also be selected from 25 to 30-year-old candidate.

    - The starting point is defined just because of that, if the applicant is selected for us, he has a chance to up to 15 years of service. Physics begins to go over the 35 years and in good physical performance is a prerequisite for Special Jaegers, says the Utti Jaeger Regiment commander, Colonel Petri Mattila.

    The same experiment as the paratroopers

    Entrance examination in a special series of the course is in two parts.

    The first pääsykoeosio was held this year in January and the entrance exam is the same as for those who wish to complete his military service paratroopers.

    In practice this means that in order to get a perfect score on physical tests, the applicant must be able to do 48 sit-ups per minute and jump in a standing long jump of 2.4 meters.

    Entrance exams is also a backpack running inside the hall, which is run on ten kilos piggyback five kilometers. For the last three kilometer takes time and the maximum score is, if running three miles to 12 minutes.

    Psychologists involved

    If the applicant passes the first part, he's special forces to the custom, the entrance exam to the second part. The second section of about 50-60 applicants will be selected.

    Colonel Mattila says that the entrance examinations to the second partition will last for four days and this year it will be held in March-April.

    Applicants will begin a four-day riff on a psychological test which was developed specifically for the special force for the course. Replies are sent to the Armed Forces Research Institute psychologists analyzed.

    80 kilometers in two days

    Then, in front of at least two-day journey to march on foot or on skis, snow, depending on the situation. This two-day course candidates will go through a variety of control points, in order to test how clearly the applicants are able to operate under physical exertion and minimizing Sleep plays. These crosses seekers antics following except the Armed Forces personnel, including psychologists.

    - Last year, the candidates went on foot, about 80 km two-day period. All shared a trip similar initial equipment package, which weighs about 30 pounds. Executable controls are kind of basic military training, related to the emergency room and progression of terrain.

    - The controls are carried out in groups of 8-12, and performance is assessed on the basis of how well candidates work group and what role they take a group. In particular, the Special Forces man is of material importance and quality over quantity; there's a group interests must be their own interests.

    In the end, the candidates selected 10 to 15 12-month special set of course. Selected pass the course in the contract soldiers, that is, their average salary without supplements is during the course of about 1 600 euros per month.

    Not a single woman

    This year, applicants will hear the end of April, was selected them in the course or not. Mattila emphasizes that all applicants are in good physical and mental condition, and the choice always on physically far the applicant.

    - The most important thing is to choose from among us the most qualified candidates. The applicant's mental balance is a very significant role.

    Special Forces physical requirements of the course, however, says it is something that no woman has ever passed the entrance exams. Airborne Ranger training has so far completed only one woman, and it took place in the mid-1990s.

    - We have had some discussion about this, especially since the crisis management would benefit from if we had the female Special Jaegers. In those areas, however, are encountered in the female population.

    - In Sweden, the issue is solved so that the special forces tried to women who have been physical tests somewhat easier. We have not done anything yet decisions, but such is indeed discussed.

    The above video Finnish Special Forces have been published HSTV in 7.3

     
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    A nice video that gives an interesting overview of Finland's military.

    What I found real fascinating is the vast spaces that you have in your country where there is no restrictions that we have for live firing. It is a military man's dream area.

    A very educative thread.
     
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    We have the Western Europe´s largest military training ground 1100m2. It is pretty close to where I live. I was last summer in a meeting where it was discussed military´s wishes to expand the area. Nature lovers were against the expansion and asked: "why the rest of Europe does not need these large areas, why we have these?", the Colonel answered that Finland has the biggest artillery in Europe and the rest "have just few barrels", then I thought his remarks were humorous, but now I appreciate those.
     
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    Thanks very interesting.
    It will equipp all Finnish soldiers or just special forces ?
     
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    To all. It is modular, I guess not all get every modul, but the system comes to all by 2020
     
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    Finnish artillery developed the methods used by modern artillery today. This accumulated in battles at summer 1944 when Finnish army stopped Red Army strategic offense towards Finland.

    Finnish infantry division had a artillery regiment.Regiment had 3 battalions and battalion had 3 batteries.Battery had 4 guns,battalion 12 guns and regiment 36 guns.Guns were mostly light(75mm-105mm).10 divisions had extra heavy battalion.Corps had1-2 heavy batallions and 1-2 fortification artillery batallions(older gun types).High command had some artillery units in reserve.So Finland had 16 artillery regiments,15 light artillery battalions,2 indepent light battery,28 heavy artillery battalions,7 mot. heavy battalions and some extra heavy batteries(this is summary of Finnish artillery units and not all units were available at same time coz old units where disbanned and new raised).Artillery regiment had:1813 men,36 gun,636 horses,40 motor vehicles and 615 bicycles.1.7.41 Finland had 1788 guns and 15.9.44 2492 guns(79 differend models).
    Main problem with Finnish artillery in winter war was chronical lack of ammunition,in continution war more ammunition was available.But still guns were old(mostly before ww1,guns developed 1910-20 were considered almost modern!).Even French guns modell 1877 were used to 1943!.Because of old guns ranges were only to 10km and so many models caused problems with suply of ammunition.In summer 44 during heavy fightings Finnish artillery breaked many Russian attacks.The finest hour of Finnish artillery was 4.6 44 during Tali-Ihantala battle when 21 Finnish artillery battalions (252 guns) fired barrage against same target area where Soviet tanks and infantry were starting a attack.Target area (200x300m) was hit during 1 minute 950 light and 720 heavy shells.So in theory one shell hits in every 6x6m.In one minute 200x300m target area received 9000kg explosives and 31000kg shell splinters.After that barrage there is no life in that area and not surpispringly Soviets did not attacked after that.That shooting method was developed by Finnish artillery general Nenonen and with that one artillery spotter could call artillery fire to one spot from all guns with range and shiff fire to next target in 3-5 minutes.Propably Finnish artillery was only in ww2 who could to that.

    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=8817


    Vilho Petter Nenonen (6 March 1883, Kuopio - 17 February 1960) was a Finnish general.

    He received his military education in the Hamina Cadet School 1896-1901, in the Mihailov Artillery School in St Petersburg 1901-1903, and in St Petersburg Artillery Academy 1906-1909. He served in the Russian army during World War I. When the Finnish Civil War began he moved to Finland and was given the job of creating the artillery of general Mannerheim's White Army. After the war Nenonen also served as the Minister of Defence between 1923 and 1924. During the Continuation War he was a part of Mannerheim's inner circle. He was promoted to the rank of General of the artillery in 1941.

    Nenonen developed the Finnish Army's artillery and tactics that proved decisive in the defensive victory in the Battle of Tali-Ihantala. The trajectory calculation formulas he developed are still in use today by all modern artillery.

    Nenonen received the Mannerheim Cross in 1945.

    His medals and personal history is on display in The Artillery Museum of Finland.

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    Nenonen on the left




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    Improved Orbiter 2 UAV in Finnish colors. Now they need to buy some larger drones to replace those old Ruag Rangers.

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    ORBITER 2B PASSES COLD WEATHER TEST IN FINLAND | Article - Mon 02 Feb 2015 04:47:28 PM UTC | airsoc.com.
     
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    Not just another arms deal:
    The security policy implications of the United States selling advanced missiles to Finland

    Briefing Paper - Not just another arms deal: The security policy implications of the United States selling advanced missiles to Finland - Ulkopoliittinen instituutti

    The strengthening bilateral relationship with the
    United States has improved Finland’s defence. A
    desire to deepen that bilateral relationship suggests
    that Finland knows that even NATO membership
    by itself would not be sufficient for Finnish defence
    needs; rather, Finland needs a web of multilateral,
    multinational and bilateral relationships for its
    security. It also suggests that clear-eyed realism
    drives Finnish security policy thinking: that Finland
    knows that it is still the United States that serves as
    the European bulwark (and provider of guarantees)
    against potential external aggression; and, that
    NATO is a necessary but not sufficient component
    for broader European defence, mainly because most
    European states have ignored their own defence for
    too long.
     
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    You have a very credible military.

    Small but highly mobile and quick to react to any threat that comes across your country.

    No wonder you have the glory of fighting and resisting a powerful nation like USSR and holding them back.

    Very impressive

    However, we in Asia really don't understand how come you Nordic countries despite having good military tech never participate seriously in export of weapons particularly to Asian countries.

    The only Nordic nation that we see doing business in defence aggressively is Sweden. Surely you, Denmark and Norway also have good weapons technology like the Patria armoured vehicle or the Valmet RK76 assault rifle.
     
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    We have very strict rules about selling arms to countries active in wars or other conflicts. I guess India has been labeled as one. I hope your region comes peaceful and you can buy ourPATRIA NEMOs AMVs, SAKOs, VALMETSs and our new THOR modular helmet system. You know protection layer modules can be designed to look like turban also!
     

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